Brown Vetos Budget

[daveman]

California Governor Vetoes Budget


LOS ANGELES — Gov. Jerry Brown of California on Thursday vetoed the state budget that the Democratic-controlled Legislature had passed the day before, saying that the plan merely papered over the long-term deficit and added billions of dollars in debt.
The veto means that the governor will have to reopen negotiations with the Legislature to win approval for his plan to close a nearly $10 billion gap. The plan relies on extending some taxes that are set to expire this year, and for it to pass, Mr. Brown needs the support of two Republicans in each legislative chamber. Those votes have been elusive.

Definite politician, blame the other side....... And people buy this shit!

Jerry Brown vetoes California budget – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Question, do you ever study an issue before making a blanket statement? Do you suppose blaming Brown because he's on the other side makes you appear


a) Informed?

b) Open Minded?

c) Intelligent?

d) None of the above?

e) Hypocritical?

f) Both d and e?






Correct, f

Did you read the OP? Brown, a Democrat, is blaming four Republicans for the failures of the Democratic legislature.

And now you're blaming Ringel. Looks like you get an F, too.

 

[Meister]

Jerry Brown is playing hard ball with both the partys.

This is why I love jerry

If Jerry was a republican, you would have never said that.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Raising Taxes in California? Now there's an original idea. California is rapidly becoming a Third World nightmare. When will people learn? We don't have Tax problem. We have a Government problem. The people have no control over how the Politicians spend their money. California better get it together pretty soon. They're dangerously close to seeing their Takers outnumbering their Producers. Not many Businesses want to operate in California at this point. Their Socialists/Progressives out there really have screwed things up pretty badly. I don't know if California will ever come back.

 

[Truthmatters]

Jerry Brown is playing hard ball with both the partys.

This is why I love jerry

If Jerry was a republican, you would have never said that.

Thats right because republicans support historically failed ideas

 

[Quantum Windbag]

California Governor Vetoes Budget


LOS ANGELES — Gov. Jerry Brown of California on Thursday vetoed the state budget that the Democratic-controlled Legislature had passed the day before, saying that the plan merely papered over the long-term deficit and added billions of dollars in debt.
The veto means that the governor will have to reopen negotiations with the Legislature to win approval for his plan to close a nearly $10 billion gap. The plan relies on extending some taxes that are set to expire this year, and for it to pass, Mr. Brown needs the support of two Republicans in each legislative chamber. Those votes have been elusive.

Definite politician, blame the other side....... And people buy this shit!

Jerry Brown vetoes California budget – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

I was actually impressed. He promised not to sign any budget that included gimmicks, and he kept his word. I thought for sure he would sign the budget and keep kicking the mess down the road. The man deserves kudos for sticking to his guns and forcing the legislature to actually come up with a balanced budget, not a bunch of accounting tricks and wishful thinking.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That budget was illegal anyway because the legislature raised taxes in it without a 2/3 majority vote which is required in California to raise taxes.

Voters pass Prop. 25, allowing legislative majority vote to pass California budget

Nothing in your link contradicts what involved says, the budget actually did include tax hikes disguised as fees. those probably could have been successfully challenged if Brown had signed the budget. Now we get to find out of the Democrats who supported Prop 25 like working without pay.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Jerry Brown is playing hard ball with both the partys.

This is why I love jerry

If Jerry was a republican, you would have never said that.

Thats right because republicans support historically failed ideas

Like cutting spending on schools, pensions, and urban renewal? The same things Brown did when he sent a budget to the CA legislature?

 

[Robert]

California Governor Vetoes Budget


LOS ANGELES — Gov. Jerry Brown of California on Thursday vetoed the state budget that the Democratic-controlled Legislature had passed the day before, saying that the plan merely papered over the long-term deficit and added billions of dollars in debt.
The veto means that the governor will have to reopen negotiations with the Legislature to win approval for his plan to close a nearly $10 billion gap. The plan relies on extending some taxes that are set to expire this year, and for it to pass, Mr. Brown needs the support of two Republicans in each legislative chamber. Those votes have been elusive.

Definite politician, blame the other side....... And people buy this shit!

Jerry Brown vetoes California budget – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Its official we've entered the twilight zone.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

In the end the Democrats out there will give Brown much of the very same things Schwarzenegger requested. They wouldn't give Schwarzenegger anything just because he had an 'R' by his name. Now they'll give Brown these things just because he has a 'D' by his. The Democrats are all about 'Party before Country' these days. Brown isn't going to do anything different than what Schwarzenegger tried to do. Schwarzenegger was consistently thwarted by the Democrat-Dominated California Legislature. And i'm not defending Schwarzenegger either. Because he was basically Democrat-Light. He liked to raise Taxes too. His spending cut proposals will now be pushed by Brown. And Brown will likely get some. And all the Democrat Dummies will then applaud Brown. A 'Party before Country' mentality makes Dummies out of a whole lot of people.

 

[Harry Dresden]

is it really that difficult to cut spending?

In Calilfornia, yes, it is. The citizens of California, through referendums, have tied the hands of their legislature to a great degree. There are certain expenditures passed through referendum that the legislature CAN'T eliminate. That's why Brown needs tax increases to do anything about California's deficit.

they can cut spending anytime they want.....its tax increases that are hard to raise.....Browns budget he just put forth had many cuts in spending.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Jerry Brown is playing hard ball with both the partys.

This is why I love jerry

If Jerry was a republican, you would have never said that.

Thats right because republicans support historically failed ideas

so your agreeing with Meister?......that if Brown were a Republican and was doing the same thing you would be saying ....."thats why i hate Jerry.....he is a Republican"........and you wonder why you get treated with such respect here.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

That budget was illegal anyway because the legislature raised taxes in it without a 2/3 majority vote which is required in California to raise taxes.

Voters pass Prop. 25, allowing legislative majority vote to pass California budget

Nothing in your link contradicts what involved says, the budget actually did include tax hikes disguised as fees. those probably could have been successfully challenged if Brown had signed the budget. Now we get to find out of the Democrats who supported Prop 25 like working without pay.

doncha just love those Tax Hikes disguised as Fees......

 

[Trajan]

That budget was illegal anyway because the legislature raised taxes in it without a 2/3 majority vote which is required in California to raise taxes.

Voters pass Prop. 25, allowing legislative majority vote to pass California budget

because the legislature raised taxes

 

[Harry Dresden]

If Jerry was a republican, you would have never said that.

Thats right because republicans support historically failed ideas

Like cutting spending on schools, pensions, and urban renewal? The same things Brown did when he sent a budget to the CA legislature?

lets not forget the cuts to the Handicapped and the Infirmed....

 

[Harry Dresden]

In the end the Democrats out there will give Brown much of the very same things Schwarzenegger requested. They wouldn't give Schwarzenegger anything just because he had an 'R' by his name. Now they'll give Brown these things just because he has a 'D' by his. The Democrats are all about 'Party before Country' these days. Brown isn't going to do anything different than what Schwarzenegger tried to do. Schwarzenegger was consistently thwarted by the Democrat-Dominated California Legislature. And i'm not defending Schwarzenegger either. Because he was basically Democrat-Light. He liked to raise Taxes too. His spending cut proposals will now be pushed by Brown. And Brown will likely get some. And all the Democrat Dummies will then applaud Brown. A 'Party before Country' mentality makes Dummies out of a whole lot of people.

dont be so sure.....that Legislative Wall is pretty hard to get through....

 

[Trajan]

is it really that difficult to cut spending?

In Calilfornia, yes, it is. The citizens of California, through referendums, have tied the hands of their legislature to a great degree. There are certain expenditures passed through referendum that the legislature CAN'T eliminate. That's why Brown needs tax increases to do anything about California's deficit.

uhm hello, they have been spending ahead of pop growth and inflation for a decade, maybe gee that might have something to do with it?

 

[Trajan]

and of course we have-

Does Jesus demand a tax-increasing budget?
By Steven Greenhut on June 14, 2011 1:31 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
Leaders of the religious Left are descending on Sacramento today to call on a budget that doesn't cut any programs and that extends tax increases, as promoted by Gov. Jerry Brown. Here is the info on the rally by a group called PICO (People Improving Communities through Organizing). As the group explains, "At the core of our diverse faith traditions is the belief that each of us has God-given dignity and boundless potential. We share a common respect for the dignity of the person and a firm solidarity in our mutual goal of creating opportunities for our people to live full and meaningful lives. We urge our legislators and Administration to invest in California's future by renewing the covenant with Californians whereby we help provide for the most vulnerable and care for our children." This is just the latest liberal group to come to the Capitol to champion the same tax-hike message. All of these groups accept the same assumption advanced by the governor -- that there are no choices other than increasing taxes and cutting services. How do we get a more serious debate?

Unions and Politics

PICO -

http://www.picocalifornia.org/admin/documents/files/ADV-June-14-Rally-Sacramento_FINAL.pdf

 

[Trajan]

heres a brown initiative I will get behind, kill the redevelopment agencies...



Blight Cures Drain City Coffers

* APRIL 9, 2011


Redevelopment districts in California, designed to harness private enterprise to revive blighted neighborhoods, are increasingly putting a financial strain on local governments, a Wall Street Journal analysis shows.

More than two dozen redevelopment districts in California had annual debt payments that exceeded or nearly exceeded their annual tax revenue in the fiscal year ended June 2009, the last year for which statewide data are available.

snip--
But some cities do default. According to credit-rating company Standard & Poor's, 110 U.S. municipal-bond issues totaling $2.65 billion defaulted in 2010. The largest number came from the type of debt issued by redevelopment agencies, representing 36% of defaults. Still, the defaults were a small portion of the $1.27 trillion in municipal bonds tracked by S&P.



snip-

The Journal's analysis of California redevelopment agencies found the number of those that were troubled was increasing due to property-value declines. In many areas, those declines have continued since the data were published, according to local officials around the state.

Debt-rating companies are taking notice.

In March, Moody's Investors Service downgraded redevelopment debt of Oakland, Calif., and Riverside County, citing poor tax revenue. Standard & Poor's in February downgraded redevelopment debt of Lancaster, Calif., to junk status and Fitch gave similar ratings to the redevelopment debt of Banning and Pittsburg, Calif.

S&P analyst Gabriel Petek said his company has issued 12 negative ratings for redevelopment debt across the nation so far in the fiscal year that ends June 30, compared with just two in the prior year. He said cities increasingly are tapping emergency funds to make redevelopment-debt payments.

In Pittsburg, Calif., property values fell by more than 15% over the past year. The community of 65,000 some 40 miles northeast of San Francisco already relies on emergency funds to cover operating expenses—including $30 million in annual payments on its $855 million in redevelopment debt—even after cutting more than 20 city jobs and reducing worker salaries.

Much of Pittsburg's redevelopment debt was used to build office buildings, cafes and apartment complexes as well to loan money to the city and various businesses.

But the city—worried that its emergency fund, totaling about $45 million, could run out of money—decided to stop making state-required payments of about $20 million to local schools, said Marc Grisham, Pittsburg's city manager. That violation of state rules means the redevelopment agency won't be able to initiate any redevelopment projects until the school payments are made.

Blight Cures Drain City Coffers in California - WSJ.com

 

[Wry Catcher]

Did I blame Brown for vetoing the bill?

Only answer available: only in your biased, partisan mind.

Did I simply point out he was dealing in the time honored partisan practice of blaming the other party?

Only answer available: No shit Sherlock

Are you a complete partisan tool who has no perspective in reality?

Only true answer is: That's obvious as hell!!!

Wanna try again or are you not satisfied with making yourself out to be a complete ass?

Nope, Button pushed with success - I don't need to try again. Good night, Pot.

Responding to a non-nonsensical, partisan reply with proper (and well deserved clarification) is pushing a button?
You're weirder than you post.

The budget was passed without any Republican Votes, it was passed by the Democrats. Brown is a Democrat. Hence, Brown was not acting as a typical partisan, though, I suspect you will attempt to spin it so as not to appear so ignorant. Brown's comment was, "We're going to get something better, you can be sure of that...I'm going to give them a chance to be heroes".

 

[Ringel05]

Nope, Button pushed with success - I don't need to try again. Good night, Pot.

Responding to a non-nonsensical, partisan reply with proper (and well deserved clarification) is pushing a button?
You're weirder than you post.

The budget was passed without any Republican Votes, it was passed by the Democrats. Brown is a Democrat. Hence, Brown was not acting as a typical partisan, though, I suspect you will attempt to spin it so as not to appear so ignorant. Brown's comment was, "We're going to get something better, you can be sure of that...I'm going to give them a chance to be heroes".

From the CNN article:
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- California Governor Jerry Brown vetoed Thursday the budget passed by state lawmakers the day before that relied on spending cuts, fund transfers and one-time revenue boosts.

Brown, who has promised for months that he would present Californians with a gimmick-free budget that solves the state's $26 billion deficit with a combination of tax extensions and spending cuts, said the legislators' budget was not a balanced solution.

"It continues big deficits for years to come and adds billions of dollars of new debt. It also contains legally questionable maneuvers, costly borrowing and unrealistic savings," he said. "We can -- and must -- do better."

In vetoing the budget, the governor, a Democrat, once again lashed out at Republican lawmakers. He called on them to put his plan to extend personal income and sales tax hikes on the ballot.


Brown vetoes California budget - Jun. 16, 2011

Obviously it's the Repubs fault again that he can't raise taxes to help balance the budget in a Democratic controlled assembly.