Businessman Roosevelt.

[PoliticalChic]

7. Let's flesh out the Franklin Roosevelt we have come to know.

Neither law nor business beckoned. But Roosevelt could influence men! That was his métier!


Oliver Wendell Holmes observed that Roosevelt had "a second class intellect. But a first-class temperament!"
It was all about smiles, handshakes, and speeches! And without a teleprompter, no less!



a. Later Woodrow Wilson found a certain simpatico with Roosevelt, and appointed him as Assistant Secretary of the Navy. And Roosevelt seemed to assimilate Wilson's view of what a politician should be.


a.In his 1890 essay, “Leaders of Men,” Wilson explained that a “true leader” uses the masses like “tools.” He must inflame their passions with little heed for the facts.

“Men are as clay in the hands of the consummate leader.” “No doubt a lot of nonsense has been talked about the inalienable rights of the individual, and a great deal that was mere sentiment and pleasing speculation has been put forward as fundamental principle,” wrote Wilson, attacking the very individual rights that have made America great.

He rejected the principles of “separation of powers” and “checks and balances” that are the foundation of American government:
“Government does now whatever experience permits or the times demand….” wrote Wilson in "The State."

Meaning, whatever the President/King decided.



Sounds a lot like the Franklin Roosevelt we know, doesn't it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. This thread was titled "Businessman Roosevelt."

He certainly wanted to add that title to his other ones.....

Franklin had a high opinion of himself....he was certain he could make his mark in business, as well. Let's see how he did:

"....he pursued futile schemes to drill oil in Wyoming, buy ships to cross the Atlantic, and sell stamps that were premoistened....tried to corner the live lobster market...lost $26,000 before bailing out.....he assumed that airplanes were only a passing fad, and he invested in a line of airships, called dirigibles,....tried buying and selling German marks, planting thousands of trees, making cash with vending machines,....lost money in his resort for polio patients in Warm Springs, Georgia- and then, to top that off, he lost more money farming the land nearby."
"A First Class Temperament: The Emergence of Franklin Roosevelt, 1905-1928,"
by Geoffrey C. Ward, p. 658, 756, 768-769, 793; Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal," p.24-25



a. "Roosevelt knows nothing about finance, but he doesn't know he doesn't know." Franklin Lane, Woodrow Wilson's Sec'y of the Interior
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This, while the son of another Dutch family did considerably better: Cornelius Vanderbilt, and other poor men, sometimes immigrants, took the lead in oil, steel and railroads.

Such was the provenance of Franklin Roosevelt's hatred of the successful.


Perhaps he even said 'You didn't build that.'

 

[regent]

7. Let's flesh out the Franklin Roosevelt we have come to know.

Neither law nor business beckoned. But Roosevelt could influence men! That was his métier!


Oliver Wendell Holmes observed that Roosevelt had "a second class intellect. But a first-class temperament!"
It was all about smiles, handshakes, and speeches! And without a teleprompter, no less!



a. Later Woodrow Wilson found a certain simpatico with Roosevelt, and appointed him as Assistant Secretary of the Navy. And Roosevelt seemed to assimilate Wilson's view of what a politician should be.


a.In his 1890 essay, “Leaders of Men,” Wilson explained that a “true leader” uses the masses like “tools.” He must inflame their passions with little heed for the facts.

“Men are as clay in the hands of the consummate leader.” “No doubt a lot of nonsense has been talked about the inalienable rights of the individual, and a great deal that was mere sentiment and pleasing speculation has been put forward as fundamental principle,” wrote Wilson, attacking the very individual rights that have made America great.

He rejected the principles of “separation of powers” and “checks and balances” that are the foundation of American government:
“Government does now whatever experience permits or the times demand….” wrote Wilson in "The State."

Meaning, whatever the President/King decided.



Sounds a lot like the Franklin Roosevelt we know, doesn't it.

It doesn't look like all those historians that rated the presidents knew Wilson was able to speak for FDR? Had they only known before the last rating presidential rating they certainly would not have voted FDR America's greatest president. I'll ask you one more time get this information to those historians as soon as possible.

 

[SmedlyButler]

Business did quite well under FDR

At the beginning of his term they were failing left and right, by the end of his term we were an economic superpower

This Quixotic hobby of hers to demonize Roosevelt will always stumble on one immutable fact, that before him America was a second class military power mired in the worst depression in the nations history, and after him America was the most powerful, richest nation on Earth. A nation whose primacy in world affairs continues 75 years on. For all the Devils she tries to raise in the details the silk purse refuses to become a sow's ear.

We all have our hobbies, she's chosen one that is destined to remain unfinished, as a model ship builder's opus who's plans sadly lack spcifications for the keel

 

[PoliticalChic]

Business did quite well under FDR

At the beginning of his term they were failing left and right, by the end of his term we were an economic superpower

This Quixotic hobby of hers to demonize Roosevelt will always stumble on one immutable fact, that before him America was a second class military power mired in the worst depression in the nations history, and after him America was the most powerful, richest nation on Earth. A nation whose primacy in world affairs continues 75 years on. For all the Devils she tries to raise in the details the silk purse refuses to become a sow's ear.

We all have our hobbies, she's chosen one that is destined to remain unfinished, as a model ship builder's opus who's plans sadly lack spcifications for the keel

Let me count up all of the errors you've found in my series of posts......


...hmmmm.....


...NONE????


So, we agree, once again, I am 100% correct as to every single point I've raised.
Now don't pretend you're not impressed!


OK...Great!






Oooops......didn't mean to interrupt your slobbering adoration of Franklin Roosevelt.

Carry on.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Business did quite well under FDR

At the beginning of his term they were failing left and right, by the end of his term we were an economic superpower

This Quixotic hobby of hers to demonize Roosevelt will always stumble on one immutable fact, that before him America was a second class military power mired in the worst depression in the nations history, and after him America was the most powerful, richest nation on Earth. A nation whose primacy in world affairs continues 75 years on. For all the Devils she tries to raise in the details the silk purse refuses to become a sow's ear.

We all have our hobbies, she's chosen one that is destined to remain unfinished, as a model ship builder's opus who's plans sadly lack spcifications for the keel

Know what?

Just for you....I'll teach you more about your hero tomorrow.


'k?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Business did quite well under FDR

At the beginning of his term they were failing left and right, by the end of his term we were an economic superpower

This Quixotic hobby of hers to demonize Roosevelt will always stumble on one immutable fact, that before him America was a second class military power mired in the worst depression in the nations history, and after him America was the most powerful, richest nation on Earth. A nation whose primacy in world affairs continues 75 years on. For all the Devils she tries to raise in the details the silk purse refuses to become a sow's ear.

We all have our hobbies, she's chosen one that is destined to remain unfinished, as a model ship builder's opus who's plans sadly lack spcifications for the keel

The critical fact you are ignoring, of course, is this: the ONLY industrialized nation in the world NOT shattered by the war was the United States.

 

[Old Rocks]

President Franklin Roosevelt will forever be remembered here and abroad as a Great American President. The detractors on this board will be forgotten a fews days after the funeral.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

President Franklin Roosevelt will forever be remembered here and abroad as a Great American President. The detractors on this board will be forgotten a fews days after the funeral.

But I'll have lived my life on my terms. I earned every cent I ever made. I had the courage to stand up for what I believed.

I wouldn't trade that for being an FDR suck up for anything. FDR called a guy who just starved 3 million children to death his "Uncle", that's not my hero. You can keep him

 

[PoliticalChic]

Business did quite well under FDR

At the beginning of his term they were failing left and right, by the end of his term we were an economic superpower

This Quixotic hobby of hers to demonize Roosevelt will always stumble on one immutable fact, that before him America was a second class military power mired in the worst depression in the nations history, and after him America was the most powerful, richest nation on Earth. A nation whose primacy in world affairs continues 75 years on. For all the Devils she tries to raise in the details the silk purse refuses to become a sow's ear.

We all have our hobbies, she's chosen one that is destined to remain unfinished, as a model ship builder's opus who's plans sadly lack spcifications for the keel

OK....now where was I??

Oh...right....instructing our coterie of Roosevelt groupies how terribly they've been misled.
Let's begin with a word or two from the 'Good Book'...

Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
(Daniel 2:31-33)




9.Divide and conquer has proven to be a winning strategy for the Democrats, but few were better at than Franklin Roosevelt. Add to that, his hatred of those who could do what he couldn't, and one is well on the way to understanding the 32nd President.

a. "Over the course of his presidency, FDR waged war on businesses. He would demagogue big business in his speeches because he knew that business owners could take him down. They were the ones suffering the most, and they knew it was FDR’s policies that were hurting the economy.

Roosevelt tried to create a divided culture. Turning the “rich” against the poor, the middle class against the rich, and average citizens against business. Class warfare was the only way he believed he could keep his job."
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So....did he "... demagogue big business..."?

Yup. Right from the get-go!
Here from the horse's mouth....or, more correctly, the guy with the feet of clay:

b. "We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred."
Franklin Roosevelt's Address Announcing the Second New Deal
October 31, 1936




Wow.....he attacks them, and then he says "...They are unanimous in their hate for me..."

One of those self-fulfilling prophesies.....and you bought it like it was on sale!



I hope you're taking notes, Smugly~

 

[editec]

TEDDY was the true hero of that family.

FDR save capitalism just as Bush II and Obama have both had to do recently.

Kinda early for elbow-bending, isn't it?

It's never too early for the truth, PC.

 

[PoliticalChic]

TEDDY was the true hero of that family.

FDR save capitalism just as Bush II and Obama have both had to do recently.

Kinda early for elbow-bending, isn't it?

It's never too early for the truth, PC.

But I fear, for you.......too late.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR was such an arrogant Staling loving scumbag, he thought he could tell Kosher butchers in Brooklyn how to sell their chickens! His was a reign of economic terror, where citizens had no idea where the next blow would land.

A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corporation v. United States | Casebriefs

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It was FDR who declared hemp, the plant that supported entire civilizations, illegal

 

[regent]

Since 1800, if ever there was a period in American history that demanded we create a new economic system it was the Great Depression. And if America ever had a president that had the power to make the change to a new economic system it was FDR. When the smoke cleared from the Great Depression, however, America still had capitalism; true, FDR made some changes to benefit the American people as well as business, and those changes have been added to since, and are still being added to at this time.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Since 1800, if ever there was a period in American history that demanded we create a new economic system it was the Great Depression. And if America ever had a president that had the power to make the change to a new economic system it was FDR. When the smoke cleared from the Great Depression, however, America still had capitalism; true, FDR made some changes to benefit the American people as well as business, and those changes have been added to since, and are still being added to at this time.

Compared to Coolidge, FDR was a pile of ant crap. Coolidge started with a disastrous economy, as bad as the one FDR inherited and within 18 months unemployment dropped from 12% down to 4%. At the end of Silent Cal's second term you couldn't find an unemployed person in America. Coolidge gave us the Roaring 20's: an America that was driving, wired for electricity and working.

FDR took a bad economy and used it to start creating a permanent underclass of peons, serfs and indentured servants. FDR gave us an economy worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years. Had he followed precedent and only served 2 terms, he would have had the worst economic record in all of human history

 

[PoliticalChic]

Since 1800, if ever there was a period in American history that demanded we create a new economic system it was the Great Depression. And if America ever had a president that had the power to make the change to a new economic system it was FDR. When the smoke cleared from the Great Depression, however, America still had capitalism; true, FDR made some changes to benefit the American people as well as business, and those changes have been added to since, and are still being added to at this time.

Your post is so bogus that I am inspired to come up with another OP blasting FDR's handling of the Depression.

But, for now.....



10. Not only was FDR a failure at enterprise, but recognized as such by friends and foes alike.

Roosevelt seemed to have a desire to punish the ones who rejected him, who could succeed where he failed. As a powerful politician, he could do just that.

Just how could he be in control of the success of the successful?

"Roosevelt described his desire to see government intervene in the economy as such: We need government intervention “to inject life into our ailing economic order.” And create a “More equitable distribution of national income.”



Prior to FDR’s presidency, the secretary of the treasury was Andrew Mellon. He created a plan that cut taxes on high income from 73% to 24%, and on smaller incomes from 4% to 1/2%. There was an immediate economic boom. One would think that a President who intended to defeat a depression would have learned from that success....

However, by 1939, FDR had set the top income tax rate at a staggering 79%.
Businesses were no longer taking risks and investing because they could keep so little of their money. FDR was upset that businesses wouldn’t pay more in taxes to fund his various programs and still invest in the economy.
Higher taxes, as we have learned, do not stimulate growth or increase revenue to the government.
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[PoliticalChic]

Another indication of how little Roosevelt understood business is his cavalier attitude toward taxes.


11. The huge tax burden necessary to provide the entitlements and fund federal welfare programs can be laid at the feet of the New Deal. Before 1940, only 5% of Americans paid any income tax, and the maximum was 25%. By the end of WWII, 2/3 of American families paid income tax- and it started at 24%, with a $500 exemption.

a. It went up to 94% over $200k. So, if one earned $300k, one kept only $6000 of the last $100k.

b. Withholding was re-introduced so the government got the money immediately. (Had been repealed in 1916.)

c. The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of Democrat A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor:

“[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”




The "government" is another name for "the collective."
Via taxation, no individual can lay claim to owning anything.



12. "Roosevelt went on to offer a theory of wealth that modern-day observers will recognize as a much more pointed precursor to the famous “who built that” debate of the 2012 election. “ Wealth in the modern world does not come merely from individual effort,” Roosevelt said. “It results from a combination of individual effort and of the manifold uses to which the community puts that effort. The individual does not create the product of his industry with his own hands; he utilizes the many processes and forces of mass production to meet the demands of a national and international market.”
War On Wealthy 1% Is Nothing New - Forbes


So....do our FDR-fans subscribe to the FDR/Happy Chandler view?

 

[PoliticalChic]

13. Never letting a crisis go to waste, as it is said, FDR had businessmen on the ropes!

FDR's mishandling of the recession into a depression, and extending it by years, played right into his hands! But the coming war changed that. He had to change his tune with respect to the business community.


a. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”
"FDR Goes to War: How Expanded Executive Power, Spiraling National Debt, and Restricted Civil Liberties Shaped..,". by Burton W. Folsom Jr. and Anita Folsom , p.4


b. As poorly as Roosevlt handled the economy, an indication of how poor FDR was at protecting the nation can be seen here: While the FDR administration won the war, there is reason to believe that military decisions made things worse. Due to cuts in military spending through the 30’s as a percentage of the federal budget, the United States was woefully unprepared for war. The US was 17th in the world in military strength, and this ultimately let us into a two-ocean war.

c. Ambassador Grew begged FDR to put off the embargo of oil and scrap iron, and work with the Japanese ‘peace party’…he would not.

d. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.
Ibid.




Let's not forget that Roosevelt also decided to support Stalin, but underestimated his ambitions and abilities in the same way that he underestimated the Japanese.

Had we not helped Stalin, at least to the extent we did, we would never have had the Iron Curtain and decades of the Cold War, the Korean War, or Communist China.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

13. Never letting a crisis go to waste, as it is said, FDR had businessmen on the ropes!

FDR's mishandling of the recession into a depression, and extending it by years, played right into his hands! But the coming war changed that. He had to change his tune with respect to the business community.


a. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”
"FDR Goes to War: How Expanded Executive Power, Spiraling National Debt, and Restricted Civil Liberties Shaped..,". by Burton W. Folsom Jr. and Anita Folsom , p.4


b. As poorly as Roosevlt handled the economy, an indication of how poor FDR was at protecting the nation can be seen here: While the FDR administration won the war, there is reason to believe that military decisions made things worse. Due to cuts in military spending through the 30’s as a percentage of the federal budget, the United States was woefully unprepared for war. The US was 17th in the world in military strength, and this ultimately let us into a two-ocean war.

c. Ambassador Grew begged FDR to put off the embargo of oil and scrap iron, and work with the Japanese ‘peace party’…he would not.

d. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.
Ibid.


Let's not forget that Roosevelt also decided to support Stalin, but underestimated his ambitions and abilities in the same way that he underestimated the Japanese.

Had we not helped Stalin, at least to the extent we did, we would never have had the Iron Curtain and decades of the Cold War, the Korean War, or Communist China.

FDR befriended Stalin AFTER Uncle Joe staved 3 million children to death in the Ukraine.

When you look at the actual track record of FDR -- it's just shocking how awful he was