CDC: Accidental car deaths 2013...35,369. Accidental gun deaths 2013...505.

[2aguy]

Here are my updated stats on the defensive use of guns...and the breakdown....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck...2.5 million

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[Brain357]

And Americans are 7,000 times more likely to drive, so your figures are out the window. Run along, silly boy.

That pretty much says it all. It is childish and silly to compare the two. Based on hours of use cars are far safer.

 

[Brain357]

And they don't exclude the LEO, they can't. Every time a copy draws his or gun, hopefully, it is in self defense.

Jake....on the basis of your posts...I took the 16 studies cited by Kleck and with his took out all the studies that included military and police defensive gun use.....and the average is now 2 million times a year........that guns are used by non millitary, non police to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives....

You can run the numbers yourself...don't forget to add in Kleck's 2.5 million......and that isn't all the studies I usually list, only the ones that I can confirm did not use military or police.....


GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

And crime has dropped like 30% from those studies. And they have all been debunked.

 

[rightwinger]

Yea.....Gun laws don't work

Sadly for you there are 50 states....and I wouldn't trust an anti gun source.....and you can take New York off of their...they just stopped stop and frisk.....so their gun murder rates will go up.....

And criminals in all of these states still get guns.....as per Illinois......in particular....Chicago....strictest gun laws in the state....worst murder rate......and tiny, tiny states....Minnesota...not in top 10 for gun laws and low gun murder rate...kind of ruins it for you....dittos Iowa..and Maine......

New York
Newark
Camden
Boston
LA
Oakland

All cities gun nuts celebrate for their murder rate, but their states still have the lowest murder rates in the country. Gun control works.....Seven of the states with the lowest murder rates have it

 

[Brain357]

Here are my updated stats on the defensive use of guns...and the breakdown....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck...2.5 million

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Looks like the majority of your studies say it's under 2 million. Do you not include the most accurate ncvs survey of 108k?

 

[Vandalshandle]

I never did see a link to the 500+ accidental gun deaths. My guess is that the military accidently kill that many of themselves and others, without counting the civilian population.

did you follow my links..to the table...and look near the bottom...it is right there....

No, I already spent 15 minutes looking for your stats, including searching for "accidental firearm deaths" at the CDC site, and got nothing. Feel free to post a link to your figures, however. Just don't expect anyone to do your research and read through hundreds of pages in order to find your stats.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I think that 2aguy may have presented a good argument as to why gun owners should shoot murdering automobile drivers....

 

[rightwinger]

32,000 gun deaths.....on purpose
32,000 car deaths.....in accidents

Which is 2aguy appalled at?

 

[Wry Catcher]

I love posting this....it highlights how foolish the gun grabbers are....

too many average Americans who don't follow the issue think gun accidents are at an all time high...when in fact they are going down, not up........

CDC Report 35 369 Vehicle Accident Deaths 505 Gun Accident Deaths - Breitbart

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

That is not a typo—35,369 versus 505. Americans are 70 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than by the accidental discharge of a firearm.

Yet Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and Everytown for Gun Safety have not uttered a peep about Ford, Dodge, or Toyota control. They are utterly consumed with a new gun control push framed around accidental firearm deaths.

Again—35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 accidental deaths from firearms. Just reading that ratio creates a sinking feeling in your stomach that perhaps the pursuit of gun control is totally unfounded.

So...once you look at murders by hands and feet....more than by long guns in general and way more than AR-15s in particular...you see that the anti-gun nuts are not interested in people who are killed...they are interested in their fear of guns.....and that is what motivates them, not the death of innocents...their time could be better spent preventing car accidents, but because they have a phobia about guns...they want to deny all Americans their birth right......the right to self defense.....

There are more car steering wheels in the hands of people every day of the year, than guns in the hands of people in a year - by the millions.

And industry is working on making cars safer, any effort to make guns safer is met with an outcry, a giant NO, lead by the terrorist organization, the NRA.

 

[rightwinger]

I love posting this....it highlights how foolish the gun grabbers are....

too many average Americans who don't follow the issue think gun accidents are at an all time high...when in fact they are going down, not up........

CDC Report 35 369 Vehicle Accident Deaths 505 Gun Accident Deaths - Breitbart

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

That is not a typo—35,369 versus 505. Americans are 70 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than by the accidental discharge of a firearm.

Yet Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and Everytown for Gun Safety have not uttered a peep about Ford, Dodge, or Toyota control. They are utterly consumed with a new gun control push framed around accidental firearm deaths.

Again—35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 accidental deaths from firearms. Just reading that ratio creates a sinking feeling in your stomach that perhaps the pursuit of gun control is totally unfounded.

So...once you look at murders by hands and feet....more than by long guns in general and way more than AR-15s in particular...you see that the anti-gun nuts are not interested in people who are killed...they are interested in their fear of guns.....and that is what motivates them, not the death of innocents...their time could be better spent preventing car accidents, but because they have a phobia about guns...they want to deny all Americans their birth right......the right to self defense.....

There are more car steering wheels in the hands of people every day of the year, than guns in the hands of people in a year - by the millions.

And industry is working on making cars safer, any effort to make guns safer is met with an outcry, a giant NO, lead by the terrorist organization, the NRA.

Cars have

Safety requirements
Registration
Licensed and trained drivers
Insurance

Time to do the same with guns

 

[Old Rocks]

And Americans are 7,000 times more likely to drive, so your figures are out the window. Run along, silly boy.

Doesn't matter how much more they drive.....pile up the bodies....cars....35,369 guns 505....

You gun grabbers never say....criminals are more likely to murder innocent people so focus on them....no...you say grab all guns...make it more difficult for normal law abiding people to own guns even though they aren't the ones killing people.....

it isn't about criminals, it isn't about gun deaths....you guys have an irrational fear of guns....this post demonstrates that....

your energy would be put to better use stopping accidental auto deaths...you would save more lives...but no.....

You just want to get rid of guns...

And you are a fucking liar.

FastStats - Injuries

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

• Number of deaths: 33,804
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7

All firearm deaths

• Number of deaths: 33,636
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg Business

While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.

 

[2aguy]

And Americans are 7,000 times more likely to drive, so your figures are out the window. Run along, silly boy.

Doesn't matter how much more they drive.....pile up the bodies....cars....35,369 guns 505....

You gun grabbers never say....criminals are more likely to murder innocent people so focus on them....no...you say grab all guns...make it more difficult for normal law abiding people to own guns even though they aren't the ones killing people.....

it isn't about criminals, it isn't about gun deaths....you guys have an irrational fear of guns....this post demonstrates that....

your energy would be put to better use stopping accidental auto deaths...you would save more lives...but no.....

You just want to get rid of guns...

And you are a fucking liar.

FastStats - Injuries

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

• Number of deaths: 33,804
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7

All firearm deaths

• Number of deaths: 33,636
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg Business

While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.

Not a liar fuck head....the stats are the stats.....Bloomberg is lying he is a gun grabber.....

And fuck head..suicides don't count...Japan and South Korea,have absolute gun control and their people commit suicide at 2 times our rate...


But gun grabbers lie....they lie in order to beef up the bodies they can exploit to go after guns so they have to use suicides to beef up their numbers....

Since accidental gun deaths are going down...only 505 in 2013 and gun murders are going down even as more Americans than ever are buying and carrying guns...only 8,454 gun murders in 2013.... The gun grabbers have to lie....otherwise reality doesn't help their agenda...

 

[2aguy]

2agy,

This comes from your own CDC link, Einstein:


Total gun deaths 38,317. Total automobile related deaths 43,536

onder.cdc.gov/wonder/prevguid/m0023655/m0023655.asp

Source: Mortality data tapes from CDC's National Center for Health Statistics for number of
deaths; U.S. Bureau of the Census for annual population estimates.
================================================================================================

well Hawking.....total gun deaths include suicide dipshit...and suicides don't count.....since Japan and South Korea, and a number of other countries have 2 times more suicides than we do...so guns aren't the fucking problem.........they jump in front of trains, off buildings and inhale poisons.......moron.....

 

[2aguy]

32,000 killed in cars...."by accident"
32,000 killed by guns..."on purpose"

Which are gun nuts outraged over?

Suicides don't count...they could jump in front of trains....or suck in tail pipe fumes....

 

[2aguy]

And they don't exclude the LEO, they can't. Every time a copy draws his or gun, hopefully, it is in self defense.

Jake....on the basis of your posts...I took the 16 studies cited by Kleck and with his took out all the studies that included military and police defensive gun use.....and the average is now 2 million times a year........that guns are used by non millitary, non police to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives....

You can run the numbers yourself...don't forget to add in Kleck's 2.5 million......and that isn't all the studies I usually list, only the ones that I can confirm did not use military or police.....


GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

And crime has dropped like 30% from those studies. And they have all been debunked.

Again...saying they are debunked because you don't agree with them is not debunking them....and since they have stood the test of time and criticism by actual researchers and not anti gun agenda researchers they still stand.....

 

[2aguy]

Yea.....Gun laws don't work

Sadly for you there are 50 states....and I wouldn't trust an anti gun source.....and you can take New York off of their...they just stopped stop and frisk.....so their gun murder rates will go up.....

And criminals in all of these states still get guns.....as per Illinois......in particular....Chicago....strictest gun laws in the state....worst murder rate......and tiny, tiny states....Minnesota...not in top 10 for gun laws and low gun murder rate...kind of ruins it for you....dittos Iowa..and Maine......

New York
Newark
Camden
Boston
LA
Oakland

All cities gun nuts celebrate for their murder rate, but their states still have the lowest murder rates in the country. Gun control works.....Seven of the states with the lowest murder rates have it

And they are all in states with massive gun control.....proving that your gun control schemes do not work...when criminals in these cities want guns, they get guns....only the law abiding people who won't abuse the guns in the first place can't get guns....

 

[2aguy]

I love posting this....it highlights how foolish the gun grabbers are....

too many average Americans who don't follow the issue think gun accidents are at an all time high...when in fact they are going down, not up........

CDC Report 35 369 Vehicle Accident Deaths 505 Gun Accident Deaths - Breitbart

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

That is not a typo—35,369 versus 505. Americans are 70 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than by the accidental discharge of a firearm.

Yet Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and Everytown for Gun Safety have not uttered a peep about Ford, Dodge, or Toyota control. They are utterly consumed with a new gun control push framed around accidental firearm deaths.

Again—35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 accidental deaths from firearms. Just reading that ratio creates a sinking feeling in your stomach that perhaps the pursuit of gun control is totally unfounded.

So...once you look at murders by hands and feet....more than by long guns in general and way more than AR-15s in particular...you see that the anti-gun nuts are not interested in people who are killed...they are interested in their fear of guns.....and that is what motivates them, not the death of innocents...their time could be better spent preventing car accidents, but because they have a phobia about guns...they want to deny all Americans their birth right......the right to self defense.....

There are more car steering wheels in the hands of people every day of the year, than guns in the hands of people in a year - by the millions.

And industry is working on making cars safer, any effort to make guns safer is met with an outcry, a giant NO, lead by the terrorist organization, the NRA.

Gun technology is constantly trying to improve on the design of guns twit.....if fact drop safety features, and other advances have made guns safer than at any time in history....

And then assholes like you come along and fight gun safety education in grade schools.....and 60-70 kids a year die because you want them to...so you can use their dead bodies to push for gun control...instead of teaching them how to get away from guns and stay alive........

 

[2aguy]

I love posting this....it highlights how foolish the gun grabbers are....

too many average Americans who don't follow the issue think gun accidents are at an all time high...when in fact they are going down, not up........

CDC Report 35 369 Vehicle Accident Deaths 505 Gun Accident Deaths - Breitbart

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

That is not a typo—35,369 versus 505. Americans are 70 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than by the accidental discharge of a firearm.

Yet Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and Everytown for Gun Safety have not uttered a peep about Ford, Dodge, or Toyota control. They are utterly consumed with a new gun control push framed around accidental firearm deaths.

Again—35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 accidental deaths from firearms. Just reading that ratio creates a sinking feeling in your stomach that perhaps the pursuit of gun control is totally unfounded.

So...once you look at murders by hands and feet....more than by long guns in general and way more than AR-15s in particular...you see that the anti-gun nuts are not interested in people who are killed...they are interested in their fear of guns.....and that is what motivates them, not the death of innocents...their time could be better spent preventing car accidents, but because they have a phobia about guns...they want to deny all Americans their birth right......the right to self defense.....

There are more car steering wheels in the hands of people every day of the year, than guns in the hands of people in a year - by the millions.

And industry is working on making cars safer, any effort to make guns safer is met with an outcry, a giant NO, lead by the terrorist organization, the NRA.

Cars have

Safety requirements
Registration
Licensed and trained drivers
Insurance

Time to do the same with guns

Ownership of guns is the same level of Right as voting....and poll taxes and literacy tests were just attempts to deny people the right to vote....all of the above are the same thing for the 2nd Amendment....since only 505 people out of 320 million people died from accidental gun deaths there is no rational reason for added crap....other than to make assholes like you feel better, and to add expense to punish people who want to own guns for self defense, competition and hunting......

All of the above are poll taxes and literacy tests for a Right...not a priveledge......

 

[2aguy]

I love posting this....it highlights how foolish the gun grabbers are....

too many average Americans who don't follow the issue think gun accidents are at an all time high...when in fact they are going down, not up........

CDC Report 35 369 Vehicle Accident Deaths 505 Gun Accident Deaths - Breitbart

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

That is not a typo—35,369 versus 505. Americans are 70 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than by the accidental discharge of a firearm.

Yet Michael Bloomberg, Moms Demand Action, and Everytown for Gun Safety have not uttered a peep about Ford, Dodge, or Toyota control. They are utterly consumed with a new gun control push framed around accidental firearm deaths.

Again—35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 accidental deaths from firearms. Just reading that ratio creates a sinking feeling in your stomach that perhaps the pursuit of gun control is totally unfounded.

So...once you look at murders by hands and feet....more than by long guns in general and way more than AR-15s in particular...you see that the anti-gun nuts are not interested in people who are killed...they are interested in their fear of guns.....and that is what motivates them, not the death of innocents...their time could be better spent preventing car accidents, but because they have a phobia about guns...they want to deny all Americans their birth right......the right to self defense.....

There are more car steering wheels in the hands of people every day of the year, than guns in the hands of people in a year - by the millions.

And industry is working on making cars safer, any effort to make guns safer is met with an outcry, a giant NO, lead by the terrorist organization, the NRA.

And in 2013.....35,369 deaths in car accidents.... gun accidental deaths 505.....

 

[2aguy]

And Americans are 7,000 times more likely to drive, so your figures are out the window. Run along, silly boy.

Doesn't matter how much more they drive.....pile up the bodies....cars....35,369 guns 505....

You gun grabbers never say....criminals are more likely to murder innocent people so focus on them....no...you say grab all guns...make it more difficult for normal law abiding people to own guns even though they aren't the ones killing people.....

it isn't about criminals, it isn't about gun deaths....you guys have an irrational fear of guns....this post demonstrates that....

your energy would be put to better use stopping accidental auto deaths...you would save more lives...but no.....

You just want to get rid of guns...

And you are a fucking liar.

FastStats - Injuries

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

• Number of deaths: 33,804
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7

All firearm deaths

• Number of deaths: 33,636
• Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg Business

While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.

Shit for brains...try this link...moron...

Try this...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Look for this...

Table 10. Number of deaths from 113 selected causes, Enterocolitis due to Clostridium difficile, drug-induced causes, alcohol-induced causes, and injury by firearms, by age: United States, 2013 [The asterisks (*) preceding the cause-of-death codes indicate that they are not part of the International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10); see Technical Notes]

Look for this under table 10...you have to scroll down several pages to get past the diseases....you have to scroll down 4 pages.......of course since the government did this there are no actual page numbers you can use to find it.....

Accidents (unintentional injuries) (V01-X59,Y85-Y86)

Transport accidents (V01-V99,Y85)
Motor vehicle accidents (V02-V04,V09.0,V09.2,

V12-V14,V19.0-V19.2,V19.4-V19.6,V20-V79, V80.3-V80.5,V81.0-V81.1,V82.0-V82.1,V83- V86,V87.0-V87.8,V88.0-V88.8,V89.0,V89.2)

Other land transport accidents
(V01,V05-V06, V09.1,V09.3-V09.9,V10-V11,V15-V18,V19.3, V19.8-V19.9,V80.0-V80.2,V80.6-V80.9,V81.2- V81.9,V82.2-V82.9,V87.9,V88.9,V89.1,V89.3, V89.9)

And when you look to the right of Transport Accidents....shit for brains....you find....35,369...moron....