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Bye Bye Net Neutrality....Another Big Government Obama Program Repealed
- Thread starter ColonelAngus
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As the old saying goes, C4, "vote with your wallet".
please tell us,I'm happy today!
Very very happy!
And I'm thankful ....thankful that President Donald Trump has freed the Internet!
Nothing more need to be said! nothing at all....
apart from ((( Bless Donald Trump! )))
It's all good!
HOW HAS HE FREED IT? How do you think it will be better for us, the consumers, the users?
What do you not like about the past 10 years of using it to make you want to give it all up?
bull crud!it's our internet, our gvt and colleges created it with our money.... these providers didn't do crap to create it and should NOT be controlling who we can view via speed or throttle....
And they can't. They can't even make you buy their product. You must be confusing this with the coercive scheme called obamacare.
They also do not provide the internet but the ACCESS to it, so who created the internet has no relevance. At least any more than invented the car has relevance on what type of gas the gas station can offer.
what is it about the way it is NOW and for the past 20 years that you do not like?
How do you think it will be better under this new rule change for you?
ColonelAngus
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What was specifically wrong with the internet in 2014 that Obama fixed in 2015, that Trump will now bring back?
In 2014, were all of these apocalyptic scenarios a reality?
In 2014, were all of these apocalyptic scenarios a reality?
Lucy Hamilton
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I'm happy today!
Very very happy!
And I'm thankful ....thankful that President Donald Trump has freed the Internet!
Nothing more need to be said! nothing at all....
apart from ((( Bless Donald Trump! )))
It's all good!
This is putting 100% trust in the Big Corporations to do the right thing and be fair to the customers and also fair to small businesses. Do you think you can trust Big Corporations not to rip the people off and also not to destroy small Internet start up companies or even medium sized Internet start up companies?
EG. Someone has been paying 40 a month for their Internet services, there is nothing preventing these Big Corporations now saying that someone must pay 100 a month for the same services they were getting before for 40 a month, there is nothing stopping them adopting a Two Tier Internet system where if they steal more money off the customer that customer can get faster Internet service etc. There also is nothing stopping them saying they don't like X website or Y website so they are going to block and/or restrict a customers access to it, they could if they didn't like this forum block and/or restrict your access to it....and you think this is a positive thing?
Putting 100% trust in Big Corporations never works out well, look what happened with the Big Banking Corporations, essentially a group of snakes in suits.
There is nothing Conservative about any of this, this is pure Corporatism and pure Corporatism is not a good thing.
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please tell us,I'm happy today!
Very very happy!
And I'm thankful ....thankful that President Donald Trump has freed the Internet!
Nothing more need to be said! nothing at all....
apart from ((( Bless Donald Trump! )))
It's all good!
HOW HAS HE FREED IT? How do you think it will be better for us, the consumers, the users?
What do you not like about the past 10 years of using it to make you want to give it all up?
like I said before (are you reading this thread? all of it?)
this quote:
“Net Neutrality” was always about giving control over internet content, and all the downstream consequences therein, to an elite few control agents who use political ideology to control the internet.
We are not going to put up with this....not in America not in the rest of the world
Indeependent
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What choice when they all charge the same rates?And if I had multiple choices for internet providers this remains highly unlikely to happen.I'm quoting:
"The term “Net Neutrality” was always about giving control over internet content, and all the downstream consequences therein, to an elite few control agents who use political ideology to control the internet."
and that ^^^ right there was bad news
The Trump Administration is returning FREEDOM to the internet!
Bless Donald Trump!
Specifically HOW does it do that?
Just an example Twitter and Facebook, etc... these companies have viewpoints and use those viewpoint to discriminate and these companies suspend accounts because they think different to their own ideas????
And you call that "net neutrality" ???
Again
GOD BLESS Donald Trump for freeing the internet!.
No offense meant, but I don't think you understand "net neutrality" - it's not about content. It's not about judging content. Boiled down it means this - providers must provide the equal speed/access to all content. That is what net neutrality is. They can't slow down some and favor others.
Net Neutrality (per the dictionary): the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites.
This is what Trump wants to end.
What you are talking about with Facebook and Twitter has nothing to do with net neutrality.
Not only that but Facebook and Twitter are private companies - they can select content as they want according to their viewpoints if they want. However - they might lose customers if they make bad decisions. In this way they are no different then Fox or Breitbart. Do you think THEY allow all viewpoints?
Now who setup limiting choices again?
Indeependent
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So how did every Thread and site supporting Trump get to see the light of day?please tell us,I'm happy today!
Very very happy!
And I'm thankful ....thankful that President Donald Trump has freed the Internet!
Nothing more need to be said! nothing at all....
apart from ((( Bless Donald Trump! )))
It's all good!
HOW HAS HE FREED IT? How do you think it will be better for us, the consumers, the users?
What do you not like about the past 10 years of using it to make you want to give it all up?
like I said before (are you reading this thread? all of it?)
this quote:
“Net Neutrality” was always about giving control over internet content, and all the downstream consequences therein, to an elite few control agents who use political ideology to control the internet.
We are not going to put up with this....not in America not in the rest of the world
please tell us,I'm happy today!
Very very happy!
And I'm thankful ....thankful that President Donald Trump has freed the Internet!
Nothing more need to be said! nothing at all....
apart from ((( Bless Donald Trump! )))
It's all good!
HOW HAS HE FREED IT? How do you think it will be better for us, the consumers, the users?
What do you not like about the past 10 years of using it to make you want to give it all up?
he hasn't. all the spiteful orange loon did was put it under the control of his corporatist kleptocrat buddies.
you can't explain reality to delusional trumptards.
Curious...
No problems here... If the ISP mess with the internet Google and Apple will just buy controlling interests in the companies with cash on hand and a special FU, they will power down Breitbart and all Alt-right content providers...
When it comes to the internet don't screw with Google, Apple, Amazon.... Every search you do will yield there view of the world... For starters they all are focused on climate change and they kill anto global warming sites...
This is going to be great... They will kill the fake alt-right news...
Is this a conspiracy theory or an assertion based on facts you have on hand? That defeats the whole purpose of "net neutrality" does it not?
Of course, it does but if a player doesn't agree with a rule doesn't mean he won't use it to his advantage... That's the swings and roundabouts... The ISPs are small fry to the larger web operators and they will not a Comcast or anyone control their destiny, is simple risk aversion...
These IT companies are mainly based in San Fran and rest of California, what way do you think they will politically go... They will attack the alt-right fake news sites first... They really don't like them.
They will leverage their position, that's what businesses do and they will yield so much power, they can pick governments... Google has already started to roll out their own network, Facebook is floating there own idea of one too, Apple has $280bn approx which Trump allow them to repatriate for $30bn and that will buy a controlling interest in the top 3 ISP in America for $100bn... Google have about $100 bn...
They will go to town... Google and Apple Movies will kill off Netflix, Sportrights on the internet will have only two bidders and they will block any illegal sites... No torrent downloading... These lads could have you pay for Porn....
Fascinating...Curious...
No problems here... If the ISP mess with the internet Google and Apple will just buy controlling interests in the companies with cash on hand and a special FU, they will power down Breitbart and all Alt-right content providers...
When it comes to the internet don't screw with Google, Apple, Amazon.... Every search you do will yield there view of the world... For starters they all are focused on climate change and they kill anto global warming sites...
This is going to be great... They will kill the fake alt-right news...
Is this a conspiracy theory or an assertion based on facts you have on hand? That defeats the whole purpose of "net neutrality" does it not?
Of course, it does but if a player doesn't agree with a rule doesn't mean he won't use it to his advantage... That's the swings and roundabouts... The ISPs are small fry to the larger web operators and they will not a Comcast or anyone control their destiny, is simple risk aversion...
These IT companies are mainly based in San Fran and rest of California, what way do you think they will politically go... They will attack the alt-right fake news sites first... They really don't like them.
They will leverage their position, that's what businesses do and they will yield so much power, they can pick governments... Google has already started to roll out their own network, Facebook is floating there own idea of one too, Apple has $280bn approx which Trump allow them to repatriate for $30bn and that will buy a controlling interest in the top 3 ISP in America for $100bn... Google have about $100 bn...
They will go to town... Google and Apple Movies will kill off Netflix, Sportrights on the internet will have only two bidders and they will block any illegal sites... No torrent downloading... These lads could have you pay for Porn....
please tell us,I'm happy today!
Very very happy!
And I'm thankful ....thankful that President Donald Trump has freed the Internet!
Nothing more need to be said! nothing at all....
apart from ((( Bless Donald Trump! )))
It's all good!
HOW HAS HE FREED IT? How do you think it will be better for us, the consumers, the users?
What do you not like about the past 10 years of using it to make you want to give it all up?
like I said before (are you reading this thread? all of it?)
this quote:
“Net Neutrality” was always about giving control over internet content, and all the downstream consequences therein, to an elite few control agents who use political ideology to control the internet.
We are not going to put up with this....not in America not in the rest of the world
You idiot... Please actually learn what Net Neutrality is about... And by the way Liberals and Democrats will probably win over time... The companies that want to control the internet are California based, what way do you think they lean?
What will you say when your ISP ban Infowars because it rots your brain...
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GO TRUMP GO!
ERASE THE OBAMA ERA!!
FCC regulators overturn controversial net neutrality rules | Daily Mail Online
This could mean that your service provider could increase what you have to pay, they could triple it if they wanted to, also they could block your access to any website, including this one, I'm not saying they will but you should carefully think about this before getting excited.
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You mean we might have to pay for what we use?! The horror!
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If net neutrality is so important how did we have so much growth on it 46 years of its existence prior to NN regulations?
Lucy Hamilton
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GO TRUMP GO!
ERASE THE OBAMA ERA!!
FCC regulators overturn controversial net neutrality rules | Daily Mail Online
This could mean that your service provider could increase what you have to pay, they could triple it if they wanted to, also they could block your access to any website, including this one, I'm not saying they will but you should carefully think about this before getting excited.
View attachment 165949
You mean we might have to pay for what we use?! The horror!
Um no that's not what I mean.
Someone has been paying 40 a month for their Internet services, there is nothing preventing these Big Corporations now saying that someone must pay 100 a month for the same services they were getting before for 40 a month.
I hope you enjoy being ripped off by the Big Corporations. Also when they start blocking access to websites not considered Politically Correct, well enjoy that also.
ColonelAngus
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It’s government taking control of the internet.
Fuck that.
Fuck that.
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- #238
GO TRUMP GO!
ERASE THE OBAMA ERA!!
FCC regulators overturn controversial net neutrality rules | Daily Mail Online
This could mean that your service provider could increase what you have to pay, they could triple it if they wanted to, also they could block your access to any website, including this one, I'm not saying they will but you should carefully think about this before getting excited.
View attachment 165949
You mean we might have to pay for what we use?! The horror!
Um no that's not what I mean.
Someone has been paying 40 a month for their Internet services, there is nothing preventing these Big Corporations now saying that someone must pay 100 a month for the same services they were getting before for 40 a month.
I hope you enjoy being ripped off by the Big Corporations. Also when they start blocking access to websites not considered Politically Correct, well enjoy that also.
Sure there is.
The next company charging $30
Google that are accountsble to shareholders only. Wether it is media giants or tech giants....they tell us what to read, what is important, what to buy, what value and how to vote.
They can't exist with customers. There will always be other stockholders. Corporations are ALWAYS more scared of their customer relations than their stockholder relations. Because in reality, most corporations keep a VERY LARGE controlling chunk of stock in their own house and with their top management..
Regulation is exactly what has caused the steroidal growth of tech and corp giants. We have damn few NEW business ventures that actually have a useful products to support life and infrastructure. All we've seen for about 15 years now is mergers and acquisitions. Because when you continue to REGULATE and increase legal compliance -- only the LARGE CORPORATIONS are gonna be left. So in reality, you'll get EXACTLY the opposite effect with MORE govt intervention..
Right now -- a "successful" idea and start-up cannot raise enough cash and reporting/legal/regulation infrastructure to "go public" or independent. They are just Scooby Snacks for Google,, Amazon, Facebook or Disney.. So no one can reach the point of being a competitor with the giants.
Just like I pointed out in this one. It virtually FREEZES internet distribution capabilities. No one is gonna pay for bandwidth expansions under Net Neutrality. In 6 or 10 years, the govt will be back trying to BUILD that capability with tax dollars...
It's not regulation that caused that - it's evolution. Look at how the world was before - you had company towns, where one interest owned everything. You had monopolies that could simply crush competition. If they are powerful enough they aren't going to care too much about customer relations because customers have no one else. The problem is entities that get too large and too powerful they OWN politics. The problem is all that money flowing into our political system. The end result? One example - the tax bill - a give away to all those corporate donors who bought their politicians.
That was 100 years ago.. And confined to certain manufacturers and mining operations. It was still possible to COMPETE with the "big boys".. Cant be done today. Is NOT being done today. Because you need a literal ARMY of regulation and legal compliance to move above a certain size level. So NEW potential competition just gets EATEN alive by those BIG ENOUGH to comply with all that regulation..
Tax bill is not a give away to corporations. What needs to be fixed is all the targeted TAX BREAKS need to be killed. And NEITHER party will do that. Bernie was harping on how GE paid no taxes. Not at 35% OR 21%. But Bernie acted deaf and dumb as to WHY that happens. But HE KNOWS.. It's those targeted tax breaks that BOTH parties like to trade power for campaign cash.. Things like giving GE a $50 tax credit for every "energy efficient large appliance" that they sell. They accumulated SO MUCH CREDIT, they'd not have to pay A FUCKING PENNY for years. Only the Lparty or some principled socialist party would make that a high tax reform priority. Doesn't matter what the RATE is if you're handing out pork like a church picnic.
You can continue to watch jobs move overseas or fix it. Because it's easier to move or invert your company into a lower tax country.
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