Building the Border Fence - A Public/Private Partnership

[bripat9643]

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They want more illegals (Democrat voters) in this country.

And Republicans want cheap third world labor.

Hmmm, no they don't. They would have to compete with that cheap labor.

 

[bripat9643]

Nope. There's no law that says anyone can be arrested for hiring illegals.

You've already admitted there are fines. How are the fines imposed....by writing a traffic ticket?

You think people have to be arrested to impose fines?

 

[danielpalos]

Nope. There's no law that says anyone can be arrested for hiring illegals.

You've already admitted there are fines. How are the fines imposed....by writing a traffic ticket?

You think people have to be arrested to impose fines?

Maybe, if the defendant wants a trial by jury.

 

[Flopper]

This idea should make liberal heads explode, the main reason being that it would obviously work:

US-Mexico Border Tighter Border Security Requires Mexico s Cooperation

To quickly secure our Southern Border, open the construction of the border fence to public and private sponsorship. Crowd source it.

If individuals, private organizations, and state or local governments with jurisdiction were allowed to finance construction of one mile segments, build out would occur quickly, leaving only a subset for the Federal Government to finance.

What do you think of this as a "power down" solution for a future Republican Administration?​

What would he arrest them for?

Violating the law.

Nope. There's no law that says anyone can be arrested for hiring illegals.

Like most of our laws pertaining to immigration, it's full of loopholes. The penalty is just a fine which is what Republicans wanted when they passed it in 1986.
8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens

 

[danielpalos]

This idea should make liberal heads explode, the main reason being that it would obviously work:

US-Mexico Border Tighter Border Security Requires Mexico s Cooperation

To quickly secure our Southern Border, open the construction of the border fence to public and private sponsorship. Crowd source it.

If individuals, private organizations, and state or local governments with jurisdiction were allowed to finance construction of one mile segments, build out would occur quickly, leaving only a subset for the Federal Government to finance.

What do you think of this as a "power down" solution for a future Republican Administration?​

What would he arrest them for?

Violating the law.

Nope. There's no law that says anyone can be arrested for hiring illegals.

Like most of our laws pertaining to immigration, it's full of loopholes. The penalty is just a fine which is what Republicans wanted when they passed it in 1986.
8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens

There is no willful Appeal to Ignorance of our Commerce Clause, or a federal Doctrine, or State laws regarding the concept of employment at will.

 

[bripat9643]

This idea should make liberal heads explode, the main reason being that it would obviously work:

US-Mexico Border Tighter Border Security Requires Mexico s Cooperation

To quickly secure our Southern Border, open the construction of the border fence to public and private sponsorship. Crowd source it.

If individuals, private organizations, and state or local governments with jurisdiction were allowed to finance construction of one mile segments, build out would occur quickly, leaving only a subset for the Federal Government to finance.

What do you think of this as a "power down" solution for a future Republican Administration?​

What would he arrest them for?

Violating the law.

Nope. There's no law that says anyone can be arrested for hiring illegals.

Like most of our laws pertaining to immigration, it's full of loopholes. The penalty is just a fine which is what Republicans wanted when they passed it in 1986.
8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens

In other words there is no law that says the government can arrest a business owners for hiring illegal aliens - exactly as I said. So OnePOS is asking a nonsensical question.

 

[OnePercenter]

You think people have to be arrested to impose fines?

For felonies, yes. You'd know that if you were an American.

 

[OnePercenter]

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In other words there is no law that says the government can arrest a business owners for hiring illegal aliens - exactly as I said. So OnePOS is asking a nonsensical question.

8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens


What Are the Penalties For Hiring An Illegal Immigrant?
For first offenders, there is a $250-$2,000 fine per illegal employee.

For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.

For employers who have been convicted of hiring illegal immigrants more than twice, the fine can range from $3000-$10,000 per employee. If the employer demonstrates a pervasive pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants, he or she could face additional fines, and up to six months in jail.

This does not include “harboring” illegal immigrants, or knowingly employing ten or more illegal immigrants in one year. Harboring an illegal immigrant can lead to ten years of prison time.

Additionally, under the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) act, employers hiring illegal immigrants have been sued, resulting in large settlements. The lawfully documented workers of the Zirkle Fruit Company recently settled a class action lawsuit brought under RICO. The suit alleged that their employer knowingly hired undocumented workers, driving down their wages.

 

[danielpalos]

This idea should make liberal heads explode, the main reason being that it would obviously work:

US-Mexico Border Tighter Border Security Requires Mexico s Cooperation

To quickly secure our Southern Border, open the construction of the border fence to public and private sponsorship. Crowd source it.

If individuals, private organizations, and state or local governments with jurisdiction were allowed to finance construction of one mile segments, build out would occur quickly, leaving only a subset for the Federal Government to finance.

What do you think of this as a "power down" solution for a future Republican Administration?​

What would he arrest them for?

Violating the law.

Nope. There's no law that says anyone can be arrested for hiring illegals.

Like most of our laws pertaining to immigration, it's full of loopholes. The penalty is just a fine which is what Republicans wanted when they passed it in 1986.
8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens

In other words there is no law that says the government can arrest a business owners for hiring illegal aliens - exactly as I said. So OnePOS is asking a nonsensical question.

Exactly, simply because willfully appealing to ignorance of our Commerce Clause and laws regarding employment at will, should be morally equivalent to "running from the law".

 

[bripat9643]

You think people have to be arrested to impose fines?

For felonies, yes. You'd know that if you were an American.

You keep trying to convince everyone that you're an imbecile. We know they arrest people for felonies. Is hiring an illegal alien a felony?

 

[danielpalos]

Not if any employer feels any more Patriotic than Al Capone.

 

[Jarlaxle]

How many employers are going to continue to hire illegals if there's jail time involved?

Why do leftwing turds think the solution to every problem is to put business owners in prison? Just admit you're only goal is to punish business owners and not to solve the illegal alien problem.

Our little infant doesn't care about Americans breaking the law, just the taco *******.

Obviously you and all the other turds don't really care about stopping illegal immigration. Punishing business owners is more important that actually doing something about the problem. You're all a bunch of scumbags who are happy to watch your country swirl down the toilet bowl.

Let's us all know when we should begin enforcing American law there my little infant.

Start enforcing them all right now. Tell me when a Democrat enforces any immigration law. I won't be holding my breath.

BTW, there is no jail time for hiring an illegal. That's just a libturd wet dream.

There should be. Say, 5 years for the first offense, 10 for the second, and LWOP for a third.

 

[danielpalos]

Why do leftwing turds think the solution to every problem is to put business owners in prison? Just admit you're only goal is to punish business owners and not to solve the illegal alien problem.

Our little infant doesn't care about Americans breaking the law, just the taco *******.

Obviously you and all the other turds don't really care about stopping illegal immigration. Punishing business owners is more important that actually doing something about the problem. You're all a bunch of scumbags who are happy to watch your country swirl down the toilet bowl.

Let's us all know when we should begin enforcing American law there my little infant.

Start enforcing them all right now. Tell me when a Democrat enforces any immigration law. I won't be holding my breath.

BTW, there is no jail time for hiring an illegal. That's just a libturd wet dream.

There should be. Say, 5 years for the first offense, 10 for the second, and LWOP for a third.

No, there shouldn't be; we have a Commerce Clause and a federal Doctrine in American law and State laws regarding the concept of Employment (and Contract at will).

 

[bripat9643]

Why do leftwing turds think the solution to every problem is to put business owners in prison? Just admit you're only goal is to punish business owners and not to solve the illegal alien problem.

Our little infant doesn't care about Americans breaking the law, just the taco *******.

Obviously you and all the other turds don't really care about stopping illegal immigration. Punishing business owners is more important that actually doing something about the problem. You're all a bunch of scumbags who are happy to watch your country swirl down the toilet bowl.

Let's us all know when we should begin enforcing American law there my little infant.

Start enforcing them all right now. Tell me when a Democrat enforces any immigration law. I won't be holding my breath.

BTW, there is no jail time for hiring an illegal. That's just a libturd wet dream.

There should be. Say, 5 years for the first offense, 10 for the second, and LWOP for a third.

Fuck that. Just go after the people who are violating our border. Fines are more than adequate. However, the severest penalties in the world don't amount to a hill of beans of the they aren't ever imposes on anyone.

 

[FA_Q2]

ROFL you think the coast guard has slowed illegal drug smuggling? You'd have to be the biggest moron on the face of the planet to believe illegals don't come by boat. The biggest moron on the planet. I lived in South Florida. I still visit South Florida. I spent a lot of time out in the water. I used to listen to the planes fly in dropping mj bales and cocaine in the everglades when I lived in corals springs. I'd watch them pick the stuff up with air boats and such as we fished out in the glades. ROFL... Some get caught but it's a small small percentage and more for show than actual security.

The US has 94,000 miles of coast line. Florida has over 8,000. Bringing in illegals and drugs in by boat would be no problem. Unless law enforcement is tipped off, the chance of being caught has to be very small. The only problem with bring in illegals by boat is the cost. About 10% of illegals do enter the US by boat.

Ayup... and if you increase the cost of entering by land you'll just push more people into boats.

And if you build a wall, they'll tunnel under it or fly over it. You can't solve the illegal immigration problem without addressing the reason why they are coming.

If it was so easy, then people would have had no trouble escaping East Germany. We would also still be hearing about suicide bombers killing Israelis. The claim that it's so easy to build tunnels and so hard to stop them is obvious horseshit. It's just another excuse to do nothing.

Like the East Germans, Republicans see beefing up boarder security as a tactic to avoid dealing with the problems. Republicans just want to delay any legislation until they have full control of government which may take two years, four years, 8 years, or however long it takes.
Beefing up border security is not a magical solution for our illegal immigration problems. It doesn't address the 11 to 20 million illegal immigrants in the US except to prompted large numbers of them to remain in the U.S. permanently. Most illegal immigrants in the US want to return to home but only if they feel they can return to the US. It doesn't address the conflicting laws that have created jobs for over 10,000 immigration lawyers. It also doesn't address the millions of illegal immigrants that are entering this country legally and are living in the US with expired visas. Nor does it address those whose parents brought them into the US as children or dozens of other shortcomings in the existing laws..

You are incorrect - the right has no intention of sealing the border either. They had full control for a number of years and they managed to pass.......

Ya, more talk without action.

 

[bripat9643]

The US has 94,000 miles of coast line. Florida has over 8,000. Bringing in illegals and drugs in by boat would be no problem. Unless law enforcement is tipped off, the chance of being caught has to be very small. The only problem with bring in illegals by boat is the cost. About 10% of illegals do enter the US by boat.

Ayup... and if you increase the cost of entering by land you'll just push more people into boats.

And if you build a wall, they'll tunnel under it or fly over it. You can't solve the illegal immigration problem without addressing the reason why they are coming.

If it was so easy, then people would have had no trouble escaping East Germany. We would also still be hearing about suicide bombers killing Israelis. The claim that it's so easy to build tunnels and so hard to stop them is obvious horseshit. It's just another excuse to do nothing.

Like the East Germans, Republicans see beefing up boarder security as a tactic to avoid dealing with the problems. Republicans just want to delay any legislation until they have full control of government which may take two years, four years, 8 years, or however long it takes.
Beefing up border security is not a magical solution for our illegal immigration problems. It doesn't address the 11 to 20 million illegal immigrants in the US except to prompted large numbers of them to remain in the U.S. permanently. Most illegal immigrants in the US want to return to home but only if they feel they can return to the US. It doesn't address the conflicting laws that have created jobs for over 10,000 immigration lawyers. It also doesn't address the millions of illegal immigrants that are entering this country legally and are living in the US with expired visas. Nor does it address those whose parents brought them into the US as children or dozens of other shortcomings in the existing laws..

You are incorrect - the right has no intention of sealing the border either. They had full control for a number of years and they managed to pass.......

Ya, more talk without action.

According to that theory, then the left has no intention of passing amnesty, but we all know that's bullshit. They've tried many times to pass it, and hey whine about it incessantly.

 

[danielpalos]

The left may have more of a problem with a timeless, abomination of hypocrisy than with human sexuality in modern times.

 

[Flopper]

This idea should make liberal heads explode, the main reason being that it would obviously work:

US-Mexico Border Tighter Border Security Requires Mexico s Cooperation

To quickly secure our Southern Border, open the construction of the border fence to public and private sponsorship. Crowd source it.

If individuals, private organizations, and state or local governments with jurisdiction were allowed to finance construction of one mile segments, build out would occur quickly, leaving only a subset for the Federal Government to finance.

What do you think of this as a "power down" solution for a future Republican Administration?​

What would he arrest them for?

Violating the law.

Nope. There's no law that says anyone can be arrested for hiring illegals.

Like most of our laws pertaining to immigration, it's full of loopholes. The penalty is just a fine which is what Republicans wanted when they passed it in 1986.
8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens

In other words there is no law that says the government can arrest a business owners for hiring illegal aliens - exactly as I said. So OnePOS is asking a nonsensical question.

Yes, there is a law that makes it illegal to hire illegal immigrants and people can be arrested for violating it. The penalty is a fine up to $3,000/occurrence and imprisonment up to 6 months.

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[bripat9643]

This idea should make liberal heads explode, the main reason being that it would obviously work:

US-Mexico Border Tighter Border Security Requires Mexico s Cooperation

To quickly secure our Southern Border, open the construction of the border fence to public and private sponsorship. Crowd source it.

If individuals, private organizations, and state or local governments with jurisdiction were allowed to finance construction of one mile segments, build out would occur quickly, leaving only a subset for the Federal Government to finance.

What do you think of this as a "power down" solution for a future Republican Administration?​

What would he arrest them for?

Violating the law.

Nope. There's no law that says anyone can be arrested for hiring illegals.

Like most of our laws pertaining to immigration, it's full of loopholes. The penalty is just a fine which is what Republicans wanted when they passed it in 1986.
8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens

In other words there is no law that says the government can arrest a business owners for hiring illegal aliens - exactly as I said. So OnePOS is asking a nonsensical question.

Yes, there is and the penalty is a fine up to $3,000/occurrence and imprisonment up to 6 months.

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If you don't pay a traffic ticket you can also go to prison. The turds in here are demanding heavy prison sentences for first time offenders.

BTW, I certainly have no objection to enforcing the existing laws on the books. Your fellow Democrats are the ones who keep obstructing enforcement of the law. Obama thinks he's allowed to issue Social Security cards and work permits to illegal aliens.

 

[FA_Q2]

Ayup... and if you increase the cost of entering by land you'll just push more people into boats.

And if you build a wall, they'll tunnel under it or fly over it. You can't solve the illegal immigration problem without addressing the reason why they are coming.

If it was so easy, then people would have had no trouble escaping East Germany. We would also still be hearing about suicide bombers killing Israelis. The claim that it's so easy to build tunnels and so hard to stop them is obvious horseshit. It's just another excuse to do nothing.

Like the East Germans, Republicans see beefing up boarder security as a tactic to avoid dealing with the problems. Republicans just want to delay any legislation until they have full control of government which may take two years, four years, 8 years, or however long it takes.
Beefing up border security is not a magical solution for our illegal immigration problems. It doesn't address the 11 to 20 million illegal immigrants in the US except to prompted large numbers of them to remain in the U.S. permanently. Most illegal immigrants in the US want to return to home but only if they feel they can return to the US. It doesn't address the conflicting laws that have created jobs for over 10,000 immigration lawyers. It also doesn't address the millions of illegal immigrants that are entering this country legally and are living in the US with expired visas. Nor does it address those whose parents brought them into the US as children or dozens of other shortcomings in the existing laws..

You are incorrect - the right has no intention of sealing the border either. They had full control for a number of years and they managed to pass.......

Ya, more talk without action.

According to that theory, then the left has no intention of passing amnesty, but we all know that's bullshit. They've tried many times to pass it, and hey whine about it incessantly.

What are you talking about. The left has passed all kinds of amnesty measures in the past. They are CLEARLY supporting amnesty.