see YOU are the ONLY one that can think from themselves and is not brainwashed that has come on here that can think for themselves that has ANY clue what they are talking about. Thinker and Odium you two being the rare exceptions as well. although neither of you looked at the info i posted either. I expect that out of the pro vegas people but come on, not from the objective non biased people. come on guys it dont take that long to read the info of facts i posted in the OP and my third post that proves oakland has a strong case. dont just read the thread title guys and what you THINK to be true,.Look at the info in the OP AND "MOST IMPORTANTLY" MY THIRD POST as well.. Patriot here it looks like took the time to do so. thank you for doing that patriot. you are about the ONLY one here that has been objective and non biased. thank god for that i can FINALLY have an intelligent discussion with someone on this. Yes that is EXACTLY what I am saying but NOBODY is listening to except you being the one exception and that is because YOU took the time to read the info in my OP and also my third post as well.I again thank you for that.,for doing so Yes,see that is exactly what I been trying to say here.YOU understand that and get that. Yes in 2020 when Davis goes to Vegas he will have to go the SAME route that Art Modell took when he tried to move the Browns to Baltimore. Yes you are correct,there is ZERO chance Oakland will be able to stop the PLAYERS from going to Vegas.I never said the players would not go to vegas,David Carr and all the rest of the players will be in vegas yes you ARE correct.that cant be debated. But as you just said,oakland will retain the NAME and LOGO.they will go down and take the same path Cleveland did when they filed THEIR their lawsuit against Modell and the NFL. As you are aware,Modell after saying he would move the team to Baltimore,the city of Cleveland filed a lawsuit against Modell and the NFL when Modell threatend to take the team name with him. To avoid a lawsuit though and to keep it out of court,Modell and the NFL reached a settlement and offered to leave the team name in clevealand. The NFL they hate to go to court at all costs ESPECIALLY now in this day and age with all the corruption they have been exposed of doing Mark Davis is shitting his pants now .That moron does not have a clue WHY oakland has filed a lawsuit against him.He thinks THEY are the villains when all he did was LIE to them about his intentions that he wanted to stay in oakland but never tired working anything out.HE is the vilain,that stupid fuck cant see that though. Oakland has an even much stronger case against the NFL than st louis did and incredible as it sounds,an even STRONGER case against Mark Davis and the NFL than Cleveland did against Modell and the NFL as well that is WHY only an idiot would think the raiders NAME will be in vegas in 2020 here are the countless number of violations of NFL relocation rules that mark davis broke that will bite him in the ass and WHY he will have to let oakland retain their name and logo and the raiders NAME will stay in oakland while davis has a team in vegas like the las vegas outlaws or something like that.