Bush Warns Russia to Honor Cease-Fire Agreement

[midcan5]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Realbraveaudio]

Obama for President!

 

[Charles_Main]

I'm still not convinced Russia was totally wrong. And the EU doesn't want Georgia in NATO, I'm guessing because they don't want to fight a war for them against Russia.

This president sounds a bit loopy from what I was just reading on the New York Time's website.

Europe does not want Georgia in NATO because Russia does not. See the dirty little truth about Europe is they are completely at the will of Russia. Because they Now get the vast amount of their Natural gas and Oil from Russia, and they can not afford to piss them off.

Reagan warned them years ago not to let themselves become dependent on Russia for their energy and they did not listen, and now they are in a tough situation.

 

[dilloduck]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I haven't accused either side of anything--WTF are you talking about?

 

[Ravi]

I'm doing a lot more quoting of Richard Holbrook today than I'm comfortable with...lol. After all he is a big lib, a former ambassador for Clinton and an Obama supporter, but if you still have questions, just Google what he has been saying about Russia for the past several years up to and including today. At least you shouldn't be suspicious of his motives.

The EU issue. First, the EU is not a member of NATO, so they don't get a vote. But, some of the countries are members of both the EU and NATO. Georgian full NATO membership was opposed by 6 of 26 countries in the April meeting, but: (from NATO's web site)



So, I'm not sure what you report is accurate. The actual stated reason for opposition is they were concerned about not doing anything to irritate Russia. So, not far from right.

I'm not sure about the loopiness of their President. My guess is that if you were just attacked by Russia with 1.1 million men under arms to your 37,000, you'd sound a bit loopy too.....

I shouldn't be suspicious of an Obama supporter? What planet do you live on?

Yes, he does sound loopy. And since they attacked the O.S. first, I can't rule out that he isn't playing a game himself.

 

[Ravi]

Propaganda flying everywhere.

Yes. From all sides. I don't know about you, but the last time we listened to propaganda we ended up invading Iraq, so I'm a bit suspicious of all side's motives.

 

[ReillyT]

They want to be free from Russian rule. Russia won't let them. Does that clear things up ?

I don't know much about Georgia, so please correct me where I am mistaken on the facts.

My understanding is that Georgia militarily reclaimed portions of South Ossetia, which is a breakaway province composed mostly of ethnic Russians seeking to secede. Russia intervened to help the ethnic Russians in South Ossetia.

Aside from the past history of genocide, which I don't deny is a huge factor, isn't this similar to what is happening in Kosovo, where a Serbian government wishes to restore its territorial integrity by reclaiming the polity? How can we justify our actions in Kosovo, where we recognize and support a breakaway province composed of a seperate ethnic group (against Russia and Serbia's wishes), while at the same time criticizing Russia (too strongly) for acting in their sphere of influence to protect a breakaway province of a separate ethnic group?

I find this situation to be a bit muddled from a moral point of view.

 

[Ravi]

Europe does not want Georgia in NATO because Russia does not. See the dirty little truth about Europe is they are completely at the will of Russia. Because they Now get the vast amount of their Natural gas and Oil from Russia, and they can not afford to piss them off.

Reagan warned them years ago not to let themselves become dependent on Russia for their energy and they did not listen, and now they are in a tough situation.

Oh, God, Reagan. Now I know we are about to be screwed.

 

[dilloduck]

Yes. From all sides. I don't know about you, but the last time we listened to propaganda we ended up invading Iraq, so I'm a bit suspicious of all side's motives.

East-West finger pointing all over again. It's all about the oil.

 

[Ravi]

East-West finger pointing all over again. It's all about the oil.

Isn't everything these days? One day we'll learn and find an alternative. Maybe.

btw...half-assed clown would be a good tag line for you...catchier.

 

[Charles_Main]

Oh, God, Reagan. Now I know we are about to be screwed.

What are you saying? That just because Reagan told them not to become defendant on Russia for their energy, that it must have been poor advice? Do you think it is wise of them to get The Vast majority of the NG, and Oil from a nation with a History like Russia's? A nation that used to Dominate half of Europe and would love to do so again?


Mark my words as Europe becomes more and more defendant on Russia from their energy resources. They will drift further and further away from us, and become more and more beholden to Russia. If you think this is a good thing, then well, frankly you are insane.

 

[CA95380]

hmmmn .... I still think we need to keep our nose out of it

The US has a way of saying ..... "Oppps! A little to late."

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein

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[dilloduck]

hmmmn .... I still think we need to keep our nose out of it

The US has a way of saying ..... "Oppps! A little to late."



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Too late--we've been helping them for years. OIL.

 

[Charles_Main]

hmmmn .... I still think we need to keep our nose out of it

The US has a way of saying ..... "Oppps! A little to late."



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OH I agree we should stay out of it. Georgia and Europe both made their own beds here, let them lie in them.

 

[CA95380]

Too late--we've been helping them for years. OIL.

Iraq has OIL ...

.... What does Georgia have that we want

 

[Charles_Main]

Iraq has OIL ...

.... What does Georgia have that we want

Nothing but a major Oil and Gas pipe line that transports Caucus gas, and Oil to Europe.

 

[CA95380]

Nothing but a major Oil and Gas pipe line that transports Caucus gas, and Oil to Europe.

Ahhhhh .... thanks I did not know that. Now we have a reason to butt in

 

[dilloduck]

Ahhhhh .... thanks I did not know that. Now we have a reason to butt in

Not as much as Europe does.

 

[Charles_Main]

Ahhhhh .... thanks I did not know that. Now we have a reason to butt in

Not in my mind we don't, You did see where I said we should stay out of this right?

 

[CA95380]

Not in my mind we don't, You did see where I said we should stay out of this right?

Yes. I did see where you thought we should stay out of this.