Break Up 9th Circuit

[Bush92]

I posted this thread about 6 days ago. Action in progress...thank God...
Republicans push bill to split up ‘nutty 9th Circuit’

 

[deannalw]

I've been offering this up as a grand idea for years. I'm glad I got the hell out of Cali, but forgot they can screw life up from afar.

 

[EverCurious]

"If the Supreme Court wasn't going to overturn lower court decisions, then we don't need a Supreme Court anymore," Lestingi argued.

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Holy fucking logic knot. The purpose of the circuit is to address matters regionally, not just to unilaterally pass it onto national judgement lol

 

[JimBowie1958]

The 9th is a joke and a bad joke at that. If they would do their freaking jobs right they wouldnt be over turned 80% of the time, but they are loser Dimmocrats that cant think like a human being, only with their emotions.

Dismantle the 9th and bury it in the Pacific Ocean so we dont have to smell its rotting corpse.

 

[Lewdog]

"If the Supreme Court wasn't going to overturn lower court decisions, then we don't need a Supreme Court anymore," Lestingi argued.

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Holy fucking logic knot. The purpose of the circuit is to address matters regionally, not just to unilaterally pass it onto national judgement lol

You do realize the Supreme Court doesn't just pick up laws to hear without it being judged by lower courts first right?

 

[EverCurious]

To portend say that it's "normal" for practically everything to go to the supreme and get overturned, then make a statement like that in defense is completely bizarre...

You claim to be a law student you know damn well what the circuit is there for.

 

[Lewdog]

To portend say that it's "normal" for practically everything to go to the supreme and get overturned, then make a statement like that in defense is completely bizarre...

You claim to be a law student you know damn well what the circuit is there for.

No... you obviously have no fucking clue what you are talking about. You don't even have a grasp on how the concept works...

 

[EverCurious]

Yeah do you? The regional court is supposed to help settle shit, not fucking make stupid ass rulings that constantly end up overturned in the SCOTUS because they basically ignore the laws and constitution to make up fantasies of "what it should be."

 

[Lewdog]

Yeah do you? The regional court is supposed to help settle shit, not fucking make stupid ass rulings that constantly end up overturned in the SCOTUS because they basically ignore the laws and constitution to make up fantasies of "what it should be."

What a fucking stupid thing to say... a court should quit deciding that they feel a law or an Executive Order is unconstitutional because some of their decisions get overturned...

 

[EverCurious]

Uhm dumbass in the article wasn't talking about the EO, he was talking about "in general" and so am I.

 

[Lewdog]

Uhm dumbass in the article wasn't talking about the EO, he was talking about "in general" and so am I.

It doesn't matter if it is the EO or any statutory law... The Supreme Court doesn't decide on its constitutionality until a lower court hears on it first.

 

[NoNukes]

If a court rules in opposition to what you believe, you should get rid of it?

 

[EverCurious]

Uhm dumbass in the article wasn't talking about the EO, he was talking about "in general" and so am I.

It doesn't matter if it is the EO or any statutory law... The Supreme Court doesn't decide on its constitutionality until a lower court hears on it first.

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Yes, but when the 9th constantly rules shit unconstitutional, and the SCOTUS basically says dafuq?!? 80% of the time and over turns it. That's the 9th fucking up.

 

[Lewdog]

Uhm dumbass in the article wasn't talking about the EO, he was talking about "in general" and so am I.

It doesn't matter if it is the EO or any statutory law... The Supreme Court doesn't decide on its constitutionality until a lower court hears on it first.

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Yes, but when the 9th constantly rules shit unconstitutional, and the SCOTUS basically says dafuq?!? 80% of the time and over turns it. That's the 9th fucking up.

No, no it's not. Do you have any clue how often the Supreme Court actually finds a law unconstitutional and creates Case Law from it? Go ahead... look that up. Tell me what percent of cases heard by the Supreme Court overall actually finds a law unconstitutional and creates Case Law.

You don't quit doing what you think is right just because the person above you not always finds you're right. Out of the 80% of the time the 9th Circuit sent a case to the Supreme Court, how many times was it struck down unanimously? Now how many times was it simply struck down by a simple majority?

 

[EverCurious]

Again like 80% of the 9th's rulings are overturned by SCOTUS. That's called FLAWED rulings by the 9th.

 

[Lewdog]

Again like 80% of the 9th's rulings are overturned by SCOTUS. That's called FLAWED rulings by the 9th.

You make that sound like a lot, but again you didn't look at what I asked. Do you understand the difference in their decision being overturned by a unanimous ruling and a 5-4 or 6-3 type ruling?

 

[EverCurious]

If you want actual numbers for your argument you can do the damned research for it.

Everyone in the country knows the 9th is nuts, hell its common knowledge up here in Alaska that everything has to get shit on in the 9th before a 'real' ruling is found.

2009 - "laws set by the West's powerful appeals court were overturned in 15 of the 16 cases reviewed this term by the U.S. Supreme Court." and "The high court historically reverses the majority of all cases it reviews -- 76% so far this term, with three decisions still pending. Legal analysts say that's because they seek to correct what they see as erroneous interpretations by lower courts or to settle conflicting views among the circuits about a law's meaning." (aka they make shit up in the hopes it sticks)

2011 - "Judges in the circuit's nine Western states are more liberal than the high court justices, who reversed or vacated 19 of the 26 decisions they examined for the last term." and "It was another bruising year for the liberal judges of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals as the Supreme Court overturned the majority of their decisions, at times sharply criticizing their legal reasoning. Appeals from the nine Western states of the circuit dominated the high court's docket, as usual, supplying more than 30% of the 84 cases taken up by the justices during the term that ended last month. The Supreme Court reversed or vacated 19 of the 26 decisions it looked at from the 9th Circuit this judicial term, issuing especially pointed critiques of the court's handling of cases involving prisoners' rights and death row reprieves." and "In their reversals, the justices often expressed impatience with what they see as stubborn refusal by the lower court to follow Supreme Court precedent." and "The 9th Circuit's track record tends to be above average most years: two years ago, 94% of the circuit's cases were reversed." and "The conservative faction on the 9th Circuit is often outvoted when the full court is asked to rehear a divisive case. But they have been getting the Supreme Court's attention — and intervention — by banding together to write dissenting opinions." - U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals: U.S. Supreme Court again rejects most 9th Circuit decisions

 

[Bush92]

"If the Supreme Court wasn't going to overturn lower court decisions, then we don't need a Supreme Court anymore," Lestingi argued.

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Holy fucking logic knot. The purpose of the circuit is to address matters regionally, not just to unilaterally pass it onto national judgement lol

You do realize the Supreme Court doesn't just pick up laws to hear without it being judged by lower courts first right?

Can we have national security at same time while process works it way out?

 

[frigidweirdo]

I posted this thread about 6 days ago. Action in progress...thank God...
Republicans push bill to split up ‘nutty 9th Circuit’

Oh great.

US presidential election seen as being biased against Trump, must change the system.
US Presidential election favors the right. Must be kept.
9th Circuit court doesn't favor the right, must be split up.

 

[Dr Grump]

I posted this thread about 6 days ago. Action in progress...thank God...
Republicans push bill to split up ‘nutty 9th Circuit’

Right. Because you don't like something you want to destroy it. How are you Kim Jong un?