BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...

[Hollie]

Her basic notion is that self-determination equals apartheid, which is false.
As does Hamas, she denies any national rights to the Jews.

Need that explained again?

I don't believe she said that.

You should pay attention to the details of the goofy YouTube videos you cut and paste.

If you think she said that, post the time.

If you didn’t watch the video you cut and pasted, do so now.

OK, I watched it again for the third time. She said the same thing each time. Imagine that.

You watched the YouTube video three times and she said the same thing three times?

 

[Hollie]

Interview about Palestinian Terrorism on France 24. Europeans usually do not understand what the Palestinians mean when they say occupation. They do not mean the territories of the West Bank, which are under Israeli military rule. They mean any Jewish presence in a region they consider purely Arab.


https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=palestinian%20terrorism

He had to play those terrorist cards.

Your tender islamo-sensibilities are offended?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

When Dr Tilley makes any definative statement on the allegation of apartheid → she makes what could be classically called a "fallacy of authority" It is a fallacy in which Dr Tilley (herself) presents and cites herself as evidence that any statement she makes is true.

She is essentially saying it is true simply because she wrote a book on the subject and then uses her own book as evidence. It may make good propaganda, but makes for extremely bad logic and interpretation.

OK, but what did she say that was not accurate?

(COMMENT)

The entire presentation is based on her opening assumption that she can extrapolate the facts of the allegation she makes into evidence of a crime itself. Dr Tilley employs the Article II Phrase of the Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1973) as the mechanism used to allow her interpretation:

"which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practiced in southern Africa,"​

Without this tool, her entire argument and allegation begins to unravel. Now the "why" of what she is doing is quite simple. Treatise No.14861 is a Multilateral "Convention" that "As of 5 February 2002" neither the US or Israel had signed and ratified. The actual international law is found under the "Rome Statutes
Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court" Article 7(1j). And that definition is found in Article 7(2h). The importance of this is found when a major feature of the Rule of Law is applied:
https://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/PIDS/publications/RomeStatutEng.pdf

Article 22 -
PART 3 GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL LAW
Nullum crimen sine lege [No crime without Law... (See Paragraph 2)]

1. A person shall not be criminally responsible under this Statute unless the conduct in
question constitutes, at the time it takes place, a crime within the jurisdiction of the
Court.

2. The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by
analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the
person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.

3. This article shall not affect the characterization of any conduct as criminal under
international law independently of this Statute.​

Element of the Offense #4: The conduct was committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups.

Israel:

✪ Ethnic groups:

• Jewish 80.1%
  
• Europe/America-born 32.1%,
  
• Israel-born 20.8%,
  
• Africa-born 14.6%,
  
• Asia-born 12.6%,
  
• non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)

✪ Religions:

• Jewish 80.1%,
  
• Muslim 14.6% (mostly Sunni Muslim),
  
• Christian 2.1%,
  
• other 3.2% (1996 est.)

Gaza Strip:

✪ Ethnic groups:

• Palestinian Arab

✪ Religions:

• Muslim 98.0 - 99.0% (predominantly Sunni),
• Christian <1.0%, other, unaffiliated,
  
• unspecified <1.0%

West Bank:

✪ Ethnic groups:

• Palestinian Arab & other 83%,
• Jewish 17%

✪ Religions:

• Muslim 80-85% (predominantly Sunni),
• Jewish 12-14%,
  
• Christian 1-2.5% (mainly Greek Orthodox),
  
• other, unaffiliated,
  
• unspecified <1%

Between the establishment of the Jewish State (1948) to present, 9 Prime Ministers reaching across over a half-dozen Political Parties. There has been no single leader or political authoirty that has been in power more than ≈ 13 years (David Ben-Gurion: first term: 6 years; which was not consecutive with the second term: 7 years).

• The Question becomes What Jewish Regime are the allegations made?
• What racial group is accused of dominating?
  
• What racial group is being dominated?

To another point: Any country that carries-out border controls, constructs a barrier, establishes security indepth → or has enacted immigration laws → could be the next target of such allegations.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, my interpretation of what she said must be different than yours.

Her basic notion is that self-determination equals apartheid, which is false.
As does Hamas, she denies any national rights to the Jews.

Need that explained again?

I don't believe she said that.

(COMMENT)

IF, any support of a Two-State solution is support of "Apartheid"
THEN: There can be only One-State.
IF, there is only One-State
THEN: Only ONE party, (either the Arab-Palestinians or the Israelis) may exercise self-determination for sovereignty and independence.
IF: the Arab Palestinians have the right and claim all the territory, from the River to the Sea,
THEN: The Israelis may not exercise self-determination for sovereignty and independence for any territory between the River and the Sea.
THUS:
As our friend "rylah" said ---

✪ Her basic notion is that self-determination equals apartheid, which is false.
✪ As does Hamas, she denies any national rights to the Jews.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[USAF 2023]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

When Dr Tilley makes any definative statement on the allegation of apartheid → she makes what could be classically called a "fallacy of authority" It is a fallacy in which Dr Tilley (herself) presents and cites herself as evidence that any statement she makes is true.

She is essentially saying it is true simply because she wrote a book on the subject and then uses her own book as evidence. It may make good propaganda, but makes for extremely bad logic and interpretation.

OK, but what did she say that was not accurate?

(COMMENT)

The entire presentation is based on her opening assumption that she can extrapolate the facts of the allegation she makes into evidence of a crime itself. Dr Tilley employs the Article II Phrase of the Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1973) as the mechanism used to allow her interpretation:

"which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practiced in southern Africa,"​

Without this tool, her entire argument and allegation begins to unravel. Now the "why" of what she is doing is quite simple. Treatise No.14861 is a Multilateral "Convention" that "As of 5 February 2002" neither the US or Israel had signed and ratified. The actual international law is found under the "Rome Statutes
Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court" Article 7(1j). And that definition is found in Article 7(2h). The importance of this is found when a major feature of the Rule of Law is applied:

Article 22 -
PART 3 GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL LAW
Nullum crimen sine lege [No crime without Law... (See Paragraph 2)]

1. A person shall not be criminally responsible under this Statute unless the conduct in
question constitutes, at the time it takes place, a crime within the jurisdiction of the
Court.

2. The definition of a crime shall be strictly construed and shall not be extended by
analogy. In case of ambiguity, the definition shall be interpreted in favour of the
person being investigated, prosecuted or convicted.

3. This article shall not affect the characterization of any conduct as criminal under
international law independently of this Statute.​

Element of the Offense #4: The conduct was committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups.

Israel:

✪ Ethnic groups:

• Jewish 80.1%
  
• Europe/America-born 32.1%,
  
• Israel-born 20.8%,
  
• Africa-born 14.6%,
  
• Asia-born 12.6%,
  
• non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)

✪ Religions:

• Jewish 80.1%,
  
• Muslim 14.6% (mostly Sunni Muslim),
  
• Christian 2.1%,
  
• other 3.2% (1996 est.)

Gaza Strip:

✪ Ethnic groups:

• Palestinian Arab

✪ Religions:

• Muslim 98.0 - 99.0% (predominantly Sunni),
• Christian <1.0%, other, unaffiliated,
  
• unspecified <1.0%

West Bank:

✪ Ethnic groups:

• Palestinian Arab & other 83%,
• Jewish 17%

✪ Religions:

• Muslim 80-85% (predominantly Sunni),
• Jewish 12-14%,
  
• Christian 1-2.5% (mainly Greek Orthodox),
  
• other, unaffiliated,
  
• unspecified <1%

Between the establishment of the Jewish State (1948) to present, 9 Prime Ministers reaching across over a half-dozen Political Parties. There has been no single leader or political authoirty that has been in power more than ≈ 13 years (David Ben-Gurion: first term: 6 years; which was not consecutive with the second term: 7 years).

• The Question becomes What Jewish Regime are the allegations made?
• What racial group is accused of dominating?
  
• What racial group is being dominated?

To another point: Any country that carries-out border controls, constructs a barrier, establishes security indepth → or has enacted immigration laws → could be the next target of such allegations.

Most Respectfully,
R

Don’t confuse the Palestinian with facts.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, my interpretation of what she said must be different than yours.

Her basic notion is that self-determination equals apartheid, which is false.
As does Hamas, she denies any national rights to the Jews.

Need that explained again?

I don't believe she said that.

(COMMENT)

IF, any support of a Two-State solution is support of "Apartheid"
THEN: There can be only One-State.
IF, there is only One-State
THEN: Only ONE party, (either the Arab-Palestinians or the Israelis) may exercise self-determination for sovereignty and independence.
IF: the Arab Palestinians have the right and claim all the territory, from the River to the Sea,
THEN: The Israelis may not exercise self-determination for sovereignty and independence for any territory between the River and the Sea.
THUS:
As our friend "rylah" said ---

✪ Her basic notion is that self-determination equals apartheid, which is false.
✪ As does Hamas, she denies any national rights to the Jews.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Y'all must be looking at this through Israel colored glasses because I am not seeing what you are seeing. She is very accurate and precise in her assessment. For more detail you can read the actual report.

 

[Hollie]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, my interpretation of what she said must be different than yours.

Her basic notion is that self-determination equals apartheid, which is false.
As does Hamas, she denies any national rights to the Jews.

Need that explained again?

I don't believe she said that.

(COMMENT)

IF, any support of a Two-State solution is support of "Apartheid"
THEN: There can be only One-State.
IF, there is only One-State
THEN: Only ONE party, (either the Arab-Palestinians or the Israelis) may exercise self-determination for sovereignty and independence.
IF: the Arab Palestinians have the right and claim all the territory, from the River to the Sea,
THEN: The Israelis may not exercise self-determination for sovereignty and independence for any territory between the River and the Sea.
THUS:
As our friend "rylah" said ---

✪ Her basic notion is that self-determination equals apartheid, which is false.
✪ As does Hamas, she denies any national rights to the Jews.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Y'all must be looking at this through Israel colored glasses because I am not seeing what you are seeing. She is very accurate and precise in her assessment. For more detail you can read the actual report.

The YouTube video is as bogus now as the last time you cut and pasted it.

 

[Shusha]

Y'all must be looking at this through Israel colored glasses because I am not seeing what you are seeing. She is very accurate and precise in her assessment. For more detail you can read the actual report.

At 9:01 she says, "It is a comprehensive system of laws which ensures Jewish national privilege ... the idea that Jews are a nation and that as a people or nation they have certain privileges... It is a racial conflict according to the law defining what is racial discrimination which includes groups defined by descent."

That is conflating the right to self-determination (in the form of a nation or a nationality) with apartheid. It also conflates indigenous definitions and rights as apartheid. It would be very difficult for any modern nation to pass this standard. And yet she applies it only to Israel.

Or is she speaking and writing reports about the apartheid nation of Spain that I am not aware of?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Y'all must be looking at this through Israel colored glasses because I am not seeing what you are seeing. She is very accurate and precise in her assessment. For more detail you can read the actual report.

At 9:01 she says, "It is a comprehensive system of laws which ensures Jewish national privilege ... the idea that Jews are a nation and that as a people or nation they have certain privileges... It is a racial conflict according to the law defining what is racial discrimination which includes groups defined by descent."

That is conflating the right to self-determination (in the form of a nation or a nationality) with apartheid. It also conflates indigenous definitions and rights as apartheid. It would be very difficult for any modern nation to pass this standard. And yet she applies it only to Israel.

Or is she speaking and writing reports about the apartheid nation of Spain that I am not aware of?

That is conflating the right to self-determination (in the form of a nation or a nationality) with apartheid. It also conflates indigenous definitions and rights as apartheid.

You are reading into it what is not there.

 

[Shusha]

Y'all must be looking at this through Israel colored glasses because I am not seeing what you are seeing. She is very accurate and precise in her assessment. For more detail you can read the actual report.

At 9:01 she says, "It is a comprehensive system of laws which ensures Jewish national privilege ... the idea that Jews are a nation and that as a people or nation they have certain privileges... It is a racial conflict according to the law defining what is racial discrimination which includes groups defined by descent."

That is conflating the right to self-determination (in the form of a nation or a nationality) with apartheid. It also conflates indigenous definitions and rights as apartheid. It would be very difficult for any modern nation to pass this standard. And yet she applies it only to Israel.

Or is she speaking and writing reports about the apartheid nation of Spain that I am not aware of?

That is conflating the right to self-determination (in the form of a nation or a nationality) with apartheid. It also conflates indigenous definitions and rights as apartheid.

You are reading into it what is not there.

So, you don't see a problem with a nation which is defined by its Jewishness, then? Because that is what SHE is using to define apartheid.

 

[P F Tinmore]

South Africa slams Israel over its "apartheid" policies, again!

 

[Hollie]

South Africa slams Israel over its "apartheid" policies, again!

This is the same South Africa where black politicians are calling for the killing of whites?

Do you realize that mindlessly cutting and pasting YouTube makes you appear to be a buffoon?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel Lobby tries to shutdown Israel Apartheid Week

 

[Hollie]

Israel Lobby tries to shutdown Israel Apartheid Week

Have you considered an alliance between the the South African fascists and the Islamic fascists?

Sounds like a marriage made in your Korans.

 

[USAF 2023]

Israel Lobby tries to shutdown Israel Apartheid Week

Have you considered an alliance between the the South African fascists and the Islamic fascists?

Sounds like a marriage made in your Korans.

Who cares what S. Africa says? The truth is that Israel offered them almost everything they wanted and it was rejected.

 

[Hollie]

Israel Lobby tries to shutdown Israel Apartheid Week

It's so cute that Tinmore cuts and pastes youtube videos from PressTV aka The Iranian Mullah News Network

 

[P F Tinmore]

Webinar Interview with Richard Falk

 

[Hollie]

Webinar Interview with Richard Falk

Ah yes, Falk. He's another of your Jooooooo hating heroes who has been publicly humiliated as such.

It's more than a little creepy that your cutting and pasting is focused on admiring dregs and misfits.

Carry on, sweetie.

 

[rylah]

Webinar Interview with Richard Falk

United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned on Tuesday "preposterous" blog remarks posted by Richard Falk, UN special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, in which he endorsed conspiracy theories claiming the United States government backed and executed the 9/11 attacks.

Here, he forgot something:

 

[USAF 2023]

Israel Lobby tries to shutdown Israel Apartheid Week

Have you considered an alliance between the the South African fascists and the Islamic fascists?

Sounds like a marriage made in your Korans.

Israel Lobby tries to shutdown Israel Apartheid Week

Have you considered an alliance between the the South African fascists and the Islamic fascists?

Sounds like a marriage made in your Korans.

Who cares what S. Africa says? The truth is that Israel offered them almost everything they wanted and it was rejected.