Can America Be Made Whole Again?

[Meathead]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

 

[Tank]

As soon as we get rid of liberals

 

[BluesLegend]

As soon as we get rid of liberals

That's step one, step two put people back to work and reduce the number of moochers. This will give the country plenty of wealth so that we can help the truly needy and educate our youth.

For able bodied moochers this will mean getting off your fat lard asses and working, paying your own bills, taking some responsibility.

Liberals will need to change or get left behind.

 

[Mac1958]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

The only way it happens is if leaders from both ends of the spectrum successfully challenge their "sides" to put country over party.

The "leaders" may come from politics or popular culture or business or, who the hell knows, maybe sports.

As long as compromise and humility are equated with capitulation, no real progress will be made.
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[Meathead]

As soon as we get rid of liberals

I had hoped to avoid this kind of thing and focus on the question: Can America be made whole again?

And yeah I get it. America was never whole. But like many things in life, it is a matter of degree.

Pointless here, I'm sure.

 

[Tank]

As soon as we get rid of liberals

I had hoped to avoid this kind of thing and focus on the question: Can America be made whole again?

And yeah I get it. America was never whole. But like many things in life, it is a matter of degree.

Pointless here, I'm sure.

Liberals want to divide America

 

[Meathead]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

The only way it happens is if leaders from both ends of the spectrum successfully challenge their "sides" to put country over party.

The "leaders" may come from politics or popular culture or business or, who the hell knows, maybe sports.

As long as compromise and humility are equated with capitulation, no real progress will be made.
.

What I am asking is if the "spectrum", as you put it, can be moderated. Or is it indeed a permanent state?

 

[The Great Goose]

Did you know that the Cronulla riots were about Italians and Greeks as well as Muslims?

In Australia we call Mediterraneans, wogs (in England they call Arabs wogs).

The mass Mediterranean immigration mostly occurred in the 50s.

No. Unless some multicultural fantasy comes true, America will not be whole again in the near future. People naturally form enclaves.

 

[there4eyeM]

Again?

 

[Crixus]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

to me it was election 2000 and the advent of political troll "news" shows like Hannity and Colms, Maddaw and the like. until americans get control of their emotions and stop being outraged over every little thing coming together again will never happen.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

We have two diametrically opposed worldviews in conflict.

One accepts the Constitution as written in stone. The other is based in Marxism and its variants.

As with all such conflicts, the smarter one with the biggest stick win ultimately prevail.

 

[Meathead]

We have two diametrically opposed worldviews in conflict.

One accepts the Constitution as written in stone. The other is based in Marxism and its variants.

As with all such conflicts, the smarter one with the biggest stick win ultimately prevail.

I disagree that we are as polarized as you suggest. The Ten Commandments were said to be written by the hand of God for good reason, but the founding fathers wisely moderated this. Being liberal is not tantamount to being Marxist but rather trying to invoke change at a pace that often defies basic human instinct.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We have two diametrically opposed worldviews in conflict.

One accepts the Constitution as written in stone. The other is based in Marxism and its variants.

As with all such conflicts, the smarter one with the biggest stick win ultimately prevail.

I disagree that we are as polarized as you suggest. The Ten Commandments were said to be written by the hand of God for good reason, but the founding fathers wisely moderated this. Being liberal is not tantamount to being Marxist

Liberalism by classic definition is not, but modern-day liberalism/Progressivism absolutely is.

 

[Mac1958]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

The only way it happens is if leaders from both ends of the spectrum successfully challenge their "sides" to put country over party.

The "leaders" may come from politics or popular culture or business or, who the hell knows, maybe sports.

As long as compromise and humility are equated with capitulation, no real progress will be made.
.

What I am asking is if the "spectrum", as you put it, can be moderated. Or is it indeed a permanent state?

Sure, I think it can be moderated, if cooler heads can prevail. The culture of each side has to be changed to accept and even invite conversation.

That sure as hell doesn't happen overnight, though, and I don't see any movement in that direction.
.

 

[Meathead]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

The only way it happens is if leaders from both ends of the spectrum successfully challenge their "sides" to put country over party.

The "leaders" may come from politics or popular culture or business or, who the hell knows, maybe sports.

As long as compromise and humility are equated with capitulation, no real progress will be made.
.

What I am asking is if the "spectrum", as you put it, can be moderated. Or is it indeed a permanent state?

Sure, I think it can be moderated, if cooler heads can prevail. The culture of each side has to be changed to accept and even invite conversation.

That sure as hell doesn't happen overnight, though, and I don't see any movement in that direction.
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You have an amazing grasp of the obvious. My question pertains to the future. Will this schism be long-standing? That it is part of the dialectic is a given, but will it moderate itself eventually. As a Greek citizen also I have concerns.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I think its not fixable.
Half the country wants to be socialist and let the government do everything for them, the other half wants to control their own lives without interference.
no matter which way it ends up swinging, there is always going to be a certain segment that insists the other way is better

 

[Mac1958]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

The only way it happens is if leaders from both ends of the spectrum successfully challenge their "sides" to put country over party.

The "leaders" may come from politics or popular culture or business or, who the hell knows, maybe sports.

As long as compromise and humility are equated with capitulation, no real progress will be made.
.

What I am asking is if the "spectrum", as you put it, can be moderated. Or is it indeed a permanent state?

Sure, I think it can be moderated, if cooler heads can prevail. The culture of each side has to be changed to accept and even invite conversation.

That sure as hell doesn't happen overnight, though, and I don't see any movement in that direction.
.

You have an amazing grasp of the obvious. My question pertains to the future. Will this schism be long-standing? That it is part of the dialectic is a given, but will it moderate itself eventually. As a Greek citizen also I have concerns.

Clearly my responses are not up to your standards. My apologies.
.

 

[Meathead]

I think its not fixable.
Half the country wants to be socialist and let the government do everything for them, the other half wants to control their own lives without interference.
no matter which way it ends up swinging, there is always going to be a certain segment that insists the other way is better

A thoughtful response.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It will take at least one generation for America to become "whole" again.
And the generation beginning their adult lives now - are CLEARLY not the generation to do it. Maybe their children.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I'd like to put partisanship aside for a minute, realizing I am no less a transgressor than most on this site.

I am not sure when it started. Perhaps it was during Clinton's impeachment or as a result of reaction to 9/11 including the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath. Regardless, there is a polarization that even someone like Obama who rode a wave of consensus to the WH was unable to stem, although he was well meaning imho.

What we have today is an angry population and an undeniable clash between left and right or whatever terms you prefer. Granted, the public in general is not as extreme as the hotheads on this site, but the schism is undeniable.

My question is, if given an economic recovery, should it happen, will America be made whole again to the extent it had been perhaps 20 years ago? Or is thus schism a permanent result of things like social media, racial/ethnic/religious diversity (and son on)?

The only way it happens is if leaders from both ends of the spectrum successfully challenge their "sides" to put country over party.

The "leaders" may come from politics or popular culture or business or, who the hell knows, maybe sports.

As long as compromise and humility are equated with capitulation, no real progress will be made.
.

What I am asking is if the "spectrum", as you put it, can be moderated. Or is it indeed a permanent state?

Sure, I think it can be moderated, if cooler heads can prevail. The culture of each side has to be changed to accept and even invite conversation.

That sure as hell doesn't happen overnight, though, and I don't see any movement in that direction.
.

You have an amazing grasp of the obvious. My question pertains to the future. Will this schism be long-standing? That it is part of the dialectic is a given, but will it moderate itself eventually. As a Greek citizen also I have concerns.

Clearly my responses are not up to your standards. My apologies.
.

I thought your response was fairly clear and to the point. You even indicated that maybe in the future but no way in the near future.