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We're trying to explain to you that the right wing corporations have purchased all of the major media and they are brainwashed you by controlling the message.
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Yeah, this is a problem, and an underestimated problem at that. Corporatism has so badly bastardized capitalism that it has opened the door nice and wide for anti-capitalists to scream "See? Capitalism doesn't work!", as if this were capitalism. Corporatism has made capitalism terribly vulnerable, and we're at a tipping point.
And as far as editec's comment above about how both parties are involved, I couldn't agree more. I'd think the GOP has more to worry about here, since they're the party that (1) is more identified with corporations and (2) is more likely to be viewed as their apologists.
Those who are against REAL capitalism are licking their chops right now, guaranteed.
Yet another self-inflicted wound.
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Well this is what happens when we allow our government to get involved in our economy..
Corporatism or corporate fascism wouldn't exist under a true Austrian School model...
Today it seems politicians just handout favors to the highest bidder (campaign funds/votes).. Thats why we had bailouts and programs like Cash For Clunkers - or even Obama playing grab-ass with GE while he demanded certain lightbulbs be banned.
Government needs to stay the fuck out of our economy...
Quite frankly I believe those in power who hate capitalism are doing everything in their power to destroy the model while they gain from it in the process.
The Cloward-Piven strategy is very much real....
The notion that everyone in office today is some benevolent capitalist is loonacy..
So, wouldn't public financing cure most of that? If our representitives aren't going hat-in-hand to big donors, they won't have as many expensive promises to keep, saving us money in the long run.
You can have capitalism or some form of democracy... you can't have both - democracy is not possible within free market capitalism and what you're calling for is unfettered capitalism.
What we need is to get all private money OUT of government.
Right to work free market capitalism means the middle class gets poorer and the rich get richer.
socialism means that the people are equally miserable and poor --except of course , Communist Party commissars.
You be running for commissar?
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Most Americans are too fucking dumb to realize they dont have capitalism. They have corporatism and judging by this line right here, you like corporatism too. So, who gives a shit how far it goes. Might as well just install a complete command economy, since that is where this heads and then it implodes on itself.All Americans love capitalism. But Liberals love regulated capitalism. We like labor laws. We like unions. That means the workers get a seat at the table.
Right to work free market capitalism means the middle class gets poorer and the rich get richer.
socialism means that the people are equally miserable and poor --except of course , Communist Party commissars.
You be running for commissar?
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Well I don't agree with either of those things. America is a blend of socialism and capitalism. Going socialist would be too extreme.
You can have capitalism or some form of democracy... you can't have both - democracy is not possible within free market capitalism and what you're calling for is unfettered capitalism.
Democracy can't exist without a free market. Without economic freedom, democracy rapidly devolves to corporatism. That's the entire point of this thread. "Fettered" capitalism is what leads to tyranny. A government that controls our economy controls us completely.
What we need is to get all private money OUT of government.
Agreed. But you can't have it both ways, if you want money out of government you have to keep government out of our money.
socialism means that the people are equally miserable and poor --except of course , Communist Party commissars.
You be running for commissar?
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Well I don't agree with either of those things. America is a blend of socialism and capitalism. Going socialist would be too extreme.
Well, you are silly and a bobo (Spanish for fool).
Fascism is merely an INTERIM STEP towards socialism ...read the Communist Manisfesto
"The other gem in chapter two immediately follows the observation that the proletariat must first seize control of "political supremacy". Once that is accomplished, well, Marx and Engels say it best: "The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state "
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Most Americans are too fucking dumb to realize they dont have capitalism. They have corporatism and judging by this line right here, you like corporatism too. So, who gives a shit how far it goes. Might as well just install a complete command economy, since that is where this heads and then it implodes on itself.All Americans love capitalism. But Liberals love regulated capitalism. We like labor laws. We like unions. That means the workers get a seat at the table.
Like I said, this a bit advanced.
Social programs are fine if they are optional. Once you start MANDATING that everyone participate, that's when the trouble begins. Much like the ss system you think so highly of that is bankrupt.
Most Americans are too fucking dumb to realize they dont have capitalism. They have corporatism and judging by this line right here, you like corporatism too. So, who gives a shit how far it goes. Might as well just install a complete command economy, since that is where this heads and then it implodes on itself.All Americans love capitalism. But Liberals love regulated capitalism. We like labor laws. We like unions. That means the workers get a seat at the table.
Like I said, this a bit advanced.
Social programs are fine if they are optional. Once you start MANDATING that everyone participate, that's when the trouble begins. Much like the ss system you think so highly of that is bankrupt.
You can have capitalism or some form of democracy... you can't have both - democracy is not possible within free market capitalism and what you're calling for is unfettered capitalism.
Democracy can't exist without a free market. Without economic freedom, democracy rapidly devolves to corporatism. That's the entire point of this thread. "Fettered" capitalism is what leads to tyranny. A government that controls our economy controls us completely.
What we need is to get all private money OUT of government.
Agreed. But you can't have it both ways, if you want money out of government you have to keep government out of our money.
Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class
1. There is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government.
2. The "middle class" is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it (as millions of Americans and Europeans are discovering).
1. There is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government.
Governments provide a stable currency to make markets possible. They provide a legal infrastructure and court systems to enforce the contracts that make markets possible. They provide educated workforces through public education, and those workers show up at their places of business after traveling on public roads, rails, or airways provided by government. Businesses are protected by police and fire departments provided by government, and send their communications - from phone to fax to internet - over lines that follow public rights-of-way maintained and protected by government.
And, most important, the rules of the game of business are defined by government. Any sports fan can tell you that football, baseball, or hockey without rules and referees would be a mess. Similarly, business without rules won't work.
Corporations taking over our government with money is the problem. The government needs to start working for we the people again.
You can have capitalism or some form of democracy... you can't have both - democracy is not possible within free market capitalism and what you're calling for is unfettered capitalism.
Democracy can't exist without a free market. Without economic freedom, democracy rapidly devolves to corporatism. That's the entire point of this thread. "Fettered" capitalism is what leads to tyranny. A government that controls our economy controls us completely.
What we need is to get all private money OUT of government.
Agreed. But you can't have it both ways, if you want money out of government you have to keep government out of our money.
We can get money out of elections AND have "fettered" capitalism.
Some of us have been saying it since OWS chums came along drooling and droning on about capitalism is the problem. Good article.
We can get money out of elections AND have "fettered" capitalism.
So what? You keep missing the point. The issue is corporatism - not election finance reform.
We can get money out of elections AND have "fettered" capitalism.
So what? You keep missing the point. The issue is corporatism - not election finance reform.
Board moderator now? Check back to the beginning of the thread. They're inseparable. You mean I'm missing YOUR point, but that's wrong too. Corporatism and election finance are totally intertwined.