Canada’s health care system

[LilOlLady]

CANADA’S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM

The poorest run system of all countries, still better than ours and most Canadians are satisfied with the care they receive even though Canada’s President of the Medical Association say it need improvement. If we had a HC system comparable to Canada it would be better than what we now have.
Germany’s people pay 7.5% of their income for HC and it works to their satisfaction.
All of the HC systems do not work the same and we should not lump then into one system. Certainly not use the poorest run system as an example. Which turns out better than what we have.
Again, as usual, right wingers falsely use Canada’s HC system as a scare tactic to control people into opposing any healthcare plan by the present administration.
There are not waits in Canada any longer than we have here with private HC.
Services are not limited or spread thin.
The rich, poor and elderly get the same quality of medical care. No death panels.
Radical anti-Obama right wingers will use any means to get the people, even the uninsured, to oppose what they refer to as “Obamacare” as if Obama wrote the rules of the HC plan along with a few senators so know nothing of the medical system.
Right wingers and their supporter will oppose anything the Obama administration attempt to do and want to take the country back hundreds of years. “Ain’t happening” We are moving forward with or without the radical white right wing racist. Town hall meeting, no matter were they are, are predominantly white.
Even if we had a HC system comparable to Canada’s, the poorest run of all systems, it would still be better than what we, the greatest nation in the world, have now.

Most of you cannot wait to put your parents in government rest homes and your mentally disabled into government run mental institutions or halfway houses.
Those who oppose of Socialized medicine the strongest are on Welfare, Social Security, SSI, Medicare and Medicaid. "Thou doest protest to loudly"

 

[Oddball]

Is there a record for the number of limp talking points and logical fallacies in one post??

 

[elvis]

Is there a record for the number of limp talking points and logical fallacies in one post??

I think it was previously held by Chris.

 

[Toro]

I agree that there is a lot of misinformation spread by people with agendas, however, some of the points in the OP are problematic.

First, there are wait times longer in Canada than in America. Generally, if you have a serious condition, i.e. cancer, heart attack, you are going to get to treatment pronto. But if it is not considered serious, i.e. lifestyle problems, then you are going to have to wait. My father had severe pinched nerves and carpal tunnel syndrome, and had to wait nearly a year to see a neurologist. My grandfather who had had a history of cancer, and who moved from Saskatchewan to BC, had to wait five months to see an oncologist (he was cancer free at the time), because there is a three month residency wait in BC before you can see a specialist. And then, he would have had to have waited longer had my father not known the oncologist, who was in his Rotary club, and was able to jump the queue.

Services have been spread thin. Generally, innovations are slower to get to Canada. A friend of mine had cancer but was not able to be treated with Avastin because it was not yet available in the country but was available in the US. It used to take months to get an MRI. A decade ago, Taxol was rationed in Manitoba.

Generally, Canadians are happy with their system. And there is no doubt, listening to the debate down here by the people who oppose reform is amusing. However, there is political spin on both sides, and people have to be informed of the potential problems to make intelligent decisions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Remind me again, which country did ailing multimillionaire Ted Kennedy go to for treatment? Was it Canada?

He supposedly dedicated his live to health care so his choice when it came to his own treatment speaks volumes, no?

 

[American Horse]

CANADA’S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM

The poorest run system of all countries, still better than ours and most Canadians are satisfied with the care they receive even though Canada’s President of the Medical Association say it need improvement. If we had a HC system comparable to Canada it would be better than what we now have. ....

Ambulance service is not provided by the Canadian System to get patients to the hospital for treatment in an emergency; even for those with heart attacks or for pregnant women in labor - [/paraphrase] By Dr. Brian Day former President of Canada's Medical Association in an interview by Bill O'Reilly

 

[Contumacious]

CANADA’S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM

The poorest run system of all countries, still better than ours and most Canadians are satisfied with the care they receive even though Canada’s President of the Medical Association say it need improvement."

Really?

So why didn't Ted Kennedy go North or to Europe for treatment? Why do Canadians come down to Buffalo, NY for treatment?

What prevents you from from becoming a Canuck?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Kennedy example is a smelly red herring.

Do not let the stoopidcons confuse here accessibility with quality.

Candians live longer than we do, they live healthier than we do.

And obviously as a people they are smarter than us here.

Think not? Read Crusader's, Dive's, and Elvis's upcoming stupidities.

 

[Toro]

Why would Kennedy go to Canada for end of life treatment? Virtually no Canadians come to America for end of life treatment.

 

[Contumacious]

The Kennedy example is a smelly red herring..

Smelly red herring?!? Or a Stake to the Heart of Obama's Hellcare?


.

 

[Contumacious]

Why would Kennedy go to Canada for end of life treatment? Virtually no Canadians come to America for end of life treatment.

When was the malignant glioma diagnosed as "end of life treatment?

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[Yukon]

The Canadian Health Care System is in need of correction. However, that being said it is still the best system in the world.

 

[Polk]

Why would Kennedy go to Canada for end of life treatment? Virtually no Canadians come to America for end of life treatment.

When was the malignant glioma diagnosed as "end of life treatment?

.

Half of people with malignant gliomas die in the first year and of those that survive the first year, half of those die in the second.

 

[Toro]

Why would Kennedy go to Canada for end of life treatment? Virtually no Canadians come to America for end of life treatment.

When was the malignant glioma diagnosed as "end of life treatment?

.

Virtually no Canadians go to America for malignant glioma treatment.

 

[AllieBaba]

I shall reference, again:


Fact No. 1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.[1] Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.[2] Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.
Fact No. 3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.[3] Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.[4] Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]
Fact No. 6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer.[6] All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada.[7] In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.[8]

Fact No. 7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."[9]

Fact No. 8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).[10]

Fact No. 9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.[11] [See the table.] The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.[12]

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.[13] The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined.[15] In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.[16] [See the table.]

Conclusion. Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.

Scott W. Atlas, M.D., is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor at the Stanford University Medical Center. A version of this article appeared previously in the February 18, 2009, Washington Times.

NEJM -- Quality of Care in U.S. Hospitals as Reflected by Standardized Measures, 2002-2004

 

[Yukon]

Allie.....more GOP propaganda ?

 

[Maple]

CANADA’S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM

The poorest run system of all countries, still better than ours and most Canadians are satisfied with the care they receive even though Canada’s President of the Medical Association say it need improvement. If we had a HC system comparable to Canada it would be better than what we now have.
Germany’s people pay 7.5% of their income for HC and it works to their satisfaction.
All of the HC systems do not work the same and we should not lump then into one system. Certainly not use the poorest run system as an example. Which turns out better than what we have.
Again, as usual, right wingers falsely use Canada’s HC system as a scare tactic to control people into opposing any healthcare plan by the present administration.
There are not waits in Canada any longer than we have here with private HC.
Services are not limited or spread thin.
The rich, poor and elderly get the same quality of medical care. No death panels.
Radical anti-Obama right wingers will use any means to get the people, even the uninsured, to oppose what they refer to as “Obamacare” as if Obama wrote the rules of the HC plan along with a few senators so know nothing of the medical system.
Right wingers and their supporter will oppose anything the Obama administration attempt to do and want to take the country back hundreds of years. “Ain’t happening” We are moving forward with or without the radical white right wing racist. Town hall meeting, no matter were they are, are predominantly white.
Even if we had a HC system comparable to Canada’s, the poorest run of all systems, it would still be better than what we, the greatest nation in the world, have now.

Most of you cannot wait to put your parents in government rest homes and your mentally disabled into government run mental institutions or halfway houses.
Those who oppose of Socialized medicine the strongest are on Welfare, Social Security, SSI, Medicare and Medicaid. "Thou doest protest to loudly"

Well lilolady, if you are truly an old lady, you need to be truly concerned about the health care that is going to be forced on you. In fact, there won't be any for you. It's called rationing. The young will be first in line and you will become a statistic. Remember Obama, " just go home and take a pain killer." BTW- I am most definitely not on welfare or any other government program.

 

[Political Junky]

Remind me again, which country did ailing multimillionaire Ted Kennedy go to for treatment? Was it Canada?

He supposedly dedicated his live to health care so his choice when it came to his own treatment speaks volumes, no?

No one doubts the US has good doctors and facilities. Luckily, Kennedy had access ... which is a problem for many.

 

[Political Junky]

CANADA’S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM

The poorest run system of all countries, still better than ours and most Canadians are satisfied with the care they receive even though Canada’s President of the Medical Association say it need improvement. If we had a HC system comparable to Canada it would be better than what we now have.
Germany’s people pay 7.5% of their income for HC and it works to their satisfaction.
All of the HC systems do not work the same and we should not lump then into one system. Certainly not use the poorest run system as an example. Which turns out better than what we have.
Again, as usual, right wingers falsely use Canada’s HC system as a scare tactic to control people into opposing any healthcare plan by the present administration.
There are not waits in Canada any longer than we have here with private HC.
Services are not limited or spread thin.
The rich, poor and elderly get the same quality of medical care. No death panels.
Radical anti-Obama right wingers will use any means to get the people, even the uninsured, to oppose what they refer to as “Obamacare” as if Obama wrote the rules of the HC plan along with a few senators so know nothing of the medical system.
Right wingers and their supporter will oppose anything the Obama administration attempt to do and want to take the country back hundreds of years. “Ain’t happening” We are moving forward with or without the radical white right wing racist. Town hall meeting, no matter were they are, are predominantly white.
Even if we had a HC system comparable to Canada’s, the poorest run of all systems, it would still be better than what we, the greatest nation in the world, have now.

Most of you cannot wait to put your parents in government rest homes and your mentally disabled into government run mental institutions or halfway houses.
Those who oppose of Socialized medicine the strongest are on Welfare, Social Security, SSI, Medicare and Medicaid. "Thou doest protest to loudly"

Well lilolady, if you are truly an old lady, you need to be truly concerned about the health care that is going to be forced on you. In fact, there won't be any for you. It's called rationing. The young will be first in line and you will become a statistic. Remember Obama, " just go home and take a pain killer." BTW- I am most definitely not on welfare or any other government program.

You know that's a lie.

 

[elvis]

Allie.....more GOP propaganda ?

yukon, more Nazi propaganda, eh?