BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...

[Shusha]

You are still trying to find excuses as to why Palestinians do not have the same rights as everyone else.

Arab rights do not extend to denying rights to other peoples.

 

[theliq]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You cannot have it both ways...

Not only did the Arab Palestinians not take responsibility for any of this critical institutions; but refused to join in the establishment of self-governing institutions.

The Palestinians were required to sign onto the settler colonial project before they were allowed to participate.

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians cannot complain that they had no control over immigration policy (or any other aspect of governance) if they failed to adapt to Article 22 LON Covenant. ("that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources,")

There is no question that at every major decision point for the Arab Palestinians, they shot themselves in the foot; and continue to do so in the vain hope that they will be able to recover what they lost through ineptitude.

Most Respectfully,
R

Garbage Rocco,let me put it into todays context,,,,,,if the Israelis had to sign,would they FCUK.......and neither did the Palestinians.......The Palestinians were not aware of the criminal behind the scene determination of the Zionists(NON JEWS)...it was not ineptitude but lack of Rat-Cunning...R you talk some shit sometimes...with respect,steve

 

[P F Tinmore]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

 

[Hollie]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

The same crackpot who you trotted out as a part of your discredited ESCWA report.

What a laughable joke.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

The same crackpot who you trotted out as a part of your discredited ESCWA report.

What a laughable joke.

You should watch it. You might learn something.

Heaven forbid!

 

[Hollie]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

The same crackpot who you trotted out as a part of your discredited ESCWA report.

What a laughable joke.

You should watch it. You might learn something.

Heaven forbid!

You should make an attempt to understand that charlatans such as Virginia Tilley have an obvious agenda (which mirrors yours). Do you really think anyone but you has an interest in weed whacking through the landscape of your silly cut and paste YouTube videos?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

The same crackpot who you trotted out as a part of your discredited ESCWA report.

What a laughable joke.

You should watch it. You might learn something.

Heaven forbid!

You should make an attempt to understand that charlatans such as Virginia Tilley have an obvious agenda (which mirrors yours). Do you really think anyone but you has an interest in weed whacking through the landscape of your silly cut and paste YouTube videos?

Zionists refuse to learn anything.

It shows in their posts.

 

[rylah]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

The same crackpot who you trotted out as a part of your discredited ESCWA report.

What a laughable joke.

You should watch it. You might learn something.

Heaven forbid!

You should make an attempt to understand that charlatans such as Virginia Tilley have an obvious agenda (which mirrors yours). Do you really think anyone but you has an interest in weed whacking through the landscape of your silly cut and paste YouTube videos?

Zionists refuse to learn anything.

It shows in their posts.

And You're back to ridiculous one liners.

Your keyboard Jihad is a failure.
Go indoctrinate Islamism where it belongs. lately it shows in every post You write.

 

[USAF 2023]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

Are you referring to the “state” that doesn’t allow Israel Jews? They don’t!!!!!

 

[USAF 2023]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

The same crackpot who you trotted out as a part of your discredited ESCWA report.

What a laughable joke.

You should watch it. You might learn something.

Heaven forbid!

You should make an attempt to understand that charlatans such as Virginia Tilley have an obvious agenda (which mirrors yours). Do you really think anyone but you has an interest in weed whacking through the landscape of your silly cut and paste YouTube videos?

Zionists refuse to learn anything.

It shows in their posts.

Palestinians refuse to learn anything. They “ answer” a question by avoiding it. If the Arabs had won the 67 War would “ International Law” even be an issue or would Israel cease to exist? I think we know the answer.

 

[Shusha]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

One of the more interesting (and thankfully shorter) videos you've posted. Haven't finished it all yet. But immediately, it is apparent that her definition of "apartheid state" is so broad as to include nearly all states. She explicitly conflates "apartheid" with national identity, creating an equivalence between the two. Effectively, she is claiming that international laws prohibiting apartheid are incompatible with self-determination and thus a state must choose between the two as mutually exclusive options.

She is effectively saying that all peoples who establish or wish to establish self-determination and self-government based on their ethnicity or culture will be apartheid states: First Nations peoples of the Americas, Tibetans, Catalans, Czech Republic, Slovakia, all of the States of former Yugoslavia and USSR, Palestine, Jordan, Scotland, Ireland, Japan, China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, most of Africa, much of South America.
Even Canada has laws which specifically preserve and protect minority cultures. And yet she labels these laws as "apartheid".

It borders on the ridiculous.

 

[Shusha]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

She argues that apartheid destablizes. I argue the opposite. Peace is achieved by actively seeking self-determination and sovereignty. Numerous examples are readily available, such as the former Yugoslavia. Allowing each ethnic and cultural group to fully express their individuality and values leads to peace.

 

[Hollie]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

The same crackpot who you trotted out as a part of your discredited ESCWA report.

What a laughable joke.

You should watch it. You might learn something.

Heaven forbid!

You should make an attempt to understand that charlatans such as Virginia Tilley have an obvious agenda (which mirrors yours). Do you really think anyone but you has an interest in weed whacking through the landscape of your silly cut and paste YouTube videos?

Zionists refuse to learn anything.

It shows in their posts.

I can understand you're angry and emotive but your deflated ego is not my problem.

The Zionists actually have learned the way of the world when it comes to islamic fascists. How many wars of aggression have you islamics waged (and lost), while attempting to annihilate the Jews?

Lesson learned, Chuckles. A beat down delivered to islamics is what tames the Islamist beast.

 

[Shusha]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

At around minute 15-16 she argues that the "vision of the two-state solution is fatally flawed". She reasons that withdrawal by Israel is not a viable or realistic expectation. I agree with her. Gaza taught us that lesson. Israeli withdrawal will not happen without some fundamental change in the Arab Palestinian mindset. But Israel absolutely holds withdrawal as her best option for the future. No other solution makes any sense. No other solution will preserve Israel.

She also reasons that any existence of Israel will maintain an apartheid state. On the contrary, Israel has demonstrated conclusively that she is capable of having a Jewish State with equality for all people.

 

[Shusha]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

And wait, what?! Now she says that any Palestinian State would only be a Bantustan with no real sovereignty? That the Arab Palestinians are incapable of creating sovereignty? Ridiculous.

Are the Catalans only going to create a Bantustan? Are they incapable of true sovereignty? Why or why not?

 

[Shusha]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

And finally, she concludes with her "re-conceiving" of the problem and asserts that the Jewish people must be conceived to be a people with NO right to self-determination. Which I believe was her end goal, and her arguments all deliberately constructed to reach that end goal.

I wonder if she would also argue against the self-determination of the Palestinians, the Catalans, Tibetans, Kurds, First Nations peoples, etc?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

The same crackpot who you trotted out as a part of your discredited ESCWA report.

What a laughable joke.

You should watch it. You might learn something.

Heaven forbid!

You should make an attempt to understand that charlatans such as Virginia Tilley have an obvious agenda (which mirrors yours). Do you really think anyone but you has an interest in weed whacking through the landscape of your silly cut and paste YouTube videos?

Zionists refuse to learn anything.

It shows in their posts.

Palestinians refuse to learn anything. They “ answer” a question by avoiding it. If the Arabs had won the 67 War would “ International Law” even be an issue or would Israel cease to exist? I think we know the answer.

Deflection.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That the Arab Palestinians are incapable of creating sovereignty?

Nobody mentioned that.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

One of the more interesting (and thankfully shorter) videos you've posted. Haven't finished it all yet. But immediately, it is apparent that her definition of "apartheid state" is so broad as to include nearly all states. She explicitly conflates "apartheid" with national identity, creating an equivalence between the two. Effectively, she is claiming that international laws prohibiting apartheid are incompatible with self-determination and thus a state must choose between the two as mutually exclusive options.

She is effectively saying that all peoples who establish or wish to establish self-determination and self-government based on their ethnicity or culture will be apartheid states: First Nations peoples of the Americas, Tibetans, Catalans, Czech Republic, Slovakia, all of the States of former Yugoslavia and USSR, Palestine, Jordan, Scotland, Ireland, Japan, China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, most of Africa, much of South America.
Even Canada has laws which specifically preserve and protect minority cultures. And yet she labels these laws as "apartheid".

It borders on the ridiculous.

But immediately, it is apparent that her definition of "apartheid state" is so broad as to include nearly all states. She explicitly conflates "apartheid" with national identity, creating an equivalence between the two.

No she didn't.

 

[Shusha]

Virginia Tilley: Does the U.S. Support an Apartheid State?

One of the more interesting (and thankfully shorter) videos you've posted. Haven't finished it all yet. But immediately, it is apparent that her definition of "apartheid state" is so broad as to include nearly all states. She explicitly conflates "apartheid" with national identity, creating an equivalence between the two. Effectively, she is claiming that international laws prohibiting apartheid are incompatible with self-determination and thus a state must choose between the two as mutually exclusive options.

She is effectively saying that all peoples who establish or wish to establish self-determination and self-government based on their ethnicity or culture will be apartheid states: First Nations peoples of the Americas, Tibetans, Catalans, Czech Republic, Slovakia, all of the States of former Yugoslavia and USSR, Palestine, Jordan, Scotland, Ireland, Japan, China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, most of Africa, much of South America.
Even Canada has laws which specifically preserve and protect minority cultures. And yet she labels these laws as "apartheid".

It borders on the ridiculous.

But immediately, it is apparent that her definition of "apartheid state" is so broad as to include nearly all states. She explicitly conflates "apartheid" with national identity, creating an equivalence between the two.

No she didn't.

Sure she does. At ~9:00, "the idea that Jews are a nation"

Specifically, deliberately conflating apartheid with national identity.