Brennan's Bastards

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As time goes by it becomes more and more apparent that a mountain of chaos, distress, and pain has been inflicted upon "us" by the un-elected, life-tenured, out-of-touch lawyers who inhabit the Federal bench.

The subject of my immediate ire is the large and growing army of "Anchor Babies," who are figuratively the illegitimate progeny ("bastards") of the late, not-at-all lamented Supreme Court Justice, William Brennan.

The Fourteenth Amendment was enacted specifically to prevent southern States from denying the rights of citizenship to freed slaves. That's it. Nothing more.

The operative description of the said emancipated persons is, "...born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." One might suppose that it never entered the minds of the senators drafting the Amendment that it might be applied one day to the children of aliens or others not legally in the country, but surprisingly, Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan was quoted at the time as saying, "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." It is not a stretch to suppose that Senator Howard would have been even more emphatic on the question of children of those ILLEGALLY in the United States. OF COURSE, they would not be granted citizenship under this new 14th Amendment, just because they happened to be born on U.S. soil!

Enter the aforementioned Justice Brennan. In a FOOTNOTE to a 1982 decision (Plyler v. Doe), Brennan remarked, "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful."

This statement is so manifestly and patently stupid and unsupportable that it is shocking that anyone would even write it, let alone take it seriously. "No plausible distinction"? Are you shitting me? People legally here vs people here illegally? No distinction? The mind reels.

And yet this ridiculous, unsupported, patently false assertion is the ENTIRE BASIS of the "anchor baby" phenomenon that has lured literally MILLIONS of unhappy foreigners to break our laws and jump our borders. Arguably, it has also been one of the bases by which courts have decreed that the states and federal government are effectively PROHIBITED from denying things like welfare, housing subsidies, MEDICAID, and so forth to ILLEGAL ALIENS (if that expression offends you, I invite you to engage in an impossible auto-sexual act).

Although this footnote has been enshrined in American "Constitutional" law as though carved on Mount Fucking Rushmore, it is not clear whether a Constitutional amendment would even be required to overturn it. It is not actually binding as precedent because it was not the basis of the holding in Plyler v. Doe, but there can be no doubt that if Congress passed a law bringing sanity to the issue, open-borders proponents would find a Federal Judge to declare the law "unconstitutional." So an Amendment is probably the only solution.

And dare I say, footnotally, that it is stuff like this that makes Mr. Trump so attractive to "normal" people? Our politicians are so afraid of being branded "racist," that they refuse to even introduce legislation to overturn this "anchor baby" phenomenon - in spite of the fact that 90% of the American population finds it both unconstitutional and repugnant to our national sovereignty.

We are apparently fucked, and loving it. No other country in the world has anything like this "anchor baby" thing.
 
Nonsense.

The 14th Amendment is clear, the federal benches' rulings are clear, and you are wrong.
 
Were you born an idiot, or did you make yourself so?

Why did it take more than a hundred years for anyone to discover what the 14th Amendment meant? Why was the Senator who drafted it so clueless as to what it meant? Why were Amerindians excluded (not subject to U.S. jurisdiction)?

Really. You are an idiot to make a blanket statement like that. You need help.
 
Were you born an idiot, or did you make yourself so?

Why did it take more than a hundred years for anyone to discover what the 14th Amendment meant? Why was the Senator who drafted it so clueless as to what it meant? Why were Amerindians excluded (not subject to U.S. jurisdiction)?

Really. You are an idiot to make a blanket statement like that. You need help.
Flaming with no real content. You really do not understand your own OP, do you? The question is settled and won't be reopened at the political level.
 
As time goes by it becomes more and more apparent that a mountain of chaos, distress, and pain has been inflicted upon "us" by the un-elected, life-tenured, out-of-touch lawyers who inhabit the Federal bench.

The subject of my immediate ire is the large and growing army of "Anchor Babies," who are figuratively the illegitimate progeny ("bastards") of the late, not-at-all lamented Supreme Court Justice, William Brennan.

The Fourteenth Amendment was enacted specifically to prevent southern States from denying the rights of citizenship to freed slaves. That's it. Nothing more.

The operative description of the said emancipated persons is, "...born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." One might suppose that it never entered the minds of the senators drafting the Amendment that it might be applied one day to the children of aliens or others not legally in the country, but surprisingly, Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan was quoted at the time as saying, "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." It is not a stretch to suppose that Senator Howard would have been even more emphatic on the question of children of those ILLEGALLY in the United States. OF COURSE, they would not be granted citizenship under this new 14th Amendment, just because they happened to be born on U.S. soil!

Enter the aforementioned Justice Brennan. In a FOOTNOTE to a 1982 decision (Plyler v. Doe), Brennan remarked, "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful."

This statement is so manifestly and patently stupid and unsupportable that it is shocking that anyone would even write it, let alone take it seriously. "No plausible distinction"? Are you shitting me? People legally here vs people here illegally? No distinction? The mind reels.

And yet this ridiculous, unsupported, patently false assertion is the ENTIRE BASIS of the "anchor baby" phenomenon that has lured literally MILLIONS of unhappy foreigners to break our laws and jump our borders. Arguably, it has also been one of the bases by which courts have decreed that the states and federal government are effectively PROHIBITED from denying things like welfare, housing subsidies, MEDICAID, and so forth to ILLEGAL ALIENS (if that expression offends you, I invite you to engage in an impossible auto-sexual act).

Although this footnote has been enshrined in American "Constitutional" law as though carved on Mount Fucking Rushmore, it is not clear whether a Constitutional amendment would even be required to overturn it. It is not actually binding as precedent because it was not the basis of the holding in Plyler v. Doe, but there can be no doubt that if Congress passed a law bringing sanity to the issue, open-borders proponents would find a Federal Judge to declare the law "unconstitutional." So an Amendment is probably the only solution.

And dare I say, footnotally, that it is stuff like this that makes Mr. Trump so attractive to "normal" people? Our politicians are so afraid of being branded "racist," that they refuse to even introduce legislation to overturn this "anchor baby" phenomenon - in spite of the fact that 90% of the American population finds it both unconstitutional and repugnant to our national sovereignty.

We are apparently fucked, and loving it. No other country in the world has anything like this "anchor baby" thing.
The language you claim to be in a footnote appears in none of the footnoted in Plyler. This language does:

Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was

impossible to construe the words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words "within its jurisdiction," in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons "within the jurisdiction" of one of the States of the Union are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."

Id. at 687.

Justice Gray concluded that

[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

Id. at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).
Brennan and the four other justices simply applied the 14th Amendment as it has been construed all along. They applied it's plain language.
 
As time goes by it becomes more and more apparent that a mountain of chaos, distress, and pain has been inflicted upon "us" by the un-elected, life-tenured, out-of-touch lawyers who inhabit the Federal bench.

The subject of my immediate ire is the large and growing army of "Anchor Babies," who are figuratively the illegitimate progeny ("bastards") of the late, not-at-all lamented Supreme Court Justice, William Brennan.

The Fourteenth Amendment was enacted specifically to prevent southern States from denying the rights of citizenship to freed slaves. That's it. Nothing more.

The operative description of the said emancipated persons is, "...born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." One might suppose that it never entered the minds of the senators drafting the Amendment that it might be applied one day to the children of aliens or others not legally in the country, but surprisingly, Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan was quoted at the time as saying, "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." It is not a stretch to suppose that Senator Howard would have been even more emphatic on the question of children of those ILLEGALLY in the United States. OF COURSE, they would not be granted citizenship under this new 14th Amendment, just because they happened to be born on U.S. soil!

Enter the aforementioned Justice Brennan. In a FOOTNOTE to a 1982 decision (Plyler v. Doe), Brennan remarked, "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful."

This statement is so manifestly and patently stupid and unsupportable that it is shocking that anyone would even write it, let alone take it seriously. "No plausible distinction"? Are you shitting me? People legally here vs people here illegally? No distinction? The mind reels.

And yet this ridiculous, unsupported, patently false assertion is the ENTIRE BASIS of the "anchor baby" phenomenon that has lured literally MILLIONS of unhappy foreigners to break our laws and jump our borders. Arguably, it has also been one of the bases by which courts have decreed that the states and federal government are effectively PROHIBITED from denying things like welfare, housing subsidies, MEDICAID, and so forth to ILLEGAL ALIENS (if that expression offends you, I invite you to engage in an impossible auto-sexual act).

Although this footnote has been enshrined in American "Constitutional" law as though carved on Mount Fucking Rushmore, it is not clear whether a Constitutional amendment would even be required to overturn it. It is not actually binding as precedent because it was not the basis of the holding in Plyler v. Doe, but there can be no doubt that if Congress passed a law bringing sanity to the issue, open-borders proponents would find a Federal Judge to declare the law "unconstitutional." So an Amendment is probably the only solution.

And dare I say, footnotally, that it is stuff like this that makes Mr. Trump so attractive to "normal" people? Our politicians are so afraid of being branded "racist," that they refuse to even introduce legislation to overturn this "anchor baby" phenomenon - in spite of the fact that 90% of the American population finds it both unconstitutional and repugnant to our national sovereignty.

We are apparently fucked, and loving it. No other country in the world has anything like this "anchor baby" thing.
Racism has noting to do with it. War numbers and electoral votes do. The parents may not be legal, but those babies are and they will grow up to be soldiers (laughing) and voters. Caucasians have stopped having large families. If our numbers dip below a certain percentage, we are subject to attack on the home front. If a Senator opens his state to 1 million illegals, even though that state cannot possibly sustain them, if and when they become legal, he just increased his presidential picking power. Using the racism card is too easy.
 
Then stop using it, silly one.

There are less illegals here now than seven years ago.

We need to secure the border, reform hiring practices, and create a pathway to legal residency.
 
Were you born an idiot, or did you make yourself so?

Why did it take more than a hundred years for anyone to discover what the 14th Amendment meant? Why was the Senator who drafted it so clueless as to what it meant? Why were Amerindians excluded (not subject to U.S. jurisdiction)?

Really. You are an idiot to make a blanket statement like that. You need help.
Given your OP, you're in no position to refer to anyone as an 'idiot.'

The 14th Amendment has been applied by the courts consistent with the original intent of its framers: to ensure all persons in the United States be afforded the fundamental right of due process and equal protection of the law:

'The Court held that illegal aliens and their children, though not citizens of the United States or Texas, are [persons] "in any ordinary sense of the term" and, therefore, are afforded Fourteenth Amendment protections and that since the state law severely disadvantaged the children of without a "compelling state interest” it violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.'

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/plyler_v._doe_1982

As Justice Kennedy explained in Lawrence:

“Had those who drew and ratified the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth Amendment or the Fourteenth Amendment known the components of liberty in its manifold possibilities, they might have been more specific. They did not presume to have this insight. They knew times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress. As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom.”
 
There are no questions that indicate that anchor babies are not constitutionally citizens.

Only those who are mentally feeble, malignantly motivated, woefully illiterate, or any or all of those, would say differently.
 
Note that the word, "Constitutional" has evolved to encompass things that are (a) nowhere mentioned in the Constitution (e.g., the "exclusionary rule"), (b) often actually contradict the Constitution ("affirmative action"), and (c) are often just made up by some judge or justice (e.g., the right to marry someone of the same gender).

Thus, I do not disagree that the "anchor baby" phenomenon is "Constitutional."

All I'm saying is that it is a principle that was not intended by those who drafted the Amendment, and is only supported by arguments that are questionable at best.

Consider:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

Under the current reading, the words "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." are totally devoid of meaning. take them out and the meaning is exactly the same. So to accept the current meaning, one must conclude that the authors simply wanted to add a few words to fill out the page. Or something.

Which is ridiculous.
 
However, We the People accept it as Constitutional, it will remain as such, because the nativists do not have the political power or vote to change it.
 
Are you really so delusional? Do you suppose for one nanosecond that a majority of voting u.s. citizens support this insane policy? Or any country, for that matter.
 

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