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    1. "Bureau of Labor Statistics Economists contributors to the Democratic Party and Obama....No wonder No One Believes the September Jobs Numbers....

    2. At least two economists at the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) have contributed to President Barack Obama’s campaign.

    3. Harley Frazis of Bethesda, MD, has contributed at least $2,000 to Obama and $9,000 to the Democratic National Convention over the last three election cycles. During his time at BLS, Harley has published a number of papers including his most recent, “How to Think About Time-Use Data: What Inferences Can We Make About Long- and Short-Run Time Use from Time Diaries?

    4. Stephen Phillips of Washington, D.C., has contributed at least $270 to Obama during the 2012 cycle. ...Phillips was responsible for examining the impact of Obamacare on Healthcare North American Industry Classification System indices. ..."
    Nobama 2012: Bureau of Labor Statistics Economists contributors to the Democratic Party and Obama....No wonder No One Believes the September Jobs Numbers....
     
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    And your source is Nobama 2012
    I always trust resources like that.
     
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    So...the implication of your post is that you disbelieve same?

    Really?


    Why? Fear?

    Fear that the obvious 'coincidence' of the improvement in the unemployment number is not tied to the fact that the pencil pushers who favor "The ONE" are the same that calculated the number?

    That's it, isn't it.




    Tell me...does this make you eat your words?


    "BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff
    October 5, 2012 1:28 pm

    At least two economists at the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) have contributed to President Barack Obama’s campaign. Harley Frazis of Bethesda, MD, has contributed at least $2,000 to Obama and $9,000 to the Democratic National Convention over the last three election cycles. During his time at BLS, Harley has published a number of papers including his most recent, “How to Think About Time-Use Data: What Inferences Can We Make About Long- and Short-Run Time Use from Time Diaries?”
    http://freebeacon.com/meet-the-obama-donors-at-the-bls/
     
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    I just read somewhere that obama raised 150 mil last month breaking all campaign records. My question is, who exactly is donating to him? Must be our tax money from the welfare tits! haha.
     
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    I have to ask some questions, then I will give the answers.

    So why is it wrong to wonder whether the BLS stats have been fudged?

    I’ll give you three answers, in order of how convincing I find them.

    First, if you know and understand the BLS and its structure — its statutory structure and its employment structure — you understand this simply isn’t how things happen. The BLS is independent of the Department of Labor. If you go to the BLS website, you won’t even find a picture of the Secretary of Labor there. It’s completely firewalled.

    The one exception to this would be the Commissioner of the BLS. The president appoints a BLS commissioner, but for most of this administration it’s been a Republican. When his term ran out, Congress refused to confirm Obama’s appointee. So the current commissioner is in fact a career guy from within BLS, and if you know the institution at all, the BLS is an institution of nerds, by nerds.

    So you could even argue that Republicans have protected the BLS from political influence by refusing to confirm an Obama appointee?

    Those would be your words, not mine!

    But there is literally not a political appointee in the building. Furthermore, the process involves so many staff, and the culture of independence is one of, if not the most, deep-seated value within the organization. The problem with the conspiracy theory is that there are so many staff who work on the numbers in various stages that such a conspiracy would be pretty much implausible. Were one to even attempt to do that there would be so many whistleblowers that you would have heard about it already.

    I know these people, I’ve seen how they work, I know the culture — it’s unthinkable.

    Secondly: Who believes the numbers are being manipulated? Certainly you could look at your twitter feed and Fox news and worry about it right now, but sophisticated players clearly don’t. Watch what happened to the stock market — if there was something wrong with the numbers that wingnuts on fringe blogs could figure out, presumably savvy financial market traders would have figured the same thing out as well. But savvy financial market traders are clearly trading as if this morning’s report was good news. Very good news. So these people have to be claiming that not only is there a conspiracy but that they are smarter and more aware of it than Goldman Sachs and various other savvy financial market traders.

    And the third argument — which I find the least convincing, but it’s at least worth mentioning — is if you were going to fiddle the numbers, this isn’t how you would do it. There’s a strong counterargument that Obama has actually been somewhat unlucky. The BLS discovered two weeks ago that they had been undercounting jobs growth in the previous year by 32,000 a month. So Obama could have had much much stronger headlines for each month of the previous year. Would the president have wanted such dire headlines? Quite clearly, no. And if you were going to manipulate anything, what you would manipulate would be the headline payroll number, which was 114,000 — bang on expectations.



    So what explains all the revisions? Last month’s and July’s payroll numbers both got big upward revisions. Where do these new numbers come from?

    The payroll number literally comes from a survey of firms. The BLS asks them how many people on your payroll, and some firms just get around to filling out their surveys late, and send them in late. So what we’ve learned here is that there are a bunch of firms over the last few months which were basically too busy hiring people to fill in their forms on time. This is a fairly standard cyclical response — you also see it when firing becomes a really big issue — sometimes firms are too busy firing people.


    I hope you enjoy the read, and I welcome debate with facts in return.
     
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    Wow, donating must mean these two people are liars and cheats and liberals. Harly is the only person at the BLS to collate and report out - no one checks the results he publishers - these left wing liberal conclusions.

    And Phillips, hell everyone knows about him, he is the only one in his agency to report out on the impact of "Obamacare". Another liar and cheat.

    Thanks PC, you make everything so simple even a Willow Tree can understand.
     
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    Being you think you're so smart, why don't you show us the math which lowers the unemployment rate from 8.1% down to 7.8% with a mere 114k jobs created, not even enough jobs to keep pace with population growth?? Let's see it.. LIBRUL FUZZY MATH..
     
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    This is so awesome!
     
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    Yes it is! Barack Obama and his contributors AT THE BLS fudged the numbers and are about to be busted for it.. Chicago Thug politics don't belong in the WH.
     
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    not a factual argument, please bring facts and a real argument///////next

    also EDIT: I JUST DID READ MY POST!
     

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