Can someone who is or was racist/bigoted be redeemed?

[JoeMoma]

It is my opinion that being a racist is similar to being a liar. If someone tells us that he has never told a lie, then he is lying. Likewise, normal human beings will sometime in their lives do something that is racist even if it's merely a thought. Still, some people are mostly honest and some people are usually not racist.

So, yes! A person can be a racist and then change for the better. Likewise, a person can become more racist with age.

 

[Care4all]

Could a guy like David Duke (who was a Klansmen, by definition a racist) be redeemed?

What would it take? When would most people consider such a guy redeemed and no longer racist (if possible)?

Or, is being a racist like being an alcoholic? Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, just recovering? Recovering racist?

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YES!

Everyone can be redeemed!

One unexpected act of kindness by a stranger who you are suppose to hate, while one is in their own desperate situation, can do just that...!!!

true story!

When it comes to Byrd he could have lied low doing it. He did not. He was like a colorful peacock with many of the state of West Virginia's public projects named after him. And this while he was alive and in office.

I stand by my answer to the op question,

Can a racist be redeemed?

And my answer is still, absolutely, YES!

And it is not like a recovering alcoholic, where you can fall back in to it again as a lifestyle, as Bootney described....

 

[Vastator]

Could a guy like David Duke (who was a Klansmen, by definition a racist) be redeemed?

What would it take? When would most people consider such a guy redeemed and no longer racist (if possible)?

Or, is being a racist like being an alcoholic? Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, just recovering? Recovering racist?

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OP is a flawed premise. Assumes racism is a negative personality aspect... Which assumes that looking out for the interests of ones own, before the interests of others is a negative...
The term “racism” is nothing more than a Cucks attempt to vilify a concept as simple as valuing ones own children, higher than that of others, in a negative light. It’s socialist to its core.

It is a negative personality aspect, Vastator. Everyone values their own children higher than others--we all have the smartest, most likeable and good looking kid in the neighborhood. We all KNOW this. That's not racism.
You know what it is. C'mon. Quit playin' around.

I know the difference between what some say it is. And they say many things... And I know that the innate basic loyalties of family, group, tribe, society, culture; are villified as “Racist!!!”. You’re right that I do know what it is. And I make no apologies for my loyalties however one might categorize them. And I ain’t playin’...

 

[Rocko]

Could a guy like David Duke (who was a Klansmen, by definition a racist) be redeemed?

What would it take? When would most people consider such a guy redeemed and no longer racist (if possible)?

Or, is being a racist like being an alcoholic? Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, just recovering? Recovering racist?

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Yes. I used to be racist and then I changed. It took self reflection for me. I was never racist to the point where racism dominated my thinking that you tend to see with some people, so maybe with me becoming not racist was part of a maturing process. I would be lying if I said my prejudice doesn’t rear its head sometimes, but I try to keep it in check. I also want to add that even though I had racist feelings, I also never believe our differences were a byproduct of genetics, and even though I was racist and there were groups I didn’t like, it didn’t really affect how I treated people on a individual basis. If that makes any sense.

 

[Rocko]

I also believe generally speaking racism and bigotry are problems that manifest themselves in a way that hurts the people that are guilty of those feelings more than it hurts other people. We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

 

[Vastator]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

 

[Rocko]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

 

[Vastator]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

How so?

You did say that “ we always look at people who hate with detest”...

 

[Rocko]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

How so?

Because being consumed by anger and hate isn’t conducive to one’s mental mental health.

 

[Vastator]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

Harboring a hateful grudge can be quite useful. It keeps the emotions stirred such that when an opportunity presents itself to act, in a manner that may render benefit, compensation or satisfaction for justice; one does so with immediacy, and fervor. It’s an evolutionary advantage.

 

[Vastator]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

How so?

Because being consumed by anger and hate isn’t conducive to one’s mental mental health.

Why do you assume that the presence of hate “consumes”? Rather than it being something of which one is merely aware?

 

[Rocko]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

Harboring a hateful grudge can be quite useful. It keeps the emotions stirred such that when an opportunity presents itself to act, in a manner that may render benefit, compensation or satisfaction for justice; one does so with immediacy, and fervor. It’s an evolutionary advantage.

In general I see anger as a distressful emotion. But I suppose that in certain circumstances it could be useful. I don’t believe hating a particular race or creed serves anyone’s best interest.

 

[Rocko]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

How so?

Because being consumed by anger and hate isn’t conducive to one’s mental mental health.

Why do you assume that the presence of hate “consumes”? Rather than it being something of which one is merely aware?

There’s different levels of racism. I’m not trying to project my personal experience on to everyone else, and as I’ve mentioned I was never consumed by racism, but once I changed my views, I calmed down and became a kinder, happier, more tolerant person. You see a lot of people, even on this site that seem to be obsessed and frustrated because of their own racism. It can’t be healthy.

 

[Vastator]

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

How so?

Because being consumed by anger and hate isn’t conducive to one’s mental mental health.

Why do you assume that the presence of hate “consumes”? Rather than it being something of which one is merely aware?

There’s different levels of racism. I’m not trying to project my personal experience on to everyone else, and as I’ve mentioned I was never consumed by racism, but once I changed my views, I calmed down and became a kinder, happier, more tolerant person. You see a lot of people, even on this site that seem to be obsessed and frustrated because of their own racism. It can’t be healthy.

I’d wager that being consumed by any emotion whatsoever would have detrimental negative consequences. “Hate” doesn’t stand out as unique in this regard.

 

[Rocko]

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

How so?

Because being consumed by anger and hate isn’t conducive to one’s mental mental health.

Why do you assume that the presence of hate “consumes”? Rather than it being something of which one is merely aware?

There’s different levels of racism. I’m not trying to project my personal experience on to everyone else, and as I’ve mentioned I was never consumed by racism, but once I changed my views, I calmed down and became a kinder, happier, more tolerant person. You see a lot of people, even on this site that seem to be obsessed and frustrated because of their own racism. It can’t be healthy.

I’d wager that being consumed by any emotion whatsoever would have detrimental negative consequences. “Hate” doesn’t stand out as unique in this regard.

That’s a valid point

 

[Vastator]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

Harboring a hateful grudge can be quite useful. It keeps the emotions stirred such that when an opportunity presents itself to act, in a manner that may render benefit, compensation or satisfaction for justice; one does so with immediacy, and fervor. It’s an evolutionary advantage.

I don’t believe hating a particular race or creed serves anyone’s best interest.

If one removes the presupposition of “hatred”, is it really too difficult to see the advantages of preferential treatment amongst those who fit ones own in group preferences?

 

[MisterBeale]

Could a guy like David Duke (who was a Klansmen, by definition a racist) be redeemed?

What would it take? When would most people consider such a guy redeemed and no longer racist (if possible)?

Or, is being a racist like being an alcoholic? Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic, just recovering? Recovering racist?

.

In the present political climate?

NO.


"Racism" as a political tool, is too powerful.

Even if there is no or intended bigotry, just the mere appearance or claim is a good enough motivating factor to rally the faithful and move folks to the polls through victim-hood politics.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

Harboring a hateful grudge can be quite useful. It keeps the emotions stirred such that when an opportunity presents itself to act, in a manner that may render benefit, compensation or satisfaction for justice; one does so with immediacy, and fervor. It’s an evolutionary advantage.

In general I see anger as a distressful emotion. But I suppose that in certain circumstances it could be useful. I don’t believe hating a particular race or creed serves anyone’s best interest.

Racism doesn't have to include anger, nor does anti-Racism have to include no anger.

One can be Racist & be the calm one in the discussion, just pointing out that there's a lower IQ & higher murder rate in say Blacks.

The anti-Racist could be foaming at the mouth with hatred & anger at the person stating such facts.

So....

 

[Rocko]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

Harboring a hateful grudge can be quite useful. It keeps the emotions stirred such that when an opportunity presents itself to act, in a manner that may render benefit, compensation or satisfaction for justice; one does so with immediacy, and fervor. It’s an evolutionary advantage.

I don’t believe hating a particular race or creed serves anyone’s best interest.

If one removes the presupposition of “hatred”, is it really too difficult to see the advantages of preferential treatment amongst those who fit ones own in group preferences?

I mean believing that certain people are inferior tends to manifest itself in hate and frustration. Surely there’s a correlation, is there not?

 

[Rocko]

We always look at people who hate with detest, and I’m not saying whether that’s right or wrong, but it’s the people that hate that are suffering. It’s not good to feel angry, and that’s what racism produces.

That’s really strange. So when you see the father of a raped, and murdered daughter staring at her killer in a court room... You see him as “detestable”? I’m curious as to why?

I wouldn’t look at them as detestable. However harboring a hateful grudge doesn’t serve one’s best interests, regardless of circumstances. What I was saying is bigots are often looked at as detestable, when the reality is most of them do more damage to themselves than they do to anyone else.

Harboring a hateful grudge can be quite useful. It keeps the emotions stirred such that when an opportunity presents itself to act, in a manner that may render benefit, compensation or satisfaction for justice; one does so with immediacy, and fervor. It’s an evolutionary advantage.

In general I see anger as a distressful emotion. But I suppose that in certain circumstances it could be useful. I don’t believe hating a particular race or creed serves anyone’s best interest.

Racism doesn't have to include anger, nor does anti-Racism have to include no anger.

One can be Racist & be the calm one in the discussion, just pointing out that there's a lower IQ & higher murder rate in say Blacks.

The anti-Racist could be foaming at the mouth with hatred & anger at the person stating such facts.

So....

Look at you as an example. You’re a racist and you lash out constantly. Meanwhile most of the no racist people on this board have tuned you out. It seems to me like you’re an example of what I’m talking about.