Blunt Amendment DEFEATED! DOWN IN FLAMES!

[LogikAndReazon]

the federal govt should just adopt helpless, liberal ,dependent, welfare moochers .........

 

[Oddball]

It can be, fool.

Not anymore so than an oil change on your car is "mechanical work", psychotic freak.

58% of women on oral contraceptives use it for reasons other than family planning.

Protect Women's Access to Contraception

I seriously doubt that 58% number.

Nonetheless, nobody is pushing this latest effort by the moocher class as anything other than a "reproductive justice" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) issue....If women want to fuck like rabbits, let them pay for their own birth control.

 

[Decepticon]

Congress to make war is in the Constitution.Article I. Sec. 8.
Remember that Dem's also voted to go to war with Iraq Decepticon
So is freedom of religion.
But Senate Dem's just proved how anti constitutional they are.

So what if dems voted to go to war with Iraq?
My moral and religious objections were ignored and I had to pay for it. It doesn't matter WHO passed the immoral law.
Oh and to be technical, congress and the dems authorized BUSH to go to war if HE deemed it necessary. So, the onus for going to war is on the Bush Administration.
HENCE the TITLE of the legislation that allowed him to do it.
Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But if a business cannot be compelled to pay for something it finds morally objectionable (although how a BUSINESS or CORPORATION can make moral assessments, without suffering from the same mortal weaknesses as humans is beyond me), why am I compelled to pay my taxes to pay for something I find morally objectionable ?
The principle is the same. But, CONZ would never DREAM of applying consistent logic to their positions.

No one is currently telling employees what procedures they can and can't get but the insurance company death panels. Now Republicans would add your employer to that mix.

I would ask, how many of your employers have kept the same coverage for their employees and didn't ask employees to pay more in premiums for the last 10 years or so?
And you want to give them the chance to bend you over again?

You can lead a CON to an idea, but you can't make him THINK!

 

[Disturbed1]

Geez.

Another thread where all the CONZ can do is spew their meaningless opinions.

Here's the AMENDMENT to the TRANSPORTATION bill morons. Way to keep on target!




Frickin educate yourselves before talking about the issue.
Your party just stick a fork in their own eye. Insisting that they didn't and shushing the people who laughed at that smooth move won't fix your reputations. Nothing can.
America knows you are scum.

In bold?

I suggest you practice what you preach.

***************************
I agree. He may have read the bill, but I don't think he understands what he read.

 

[Oddball]

Congress to make war is in the Constitution.Article I. Sec. 8.
Remember that Dem's also voted to go to war with Iraq Decepticon
So is freedom of religion.
But Senate Dem's just proved how anti constitutional they are.

So what if dems voted to go to war with Iraq?
My moral and religious objections were ignored and I had to pay for it. It doesn't matter WHO passed the immoral law.
Oh and to be technical, congress and the dems authorized BUSH to go to war if HE deemed it necessary. So, the onus for going to war is on the Bush Administration.
HENCE the TITLE of the legislation that allowed him to do it.
Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But if a business cannot be compelled to pay for something it finds morally objectionable (although how a BUSINESS or CORPORATION can make moral assessments, without suffering from the same mortal weaknesses as humans is beyond me), why am I compelled to pay my taxes to pay for something I find morally objectionable ?
The principle is the same. But, CONZ would never DREAM of applying consistent logic to their positions.

No one is currently telling employees what procedures they can and can't get but the insurance company death panels. Now Republicans would add your employer to that mix.

I would ask, how many of your employers have kept the same coverage for their employees and didn't ask employees to pay more in premiums for the last 10 years or so?
And you want to give them the chance to bend you over again?

You can lead a CON to an idea, but you can't make him THINK!

How about just paying for it because it's your fucking r-r-r-r-r-responsibility to?

Nope...Can't have that.

 

[Decepticon]

Not anymore so than an oil change on your car is "mechanical work", psychotic freak.

58% of women on oral contraceptives use it for reasons other than family planning.

Protect Women's Access to Contraception

I seriously doubt that 58% number.

Nonetheless, nobody is pushing this latest effort by the moocher class as anything other than a "reproductive justice" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) issue....If women want to fuck like rabbits, let them pay for their own birth control.

And you were able to reach that conclusion because you're a qualified physician in reproduction or have done 5 minutes of research on the web, right?

 

[Oddball]

58% of women on oral contraceptives use it for reasons other than family planning.

Protect Women's Access to Contraception

I seriously doubt that 58% number.

Nonetheless, nobody is pushing this latest effort by the moocher class as anything other than a "reproductive justice" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) issue....If women want to fuck like rabbits, let them pay for their own birth control.

And you were able to reach that conclusion because you're a qualified physician in reproduction or have done 5 minutes of research on the web, right?

No, because socialists lie as a matter of course.

 

[DiamondDave]

In bold?

It is BS like that that comes with everyone of your posts as the reason I see you as an immature, illiterate child.

If that is your take on the GOP position, then you have the listening and reading comprehension skills of a thimble.

Oh, really.
Perhaps you can point out what part of what I said that was untrue?

WOULD the Blunt Amendment have allowed employers to deny medical procedures their EMPLOYEES HAD PAID THEIR PREMIUMS FOR??

Yes or no?

It's just that simple.


Here's the argument you CONZ are making...

“This issue gets right at the heart of who we are as a people,” said Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R) of Kentucky, in an opening floor speech on Thursday. “It is not in the power of the federal government to tell anybody what to believe or to punish them for practicing those beliefs,” he added.

Golly...I guess this means I get my taxes back that went to support the Iraq war then?

Do you see how PROFOUNDLY RETARDED that position is?
ANYONE could claim a "moral exemption" from ANYTHING they don't like. And what's the standard for qualifying for a "moral objection"? A person's statement ?

This isn't a first amendment issue any more than my Aunt Sally. That CONZ try to desperately frame it as such, only goes to show how DESPERATE they are to motivate their base, which is suffering from teabagging fatigue and a dismal choice of out of touch candidates.

1) if it is not in the plan THEN IT IS NOT BEING PAID FOR
2) Should employers be forced to pay for your recreational activities? NO

We should all be able to agree that the purpose of sex in the animal kingdom is for procreation... We as evolved beings have learned thru reasoning and cognitive thought that sex feels good and that we can do this without trying to procreate in order to feel good when we want to in this way. When we do things to be happy/feel good, it is RECREATION... You do not HAVE To do such an activity. Nobody OWES it to you. If you wish to partake, then it is your responsibility. Now, is it NICE when an employer pays for birth control in their benefits package that includes medical coverage of some sort? Yep.. Does a benefits package full of things people like, want, or demand draw in more and/or better employees? Yes... But if an employer DOES NOT WISH TO participate in supplying for your recreational behavior that they do not agree with, IT IS NOT UP TO THE GOVERNMENT TO FORCE THEM TO

Idiot

To repeat, for the idiot decepticon

 

[Mustang]

So, will conservative women give up their health plans' free contraceptives to please the Republican leadership?

Will conservatives refuse to allow their preexisting conditions to be covered under their health care plans?

Will conservatives refuse to continue to allow their children (from the of 18 to 26) to be covered on their health insurance plans?

Will conservatives refuse to accept no lifetime cap on health coverage for chronic illnesses?

 

[Oddball]

So, will conservative women give up their health plans' free contraceptives to please the Republican leadership?

Will conservatives refuse to allow their preexisting conditions to be covered under their health care plans?

Will conservatives refuse to continue to allow their children (from the of 18 to 26) to be covered on their health insurance plans?

Will conservatives refuse to accept no lifetime cap on health coverage for chronic illnesses?

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

 

[Mustang]

So, will conservative women give up their health plans' free contraceptives to please the Republican leadership?

Will conservatives refuse to allow their preexisting conditions to be covered under their health care plans?

Will conservatives refuse to continue to allow their children (from the of 18 to 26) to be covered on their health insurance plans?

Will conservatives refuse to accept no lifetime cap on health coverage for chronic illnesses?

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

Are you referring to the red states like Mississippi that receive much more in federal tax revenue than they pay in federal taxes? Blue states are subsidizing red states.

 

[Syphon]

Congress to make war is in the Constitution.Article I. Sec. 8.
Remember that Dem's also voted to go to war with Iraq Decepticon
So is freedom of religion.
But Senate Dem's just proved how anti constitutional they are.

freedom of religion also gives me the freedom from your religion as well.

 

[Syphon]

So, will conservative women give up their health plans' free contraceptives to please the Republican leadership?

Will conservatives refuse to allow their preexisting conditions to be covered under their health care plans?

Will conservatives refuse to continue to allow their children (from the of 18 to 26) to be covered on their health insurance plans?

Will conservatives refuse to accept no lifetime cap on health coverage for chronic illnesses?

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

since i live in california and we pay more in tax dollars than we get back from the fed, can i ask alabama to stop mooching off us since they get more tax dollars back than they pay in?

 

[Oddball]

So, will conservative women give up their health plans' free contraceptives to please the Republican leadership?

Will conservatives refuse to allow their preexisting conditions to be covered under their health care plans?

Will conservatives refuse to continue to allow their children (from the of 18 to 26) to be covered on their health insurance plans?

Will conservatives refuse to accept no lifetime cap on health coverage for chronic illnesses?

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

Are you referring to the red states like Mississippi that receive much more in federal tax revenue than they pay in federal taxes? Blue states are subsidizing red states.

So, will conservative women give up their health plans' free contraceptives to please the Republican leadership?

Will conservatives refuse to allow their preexisting conditions to be covered under their health care plans?

Will conservatives refuse to continue to allow their children (from the of 18 to 26) to be covered on their health insurance plans?

Will conservatives refuse to accept no lifetime cap on health coverage for chronic illnesses?

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

since i live in california and we pay more in tax dollars than we get back from the fed, can i ask alabama to stop mooching off us since they get more tax dollars back than they pay in?

That myth has already been debunked so many times that it's laughable that you two twirps would try to invoke it.

Time to try another lie.

 

[Syphon]

Oh, really.
Perhaps you can point out what part of what I said that was untrue?

WOULD the Blunt Amendment have allowed employers to deny medical procedures their EMPLOYEES HAD PAID THEIR PREMIUMS FOR??

Yes or no?

It's just that simple.


Here's the argument you CONZ are making...

“This issue gets right at the heart of who we are as a people,” said Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R) of Kentucky, in an opening floor speech on Thursday. “It is not in the power of the federal government to tell anybody what to believe or to punish them for practicing those beliefs,” he added.

Golly...I guess this means I get my taxes back that went to support the Iraq war then?

Do you see how PROFOUNDLY RETARDED that position is?
ANYONE could claim a "moral exemption" from ANYTHING they don't like. And what's the standard for qualifying for a "moral objection"? A person's statement ?

This isn't a first amendment issue any more than my Aunt Sally. That CONZ try to desperately frame it as such, only goes to show how DESPERATE they are to motivate their base, which is suffering from teabagging fatigue and a dismal choice of out of touch candidates.

1) if it is not in the plan THEN IT IS NOT BEING PAID FOR
2) Should employers be forced to pay for your recreational activities? NO

We should all be able to agree that the purpose of sex in the animal kingdom is for procreation... We as evolved beings have learned thru reasoning and cognitive thought that sex feels good and that we can do this without trying to procreate in order to feel good when we want to in this way. When we do things to be happy/feel good, it is RECREATION... You do not HAVE To do such an activity. Nobody OWES it to you. If you wish to partake, then it is your responsibility. Now, is it NICE when an employer pays for birth control in their benefits package that includes medical coverage of some sort? Yep.. Does a benefits package full of things people like, want, or demand draw in more and/or better employees? Yes... But if an employer DOES NOT WISH TO participate in supplying for your recreational behavior that they do not agree with, IT IS NOT UP TO THE GOVERNMENT TO FORCE THEM TO

Idiot

To repeat, for the idiot decepticon

do you understand how insurance works? you are already paying for other people services. every time you pay your premium and dont use services you are paying for other people services. are you protesting your health insurer on a daily basis making sure that your exact premium dollars are not being used for any procedures you dont agree with?

 

[DiamondDave]

1) if it is not in the plan THEN IT IS NOT BEING PAID FOR
2) Should employers be forced to pay for your recreational activities? NO

We should all be able to agree that the purpose of sex in the animal kingdom is for procreation... We as evolved beings have learned thru reasoning and cognitive thought that sex feels good and that we can do this without trying to procreate in order to feel good when we want to in this way. When we do things to be happy/feel good, it is RECREATION... You do not HAVE To do such an activity. Nobody OWES it to you. If you wish to partake, then it is your responsibility. Now, is it NICE when an employer pays for birth control in their benefits package that includes medical coverage of some sort? Yep.. Does a benefits package full of things people like, want, or demand draw in more and/or better employees? Yes... But if an employer DOES NOT WISH TO participate in supplying for your recreational behavior that they do not agree with, IT IS NOT UP TO THE GOVERNMENT TO FORCE THEM TO

Idiot

To repeat, for the idiot decepticon

do you understand how insurance works? you are already paying for other people services. every time you pay your premium and dont use services you are paying for other people services. are you protesting your health insurer on a daily basis making sure that your exact premium dollars are not being used for any procedures you dont agree with?

Do yo understand that the price of your policy and what is provided CHANGES depending on the packages you choose?? Do you understand that you can add or subtract services when negotiating with insurance companies??

I do not have to agree with the church or whatever else to support their right to choose what they offer in their benefits to employees...

 

[Syphon]

To repeat, for the idiot decepticon

do you understand how insurance works? you are already paying for other people services. every time you pay your premium and dont use services you are paying for other people services. are you protesting your health insurer on a daily basis making sure that your exact premium dollars are not being used for any procedures you dont agree with?

Do yo understand that the price of your policy and what is provided CHANGES depending on the packages you choose?? Do you understand that you can add or subtract services when negotiating with insurance companies??

I do not have to agree with the church or whatever else to support their right to choose what they offer in their benefits to employees...

correct, that is for your policy only. if that company you are purchasing through allows for it. some do, some do not allow "a la carte" services. some make you change plans completely, changing co pays, and deductibles and such. just try calling united health care, or kaiser or blue cross ask them if they will remove birth control, or exact specific services from your plan. i guarantee the answer would be, no. you dont have to choose to use them, but they cost of their plans include access to them.

you avoided my questions though. do you understand that you are already paying for others services every time you pay your premium? are you regularly protesting against your health insurance company for providing services you dont agree with?

 

[Syphon]

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

Are you referring to the red states like Mississippi that receive much more in federal tax revenue than they pay in federal taxes? Blue states are subsidizing red states.

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

since i live in california and we pay more in tax dollars than we get back from the fed, can i ask alabama to stop mooching off us since they get more tax dollars back than they pay in?

That myth has already been debunked so many times that it's laughable that you two twirps would try to invoke it.

Time to try another lie.

hmmm apparantly you are wrong:

The Tax Foundation - Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005
Ezra Klein - The red state ripoff
Iowans Collected More Federal Benefits Than They Paid In Federal Taxes | ThinkProgress
United States Federal Tax Dollars -
PolitiFact | 'Red State Socialism' graphic says GOP-leaning states get lion's share of federal dollars

even politifact rates this as mostly true. (although their data is 7 years old now)

Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In | Mother Jones
America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist

SOME American states receive more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes; others receive less. Over twenty years these fiscal transfers can add up to a sizeable sum. From 1990 to 2009, the federal government spent $1.44 trillion in Virginia but collected less than $850 billion in taxes, a gap of over $590 billion. But relative to the size of its economy, Virginia derived a smaller benefit from America’s fiscal union than states like New Mexico, Mississippi and West Virginia, where the 20-year transfer exceeded 200% of their annual GDP. Transfers to Puerto Rico, which is a US territory not a fully incorporated state, exceeded 290%. Where did these transfers come from? New York transferred over $950 billion to the rest of America’s fiscal union from 1990 to 2009. But relative to the size of its economy, Delaware made the biggest contribution, equivalent to more than twice its 2009 GDP. These calculations are based on tax figures provided by the Internal Revenue Service (which used to bracket Washington, DC, with Maryland) and federal spending numbers provided by the Census Bureau, which ignores spending on international programmes and interest payments.

 

[Mustang]

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

Are you referring to the red states like Mississippi that receive much more in federal tax revenue than they pay in federal taxes? Blue states are subsidizing red states.

Will socialists ever quit trying to mooch from their neighbors?

since i live in california and we pay more in tax dollars than we get back from the fed, can i ask alabama to stop mooching off us since they get more tax dollars back than they pay in?

That myth has already been debunked so many times that it's laughable that you two twirps would try to invoke it.

Time to try another lie.

Whether you like it or not, it's a fact. You won't have any problem finding the real numbers since it's public information.

The Tax Foundation - Federal Spending Received Per Dollar of Taxes Paid by State, 2005

 

[Claudette]

Not anymore so than an oil change on your car is "mechanical work", psychotic freak.

58% of women on oral contraceptives use it for reasons other than family planning.

Protect Women's Access to Contraception

I seriously doubt that 58% number.

Nonetheless, nobody is pushing this latest effort by the moocher class as anything other than a "reproductive justice" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) issue....If women want to fuck like rabbits, let them pay for their own birth control.

I agree.

If you want BC pills then go buy the damned things.

Why should everyone pay higher premium costs so some dimwit can get "free" BC pills.

Common sense. Oh wait I forgot. Ain't none of that in Congress. Never mind.

Oh and BTW I wouldn't call 48-51 down in flames. Jeeze.