Canada shows our future: 10 dead, 15 injured.

[Ray From Cleveland]

True. Every issue of Concealed Carry magazine has numerous nationwide accounts of good guy with a gun incidents.

And the reason it's not news is because it happens so often. The root word of news is "new." There is nothing new about armed citizens protecting themselves, others, or stopping a crime.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Really?
I doubt that.

How in the fuck does someone automatically know a person has a concealed weapon?

If anyone's is, it's yours, you can't even follow your own post.

No, they make the news.

April 14 2015
A would-be robber discovered that a pizza delivery guy in Douglas, Georgia, was packing more than just pies last week.
Antavious McTear, who was armed with a pipe, approached Gary Royer while he was out on a delivery and threatened him. But when Royer reacted by pulling out a gun, McTear changed his tune and sped away in his car.
Authorities later caught up with McTear, who was subsequently arrested and booked into the Coffee County jail.


May 10 2017
MESQUITE, Texas - A Dominos delivery driver who came face to face with a gun during a robbery last weekend said he’s thankful to be alive but is sad that one of the teens died.

Two teenagers tried to rob David Gerber at gunpoint as he delivered a pizza in Mesquite on Saturday night. One teen fired a warning shot at Gerber, but he was armed too and fired back and killed one of the would-be robbers.

June 22 2021
An
Ohio pizza delivery driver allegedly shot and killed an attempted armed robber Sunday evening with a concealed carry weapon, WBTN reported.

Two armed men wearing face masks entered a Papa John’s in New Carlisle in a robbery attempt after 11 p.m., according to WBTN. An unidentified pizza delivery employee shot and killed one of the robbers, 21-year-old Gage Melton, with a firearm while the other suspect escaped the scene, according to the outlet.

Like I said, on a slow news day. But other than that, it happens more often than reported by the media.

 

[B. Kidd]

And the reason it's not news is because it happens so often. The root word of news is "new." There is nothing new about armed citizens protecting themselves, others, or stopping a crime.

And look at the money that they save taxpayers!!

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Good thing the sicko in Uvalde didn't have a knife when he entered that classroom.....even more kids would be dead....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Good thing the sicko in Uvalde didn't have a knife when he entered that classroom.....even more kids would be dead....

Not if there were armed security or teachers had emergency guns to use.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Not if there were armed security or teachers had emergency guns to use.

If all the guy had was a knife -- the 93827 cops that was there wouldn't have been as afraid to confront him...
It's almost like they feel an AR-15 is more deadly than a knife...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If all the guy had was a knife -- the 93827 cops that was there wouldn't have been as afraid to confront him...
It's almost like they feel an AR-15 is more deadly than a knife...

Given the history of mass murderers avoiding places where people are armed, it's likely he wouldn't have chosen that school in the first place.

 

[ChemEngineer]

Ban all knives! They've been killing people centuries longer than guns have.

 

[Moonglow]

Ban God, he kills.

 

[marvin martian]

Now, what if these two dirtbags had an AR and 2000 rounds of ammo?

If they had, you would be pretending to care about this now.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If they had, you would be pretending to care about this now.

Or get a job at the IRS.

 

[hadit]

Ban God, he kills.

They've been trying to for a very long time. Not so successful.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They've been trying to for a very long time. Not so successful.

Actually they've been pretty successful which is why our society is having the crime problems we're having.

 

[Pellinore]

79% of all homicides in the US in 2020 involved a firearm.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Source: Pew Research, Least Biased, Very High factual reporting.

Knives are nowhere close.

 

[2aguy]

79% of all homicides in the US in 2020 involved a firearm.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

Source: Pew Research, Least Biased, Very High factual reporting.

Knives are nowhere close.

The majority of victims of gun murder are criminals, living in democrat party controlled cities.....

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, stabbings, beatings, kidnappings, and even mass public shootings.

Care to address that fact?

Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—

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A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press