Can South America Become Great?

[sealybobo]

Common core will prevent Americans from being smart enough to get on a plane and fix anything. India will be trained to fix whatever needs fixing.

And corporations here do pay taxes. More than their share, but we keep demanding more and more, and demonize those 1%ers. We declared war on the very people that hired us. How stupid.

Ohio is offering tax breaks for 10 years and businesses are hanging their hats in Ohio. And hiring people to help them run their businesses. Those people spend their paychecks at the local restaurants and flower shops, and markets.
Businesses appreciate the relationship so they build a nice big park and indoor pool for the community. It is a much better scenario for everyone involved.
Socialism is a scourge that steals everything you own. Ask the socialist. Bernie wants 99%.
You will never see a 99% return.

We don't require more and more from the rich. The tax breaks to them gotta stop and politicians need to go back to taraffs and taxing. Don't just roll back the bush tax breaks, roll back the Reagan ones too.

It's the rich who keep asking for and getting more.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Common core will prevent Americans from being smart enough to get on a plane and fix anything. India will be trained to fix whatever needs fixing.

And corporations here do pay taxes. More than their share, but we keep demanding more and more, and demonize those 1%ers. We declared war on the very people that used to hire us. How stupid.

Ohio is offering tax breaks for 10 years and businesses are hanging their hats in Ohio. And hiring people to help them run their businesses. Those people spend their paychecks at the local restaurants and flower shops, and markets.
Businesses appreciate the relationship so they build a nice big park and indoor pool for the community. It is a much better scenario for everyone involved.
Socialism is a scourge that steals everything you own. Ask the socialist. Bernie wants 99%.
You will never see a 99% return.

Yep it's funny alright. Ohioans are laughing all the way to the bank once again.
And the pool is open!

 

[sealybobo]

The WHOLE country has been sold out, not just me. I don't depend on government, nor corporations for anything. I think that you totally misunderstand by use of "sold out".

That wouldn't be the whole country ... I am part of this country at the moment and haven't been sold out.
Of course I never made an investment in the government or implied societal concerns after my military service (which thankfully taught me what I needed to know).
The only way you or anyone else could be "sold out" ... Is if you expected something (anything) from someone else.

I understand what you meant by being "sold out" ... You should have invested more faith in yourself than the government or anything else as far as securing the American Dream.

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What would you be without that 4 years the government took you in and gave you a job. And they didn't draft you, you chose to be on the government tit for 4 years and get a free degree and access to government benefits like the va.

We respect and appreciate you putting aside your hatred of socialism to take a socialist government service Jon in the public sector.

Bullshit. I was drafted in 1966. You know absolutely nothing about me, nor my military service. The government didn't give me shit. I have never ever used my VA benefits. You're full of shit. Have we ever met in person? Do you know my background? Do you know anything about my personal life? If so, how do you know it?

You are a liberal 23 year old fat Asian gay as far as I can tell

 

[Sonny Clark]

Where in this world did investments come into this conversation? I have said absolutely nothing about investments. I haven't implied anything about investments. Investments is the least of our worries.

Any effort, attention, money, vote, agreement, understanding, acceptance, compliance or action that supports an idea, government, organization, group, person or other enity is an investment of resources, energy, money, or effort.

For me to answer your post ... Is an "investment" in the possibility that you may understand the response.

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FYI - Every single American taxpayer is invested in America, period. And, every single American not wealthy, not powerful, and not influential, has been sold out. And, I'm NOT talking about personal investments. I'm talking about this once great nation. Would you like a list?

And, if it were an investment, as you call it, then our investment is worthless as we speak. Do you realize how many future generations of Americans have already been saddled with astronomical debt?

 

[BlackSand]

What would you be without that 4 years the government took you in and gave you a job. And they didn't draft you, you chose to be on the government tit for 4 years and get a free degree and access to government benefits like the va.

We respect and appreciate you putting aside your hatred of socialism to take a socialist government service Jon in the public sector.

Seven years ... Not 4 and never stationed stateside except for training.
I got the opportunity to see the world ... Some really shitty parts of the world to be exact.
I used the GI Bill to go to college and get a piece of paper to hang on the wall I have never used for anything other than a decoration.

The military didn't teach me to hate socialism, liberalism or America ... It gave me an appreciation for the opportunities we as Americans have at our disposal ... And the intestinal fortitude to put it all on the line and go for it.

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[Sonny Clark]

FYI -- Charity starts at home. Why should we help foreign economies before we help our own? Why should we spend hard earned American tax dollars abroad before spending them here to stabilize our own economy? What would be wrong with putting Americans back to work, producing what America uses and consumes? Why sacrifice our own economic well-being in order to strengthen foreign economies? Do American taxpayers want their tax dollars spent elsewhere to assist others, while America experiences economic hardships? Do we elect representatives to serve us, or do we elect them to serve the world, and place America last on the priority list?

Please answer all questions honestly. Thanks.

We did it because corporations and the rich wanted us to.

Do you suppose that the anti-America professional politicians seated in Washington had anything to do with it? Would you guess that our government is bought and paid for by the wealthy, the powerful, and the influential? Or, do you believe that corporate America did it all on their own, wrote their own trade agreements and policies, and cut Washington out of the picture?

Agreed. So why do you blame the middle class and poor?

Where have I ever said that I blame the Middle Class or the poor? I have never said such, nor implied such.

Republicans blame the overpaid American worker. The middle class. Too many of us make too much. They say we are why corporations go to Mexico or china.

FYI - I am NOT a Republican, nor a Democrat.

 

[BlackSand]

FYI - Every single American taxpayer is invested in America, period. And, every single American not wealthy, not powerful, and not influential, has been sold out. And, I'm NOT talking about personal investments. I'm talking about this once great nation. Would you like a list?

And, if it were an investment, as you call it, then our investment is worthless as we speak. Do you realize how many future generations of Americans have already been saddled with astronomical debt?

I pay my taxes because I am invested in not going to jail ... You are free to pay yours for whatever reason you want.
And ... I am not going to argue with the concept you might have made a worthless investment at some point.

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[Sonny Clark]

The WHOLE country has been sold out, not just me. I don't depend on government, nor corporations for anything. I think that you totally misunderstand by use of "sold out".

That wouldn't be the whole country ... I am part of this country at the moment and haven't been sold out.
Of course I never made an investment in the government or implied societal concerns after my military service (which thankfully taught me what I needed to know).
The only way you or anyone else could be "sold out" ... Is if you expected something (anything) from someone else.

I understand what you meant by being "sold out" ... You should have invested more faith in yourself than the government or anything else as far as securing the American Dream.

.

What would you be without that 4 years the government took you in and gave you a job. And they didn't draft you, you chose to be on the government tit for 4 years and get a free degree and access to government benefits like the va.

We respect and appreciate you putting aside your hatred of socialism to take a socialist government service Jon in the public sector.

Bullshit. I was drafted in 1966. You know absolutely nothing about me, nor my military service. The government didn't give me shit. I have never ever used my VA benefits. You're full of shit. Have we ever met in person? Do you know my background? Do you know anything about my personal life? If so, how do you know it?

You are a liberal 23 year old fat Asian gay as far as I can tell

And you're a low-life fucking asshole, as far as I can tell. .... FYI - I am NOT a Liberal, Conservative, Moderate, Independent, Republican, Democrat, Left Wing, Right Wing, nor anything other than an American for America, period. Also, for your information, asshole, I'll be 68 years young tomorrow. No, I am NOT an Asian, by any stretch of the imagination. So, by your pathetic silly immature comments, you know absolutely nothing about me.

Anything else turd lip? If so, lets hear it.

 

[Sonny Clark]

FYI - Every single American taxpayer is invested in America, period. And, every single American not wealthy, not powerful, and not influential, has been sold out. And, I'm NOT talking about personal investments. I'm talking about this once great nation. Would you like a list?

And, if it were an investment, as you call it, then our investment is worthless as we speak. Do you realize how many future generations of Americans have already been saddled with astronomical debt?

I pay my taxes because I am invested in not going to jail ... You are free to pay yours for whatever reason you want.
And ... I am not going to argue with the concept you might have made a worthless investment at some point.

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I pay my taxes. I'm an American taxpayer, and have been for many years. And, who hasn't made an investment in America via their taxes? That's just common sense.

 

[BlackSand]

I pay my taxes. I'm an American taxpayer, and have been for many years. And, who hasn't made an investment in America via their taxes? That's just common sense.

Are you happy with your investment in America and the returns you receive for the effort and resources you donated to the cause?

I don't bitch about it ... And feel that I have received adequate returns for my investment.
Not that I am stupid enough to believe better resource management and oversight would be more beneficial ... But I don't expect much from the government since they pretty much ensure they are incapable of doing what should be done.

Edit:
Perhaps an anecdotal analogy may explain it better ...

I primarily purchase and use vehicles that consume large amounts of gasoline for business and recreation purposes.
My friends get very irritated with me if I don't go ape shit when the price of fuel goes up and they want to piss and whine about it.
When they ask me why it doesn't bother me I tell them ... "It just means I need to earn more money to support my desires".

The clue is to stop thinking about how things don't work ... And start taking advantage of how things do work.

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[sealybobo]

Where in this world did investments come into this conversation? I have said absolutely nothing about investments. I haven't implied anything about investments. Investments is the least of our worries.

Any effort, attention, money, vote, agreement, understanding, acceptance, compliance or action that supports an idea, government, organization, group, person or other enity is an investment of resources, energy, money, or effort.

For me to answer your post ... Is an "investment" in the possibility that you may understand the response.

.

FYI - Every single American taxpayer is invested in America, period. And, every single American not wealthy, not powerful, and not influential, has been sold out. And, I'm NOT talking about personal investments. I'm talking about this once great nation. Would you like a list?

And, if it were an investment, as you call it, then our investment is worthless as we speak. Do you realize how many future generations of Americans have already been saddled with astronomical debt?

The point of not taxing the poor is to not make it more difficult than it already is getting out of poverty

 

[sealybobo]

If you got rich despite paying taxes why do you want to change the rules that clearly hurt the rest of us that haven't yet made it. Like the affordable healthcare you got when you were working. Or better interest on savings, or high paying union jobs or pensions?

 

[sealybobo]

Common core will prevent Americans from being smart enough to get on a plane and fix anything. India will be trained to fix whatever needs fixing.

And corporations here do pay taxes. More than their share, but we keep demanding more and more, and demonize those 1%ers. We declared war on the very people that used to hire us. How stupid.

Ohio is offering tax breaks for 10 years and businesses are hanging their hats in Ohio. And hiring people to help them run their businesses. Those people spend their paychecks at the local restaurants and flower shops, and markets.
Businesses appreciate the relationship so they build a nice big park and indoor pool for the community. It is a much better scenario for everyone involved.
Socialism is a scourge that steals everything you own. Ask the socialist. Bernie wants 99%.
You will never see a 99% return.

Not quite. A local government builds the community park paid for because those businesses and their employees are residents that pay taxes to that local government.

You would like to remove the government and have corporations controlling the economy. Who's gonna maintain and pay the taxes on that park the corporation put up? Who's gonna patrol it? Neighborhood watch? A community completely run the libertarians way.

 

[BlackSand]

If you got rich despite paying taxes why do you want to change the rules that clearly hurt the rest of us that haven't yet made it. Like the affordable healthcare you got when you were working. Or better interest on savings, or high paying union jobs or pensions?

Well I guess it all depends on what you think about the government's policies in those areas.

Take for instance Healthcare ... There are plans available that provide for all the coverage that anyone would need.
These plans apply to employer provided healthcare that is far and beyond what any standard plan offers.
But since these plans often cost more and offer more than the basic bullshit the government is prepared to provide you with ... The ACA will levy an upfront 40% tax to the plans.

You are not just screwing the rich people ... You are fucking their employees as well*.





* Now ... Tell me why I shouldn't take the money it would cost to cover my employees ... Build a family clinic on site ... Hire a doctor and staff on salary to treat them in most routine cases ... And let the ACA pay me for their treatment?

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[The Irish Ram]

Nope, I'd like for us to stop strangeling busi

Common core will prevent Americans from being smart enough to get on a plane and fix anything. India will be trained to fix whatever needs fixing.

And corporations here do pay taxes. More than their share, but we keep demanding more and more, and demonize those 1%ers. We declared war on the very people that used to hire us. How stupid.

Ohio is offering tax breaks for 10 years and businesses are hanging their hats in Ohio. And hiring people to help them run their businesses. Those people spend their paychecks at the local restaurants and flower shops, and markets.
Businesses appreciate the relationship so they build a nice big park and indoor pool for the community. It is a much better scenario for everyone involved.
Socialism is a scourge that steals everything you own. Ask the socialist. Bernie wants 99%.
You will never see a 99% return.

Not quite. A local government builds the community park paid for because those businesses and their employees are residents that pay taxes to that local government.

You would like to remove the government and have corporations controlling the economy. Who's gonna maintain and pay the taxes on that park the corporation put up? Who's gonna patrol it? Neighborhood watch? A community completely run the libertarians way.

No, what I'd like is for everyone to pay their fair share, and stop gouging the corporations.
And the park scenario isn't hypothetical. It was a gift from the Corporation that was welcomed into the community. Bobby Urich's mom and aunts became millionaires supplying the corporate/local workers with homemade lunches and their famous cabbage rolls. Stores popped up. All the kids swim in the pool at the park until winter, and then they get to play in the indoor pool. Taxes from the corporation and the businesses and the workers pay for the upkeep.

Obama regulations are shutting the corporation down. They are closing up and taking their jobs and tax money elsewhere. And the once prospering town is now full of laid off workers and closed businesses. They even closed the post office. One café remains open.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Nope, I'd like for us to stop strangeling busi

Common core will prevent Americans from being smart enough to get on a plane and fix anything. India will be trained to fix whatever needs fixing.

And corporations here do pay taxes. More than their share, but we keep demanding more and more, and demonize those 1%ers. We declared war on the very people that used to hire us. How stupid.

Ohio is offering tax breaks for 10 years and businesses are hanging their hats in Ohio. And hiring people to help them run their businesses. Those people spend their paychecks at the local restaurants and flower shops, and markets.
Businesses appreciate the relationship so they build a nice big park and indoor pool for the community. It is a much better scenario for everyone involved.
Socialism is a scourge that steals everything you own. Ask the socialist. Bernie wants 99%.
You will never see a 99% return.

Not quite. A local government builds the community park paid for because those businesses and their employees are residents that pay taxes to that local government.

You would like to remove the government and have corporations controlling the economy. Who's gonna maintain and pay the taxes on that park the corporation put up? Who's gonna patrol it? Neighborhood watch? A community completely run the libertarians way.

No, what I'd like is for everyone to pay their fair share, and stop gouging the corporations.
And the park scenario isn't hypothetical. It was a gift from the Corporation that was welcomed into the community. Bobby Urich's mom and aunts became millionaires supplying the corporate/local workers with homemade lunches and their famous cabbage rolls. Stores popped up. All the kids swim in the pool at the park until winter, and then they got to play in the indoor pool. Taxes from the corporation and the businesses and the workers pay for the upkeep.

Obama regulations are shutting the corporation down. They are closing up and taking their jobs and tax money elsewhere. And the once prospering town is now full of laid off workers and closed businesses. They even closed the post office. One café remains open.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Nope, I'd like for us to stop strangeling busi

Common core will prevent Americans from being smart enough to get on a plane and fix anything. India will be trained to fix whatever needs fixing.

And corporations here do pay taxes. More than their share, but we keep demanding more and more, and demonize those 1%ers. We declared war on the very people that used to hire us. How stupid.

Ohio is offering tax breaks for 10 years and businesses are hanging their hats in Ohio. And hiring people to help them run their businesses. Those people spend their paychecks at the local restaurants and flower shops, and markets.
Businesses appreciate the relationship so they build a nice big park and indoor pool for the community. It is a much better scenario for everyone involved.
Socialism is a scourge that steals everything you own. Ask the socialist. Bernie wants 99%.
You will never see a 99% return.

Not quite. A local government builds the community park paid for because those businesses and their employees are residents that pay taxes to that local government.

You would like to remove the government and have corporations controlling the economy. Who's gonna maintain and pay the taxes on that park the corporation put up? Who's gonna patrol it? Neighborhood watch? A community completely run the libertarians way.

No, what I'd like is for everyone to pay their fair share, and stop gouging the corporations.
And the park scenario isn't hypothetical. It was a gift from the Corporation that was welcomed into the community. Bobby Urich's mom and aunts became millionaires supplying the corporate/local workers with homemade lunches and their famous cabbage rolls. Stores popped up. All the kids swim in the pool at the park until winter, and then they got to play in the indoor pool. Taxes from the corporation and the businesses and the workers paid for the upkeep.

Obama regulations are shutting the corporation down. They are closing up and taking their jobs and tax money elsewhere. And the once prospering little town is now full of laid off workers and closed businesses. They even closed the post office. One café remains open.

 

[sealybobo]

So anyway, can south america become great? So one day they are like Canada? My company does a lot of business in mexico. We aren't even a big 2 in my industry and we do business with at least 2000 Mexican companies.

I suspect those corporations are in shit hole towns where people pay no taxes cause the got no money. Where's Walmart? Is there a thriving middle class in the Mexican towns ford moved their plants to?

I would estimate my industry services 50,000 factories in mexico. So why Mexicans coming here?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Nope, I'd like for us to stop strangeling busi

Common core will prevent Americans from being smart enough to get on a plane and fix anything. India will be trained to fix whatever needs fixing.

And corporations here do pay taxes. More than their share, but we keep demanding more and more, and demonize those 1%ers. We declared war on the very people that used to hire us. How stupid.

Ohio is offering tax breaks for 10 years and businesses are hanging their hats in Ohio. And hiring people to help them run their businesses. Those people spend their paychecks at the local restaurants and flower shops, and markets.
Businesses appreciate the relationship so they build a nice big park and indoor pool for the community. It is a much better scenario for everyone involved.
Socialism is a scourge that steals everything you own. Ask the socialist. Bernie wants 99%.
You will never see a 99% return.

Not quite. A local government builds the community park paid for because those businesses and their employees are residents that pay taxes to that local government.

You would like to remove the government and have corporations controlling the economy. Who's gonna maintain and pay the taxes on that park the corporation put up? Who's gonna patrol it? Neighborhood watch? A community completely run the libertarians way.

No, what I'd like is for everyone to pay their fair share, and stop gouging the corporations.
And the park scenario isn't hypothetical. It was a gift from the Corporation that was welcomed into the community. Bobby Urich's mom and aunts became millionaires supplying the corporate/local workers with homemade lunches and their famous cabbage rolls. Stores popped up. All the kids swim in the pool at the park until winter, and then they got to play in the indoor pool. Taxes from the corporation and the businesses and the workers paid for the upkeep.

Obama regulations are shutting the corporation down. They are closing up and taking their jobs and tax money elsewhere. And the once prospering little town is now full of laid off workers and closed businesses. They even closed the post office. One café remains open.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Nope, I'd like for us to stop strangeling busi

Common core will prevent Americans from being smart enough to get on a plane and fix anything. India will be trained to fix whatever needs fixing.

And corporations here do pay taxes. More than their share, but we keep demanding more and more, and demonize those 1%ers. We declared war on the very people that used to hire us. How stupid.

Ohio is offering tax breaks for 10 years and businesses are hanging their hats in Ohio. And hiring people to help them run their businesses. Those people spend their paychecks at the local restaurants and flower shops, and markets.
Businesses appreciate the relationship so they build a nice big park and indoor pool for the community. It is a much better scenario for everyone involved.
Socialism is a scourge that steals everything you own. Ask the socialist. Bernie wants 99%.
You will never see a 99% return.

Not quite. A local government builds the community park paid for because those businesses and their employees are residents that pay taxes to that local government.

You would like to remove the government and have corporations controlling the economy. Who's gonna maintain and pay the taxes on that park the corporation put up? Who's gonna patrol it? Neighborhood watch? A community completely run the libertarians way.

No, what I'd like is for everyone to pay their fair share, and stop gouging the corporations.
And the park scenario isn't hypothetical. It was a gift from the Corporation that was welcomed into the community. Bobby Urich's mom and aunts became millionaires supplying the corporate/local workers with homemade lunches and their famous cabbage rolls. Stores popped up. All the kids swim in the pool at the park until winter, and then they got to play in the indoor pool. Taxes from the corporation and the businesses and the workers paid for the upkeep.

Obama regulations are shutting the corporation down. They are closing up and taking their jobs and tax money elsewhere. And the once prospering little town is now full of laid off workers and closed businesses. They even closed the post office. One café remains open.