BREAKING NEWS: Appeals court rules part of President Obama’s health care law unconsti

[Quantum Windbag]

Is this really what we want from our Government? Forcing Citizens to purchase something by way of threats & force? The Mandate has to be ended. It's just not right.

Cool. Lets get rid of licenses next.

Then we can work on copyrights. Heck..maybe even patents are unconstitional..even if they are in the constitution.

And maybe the mandate that hospitals must take patients is unconstitutional too.

I see dead people.

Copyrights are being misused, they should be discarded.

Patents, as applied, are definitely unconstitutional. Not to mention a tremendous drain on jobs and a huge obstacle to innovation.

Do you really want to take positions like that?

 

[JohnA]

Is this really what we want from our Government? Forcing Citizens to purchase something by way of threats & force? The Mandate has to be ended. It's just not right.

Cool. Lets get rid of licenses next.

Then we can work on copyrights. Heck..maybe even patents are unconstitional..even if they are in the constitution.

And maybe the mandate that hospitals must take patients is unconstitutional too.

I see dead people.

only hospitals that receive public money right decision
private clinics dont have to

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Doesn't change anything

Some courts have approved it others have denied

Have to wait for that 5-4 Supreme Court decision

Incorrect...

Once something is ruled unconstitutional it is deemed unconstitutional... It doesn't "Stay Constitutional" because one of three or for rulings say it's ok with them...

The other ruling you libs are married to said that it wasn't unconstitutional with regards to that case and those litigants... Those parties to the lawsuit can go about their merry ways with regards to 0bamacare if they want until appeal to a higher court smacks them down...

This case and the other one before it have ruled that the individual mandate clause is unconstitutional... Legally, the parties that brought forth this lawsuit (26 states) can ignore the individual mandate without any reprocussions...

Right now, more than half the states in the country do not have to force their residents to buy health insurance if they don't want to buy it....

I'm going to presume that you know what you're talking about here. The only thing is that I was under the impression that, when two appellate courts rule inconsistently, it becomes what's called "ripe" for the SCOTUS to take up. And that pending their determination the constitutional status of the law is undecided. You're saying this is incorrect, right?

It is actually correct.

The thing is, that if one circuit rules it unconstitutional, and another rules it constitutional, the ruling that says it is unconstitutional takes precedence. That is why DADT was considered unconstitutional when the 9th circuit ruled that way, even though the administration could point to other circuit courts that had said it was clearly constitutional.

Not that I expect you to understand the point I am making, but I can hope.

 

[JohnA]

Doesn't change anything

Some courts have approved it others have denied

Have to wait for that 5-4 Supreme Court decision

Can't wait till obamaturds socialistic obamacare is repealed. It does matter. The appeals court made the right dcision. Lefties cry cry cry because there socialism march just got slowed down.

Obamacare will not be repeal and here's why. First the Republicans would have to control both houses and the presidency, but let's assume that happens and it's now 2013 and Congress is in session. At that time most the healthcare provisions would have been implemented. Insurance companies, healthcare providers, state health and welfare and the federal government would have spent hundreds of millions to implement the plan. The healthcare exchanges would be opening up in a matter of months. In essence it would be too late.

What would happen is Republicans would introduce a bill that claimed to be a repeal which would include about 95% of what's in the current law plus Republican favorites such as tort reform and some other needed changes that would be supported by Democrats. Republicans could then finally claim they have repealed Obamacare, but not much would have changed.

IMHO, if Democrats are still in control in 2012, there will be another bill which incorporates needed changes to the law.

the congress did vote to repeal it the senate blocked it
assholes

House passes health law repeal - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

 

[bucs90]

Doesn't change anything

Some courts have approved it others have denied

Have to wait for that 5-4 Supreme Court decision

Can't wait till obamaturds socialistic obamacare is repealed. It does matter. The appeals court made the right dcision. Lefties cry cry cry because there socialism march just got slowed down.

Obamacare will not be repeal and here's why. First the Republicans would have to control both houses and the presidency, but let's assume that happens and it's now 2013 and Congress is in session. At that time most the healthcare provisions would have been implemented. Insurance companies, healthcare providers, state health and welfare and the federal government would have spent hundreds of millions to implement the plan. The healthcare exchanges would be opening up in a matter of months. In essence it would be too late.

What would happen is Republicans would introduce a bill that claimed to be a repeal which would include about 95% of what's in the current law plus Republican favorites such as tort reform and some other needed changes that would be supported by Democrats. Republicans could then finally claim they have repealed Obamacare, but not much would have changed.

IMHO, if Democrats are still in control in 2012, there will be another bill which incorporates needed changes to the law.

Or.....I just refuse to obey the "law". It's been ruled unconstitutional. If I dont buy healthcare, and they try to punish me with a fine, I simply refuse it. Just like criminal law, if the law is unconstitutional, then so is it's enforcement. It can be on the books all day long, but they can't enforce it.

 

[JohnA]

The country is on fire with problems and BO hasn't a clue as to which way to run so he will go on vacation next week. Many Americans can't afford vacations this year because of him and his buddies.

He is never on vacation.

Ever work at a job were you were on call 24/7? Well, take that experience and multiply it by say 100. The man does not get a vacation for 4 years. He is on the job for every minute of every day for the entire length of his term even while taking a crap.

Immie

i bet you was one of the dimocrats ( thats not a spelling mistake ) who complained that G bush was not available when the country was in crisis .

 

[Dr.House]

So I guess this means that privitzarion of SS is also unconstitutional?

Nobody proposed that all americans must invest their SS....

Swing and a miss...

Not even a good swing, either...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm going to presume that you know what you're talking about here. The only thing is that I was under the impression that, when two appellate courts rule inconsistently, it becomes what's called "ripe" for the SCOTUS to take up. And that pending their determination the constitutional status of the law is undecided. You're saying this is incorrect, right?

I didn't say SCOTUS wouldn't take the case... In fact, I believe they will...

My comments are only that 0bamacare has technically been ruled unconstitutional and those participating states are within their rights to tell the 0bama administration to pound salt...

It's been ruled constitution as well. The 11th circuit ruling is only binding in that jurisdiction . Not nation wide.

Technically, wrong.

 

[JohnA]

This isn't some highschool football game. There is no score kept idiot the last court ruling stands as law and the final decision UNLESS it is overturned.

Without the mandate there is no funding. Obamacare is effectively dead now.

Hahahahaha lulz

You cons crack me up. You do realize that the mandate has been held up in another decision, right? The Affordable Care Act is not dead. It will head to the SCOTUS, and despite what some delusional cons have said, the SCOTUS will not automatically go with the 11th's decision. Grow a brain. It might do you some good. Maroons, the lot of you.

It more likely that the SCOTUS will only take up whether individual mandates are constitutional. Even if it rules that they aren't, that doesn't kill the Act. It only sends it back to congress, for them to decide what to do.

that may kill the act if nobody buys the *mandate* there is no funding for the bill

 

[JohnA]

She won't at her own free will, that's a given. I see one hellofva fight over it though, because she should.

She may surprise us, But I wouldnt hold my breath

She should have recused herself from her supreme court nomination period, for her racist and legislating from the bench comments, but she didn't. She's a died in the wool, radical, militant, mexican, liberal feminazi, and she won't step away from anything unless she's forced. That's the way I see it.

i dont like her either

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The next issue is will Kagan have to recuse herself....

Prediction: She wont.
Not for any reason that resembles logic or precedence. It is simply political expedience. She will dress it up in some way or other, or her supporters. But Dems only care about power, not fairness, legality or anything else.

Yeah, really? When the republicans that signed a pledge not to increase taxes recuse themselves, then you might have a leg to stand on.

Why should they recuse themselves? Are they trying some sort of case that involves raising taxes?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Health care for Americans is bad. Better they die: Famous Republican Proverb

No one is denying you or anyone else healthcare. They are only saying that the US government cannot FORCE you to buy it. Just like the gov't can't force you to give birth to or abort a baby.

Gov't can't tell us what to do with our bodies...............right?

Not if you're Republican.

The truth comes out. You need the government to tell you what to do, and you resent everyone who thinks for themselves.

I know some Democrats that like to think for themselves, does that make them Republicans?

 

[Ali777]

You cons crack me up. You do realize that the mandate has been held up in another decision, right? The Affordable Care Act is not dead. It will head to the SCOTUS, and despite what some delusional cons have said, the SCOTUS will not automatically go with the 11th's decision. Grow a brain. It might do you some good. Maroons, the lot of you.

It more likely that the SCOTUS will only take up whether individual mandates are constitutional. Even if it rules that they aren't, that doesn't kill the Act. It only sends it back to congress, for them to decide what to do.

that may kill the act if nobody buys the *mandate* there is no funding for the bill

Why wouldn't there be any funding?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Union fAiL........jobs fAiL...........Court fAiL............Poll fAiL.............Global warming fAiL............Debt fAiL...........Stimulus fAil.................Keynesian economics fAiL...............

Who knew it would be so much fcukking fun around here to be a conservative with only half of 2011 over?? Not me..........but this has been priceless. Every day you look up, more misery for the k00ks!!!
And Im laughing..........just 24 short months ago, these mofu's were on top of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bout sums it up.

 

[uscitizen]

So I guess this means that privitzarion of SS is also unconstitutional?

Nobody proposed that all americans must invest their SS....

Swing and a miss...

Not even a good swing, either...

Nobody proposed?

You are in error as per usual.

 

[Ali777]

Epic fail, yet again.

When did congress critters sit on the court?

Ya' got me, man........Ya' got the tater!

All I know, is that this new guy is runnin' all over the board, and never seems to have a friggin' clue about much o' anything.

Why do you keep whining about me posting on this site?
I have to explain things to you like you're a two year old. You all were talking about fairness and how democrats only care about power. Republican sitting on the super committee that have signed a pledge to never raise taxes, under any circumstances, should recuse themselves, because part of their duties on that committee may involve raising taxes.

 

[Ali777]

Yeah, really? When the republicans that signed a pledge not to increase taxes recuse themselves, then you might have a leg to stand on.

Epic fail, yet again.

When did congress critters sit on the court?

Well gosh, if congress doesn't sit on the court, then obviously I must have
been referring to something else. It's not that complicated.

 

[Dr.House]

So I guess this means that privitzarion of SS is also unconstitutional?

Nobody proposed that all americans must invest their SS....

Swing and a miss...

Not even a good swing, either...

Nobody proposed?

You are in error as per usual.

Nobody proposed all americans MUST invest their SS...

You can't read, as per usual...

 

[Annie]

You cons crack me up. You do realize that the mandate has been held up in another decision, right? The Affordable Care Act is not dead. It will head to the SCOTUS, and despite what some delusional cons have said, the SCOTUS will not automatically go with the 11th's decision. Grow a brain. It might do you some good. Maroons, the lot of you.

It more likely that the SCOTUS will only take up whether individual mandates are constitutional. Even if it rules that they aren't, that doesn't kill the Act. It only sends it back to congress, for them to decide what to do.

that may kill the act if nobody buys the *mandate* there is no funding for the bill

I want the CBO report without the mandate. What would that future look like? Good grief!

 

[auditor0007]

hahaha. take that, commies.

One step closer to National Healthcare through a one payer system.