Black Civil Rights Struggle = Rights for Gays to Marry (huh?!?)

[Sunni Man]

Denial of black civil rights was based on irrational stereotyping and blatant bigotry.

Denial of homo rights is based on the protection of society and the safety of it's citizens.

What damage has been caused by gays requiring social protection?

Seems to me the most damage caused by homosexuality are the reactions of the bigots. Think about it for a moment......imagine if all the whining about gays were to be suddenly stopped.....what actual damage is caused by gay people?

Civilized society is based family.

Family is the backbone of all civilizations.

Families are based on a man and a woman, plus any children that they have.

Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle that breaks up families.

Homo marriage is an abomination that destroys the traditional concept of marriage.

When a society legalizes homo marriage and lifestyle.

It is a symptom of a nation and a culture that is in decay and dying.

That's why I call for the criminalization of homosexuality and all homos be arrested and locked up as criminals.

 

[CurveLight]

I feel so dirty, but the Bass has a general point; I cannot with a just mind equate Black Civil Rights movement with that of gays. There are similarities, but that is the most that I can acknowledge. It's like equating a bruised knee with a shattered knee - severity is the differential.

If you notice though, that Bass is the only one that has stepped up in the debate with an "anti" position, and no one is taking the "pro" position.

Bass is trolling, plain and simple.

faggot you've been trolling this whole thread and started off with insults which you admit, insults don't constitute a refutation.

When your op was refuted you falsely claimed a strawman and when that was refuted your computer must have accidentally glitched out that and any other post that contains information you feel incapable of addressing.

I'm obviously new here but it seems you bounce around making incredibly demonstrably false claims and in between avoiding admitting errors or acknowledging valid points, you make posts that could be confused for gay porn. Your choice of an avatar was a very wise one. Without it nobody would ever be able to guess you are someone who tries to emulate Christ.

 

[JD_2B]

Denial of black civil rights was based on irrational stereotyping and blatant bigotry.

Denial of homo rights is based on the protection of society and the safety of it's citizens.

What damage has been caused by gays requiring social protection?

Seems to me the most damage caused by homosexuality are the reactions of the bigots. Think about it for a moment......imagine if all the whining about gays were to be suddenly stopped.....what actual damage is caused by gay people?

Civilized society is based family.

Family is the backbone of all civilizations.

Families are based on a man and a woman, plus any children that they have.

Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle that breaks up families.

Homo marriage is an abomination that destroys the traditional concept of marriage.

When a society legalizes homo marriage and lifestyle.

It is a symptom of a nation and a culture that is in decay and dying.

That's why I call for the criminalization of homosexuality and all homos be arrested and locked up as criminals.

What difference does it make whether a person has both a father and a mother?

Family is what you make it... For some children, it is the group of people down at Al-Anon, for other kids it is the group of folks warming their hands on a trash bin fire, down at the overpass...Some people have the big brothers, big sisters program- those mentors are the closest thing to love they have ever experienced...

So really- What difference does it make, when in the real world- it still takes a village?

 

[Sunni Man]

So really- What difference does it make, when in the real world- it still takes a village?

Hillary is that you???

 

[JD_2B]

So really- What difference does it make, when in the real world- it still takes a village?

Hillary is that you???

Lovely... That was funny.. You made a funny- GRATS!

But really.. what diff does it make???

Or maybe, since when are children so limited to communicating and learning from people only at their residential address?

 

[CurveLight]

Denial of black civil rights was based on irrational stereotyping and blatant bigotry.

Denial of homo rights is based on the protection of society and the safety of it's citizens.

What damage has been caused by gays requiring social protection?

Seems to me the most damage caused by homosexuality are the reactions of the bigots. Think about it for a moment......imagine if all the whining about gays were to be suddenly stopped.....what actual damage is caused by gay people?

Civilized society is based family.

Family is the backbone of all civilizations.

Families are based on a man and a woman, plus any children that they have.

Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle that breaks up families.

Homo marriage is an abomination that destroys the traditional concept of marriage.

When a society legalizes homo marriage and lifestyle.

It is a symptom of a nation and a culture that is in decay and dying.

That's why I call for the criminalization of homosexuality and all homos be arrested and locked up as criminals.

None of that answered the question and simply repeated the process of slandering gays with absolutely no supporting evidence. Telling everyone how much you do not like gays in 62,000 different ways does nothing to justify your position and each time false charges are made it simple creates a tighter noose on the bigotry rope.

Here is an example. If I said gay marriage will not harm hetero marriage then I would need to offer some type of supporting evidence. Since gay marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for a few years now let's look at the effects:

"Provisional 2008 data from the CDC's National Vital Statistics Report show that after over four years of legal same-sex marriage, the divorce rate in Massachusetts has actually dropped, from 2.3 per thousand residents in 2007 to about 2.0 per thousand in 2008, the lowest rate in the nation—and one that hasn’t been seen since the 1940's."
Low Massachusetts divorce rate another defeat for same-sex marriage opponents

It's also worth noting MA had the lowest divorce rate in the nation prior to same sex marriage. Your claim of gays causing "decay" is clearly proven false. I suspect the info will get dismissed because bigotry only exists in the world of ignorance and I am so not arrogant enough to believe any info I post will wake up even one person who is so obscenely hateful of gays. This is about walking the walk and supporting what is claimed.

It's also worth pointing out the group with the loudest whining about gays in US have the highest divorce rates.
Evangelicals: Why Do We Have the Highest Divorce Rate? - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

That survey is ten years old but it was conducted by evangelicals and I'm really hoping it will be dismissed simply because it was done in 1999. Then I can post a more recent survey showing there has not been any noteworthy improvement.


So I will try again.....what are the specific damages caused by gays that require "social protection?"

 

[CurveLight]

So really- What difference does it make, when in the real world- it still takes a village?

Hillary is that you???

Ugh. She is so not the source of that phrase and it's horrible to see her name associated with anything of virtue or social value.

 

[JD_2B]

So really- What difference does it make, when in the real world- it still takes a village?

Hillary is that you???

Ugh. She is so not the source of that phrase and it's horrible to see her name associated with anything of virtue or social value.

I know, right, lol- It was first coined centuries ago by the Igbo Culture of Africa, who, by the way, did very well in "going forth and multiplying",
PLUS Jane Cowen Fisher wrote a book in 1994 called "It takes a village"..

Hillary is just a damned piggybacker of epic proportions, is all.

From "Proverb: It Takes a Whole Village to Raise a Child". H-Africa (a member of H-Net's consortium of scholarly lists). Proverb: It takes a Whole Village to Raise a Child. Retrieved 2007-12-01

In Lunyoro (Banyoro) there is a proverb that says 'Omwana takulila nju emoi,' whose literal translation is 'A child does not grow up only in a single home.' In Kihaya (Bahaya) there is a saying, 'Omwana taba womoi,' which translates as 'A child belongs not to one parent or home.' In Kijita (Wajita) there is a proverb which says 'Omwana ni wa bhone,' meaning regardless of a child's biological parent(s) its upbringing belongs to the community. In Kiswahili the proverb 'Asiyefunzwa na mamae hufunzwa na ulimwengu' approximates to the same."

 

[CurveLight]

Thanks for posting the links! (I was too lazy and so far it seems like posting evidence of a claim is a sure way to slow a thread way down.)

 

[Father Time]

Did bass ever explain why he revived a topic from last year?
EDIT: Guess not, Bass why are you posting an issue from Nov. 2008?

 

[Father Time]

Denial of black civil rights was based on irrational stereotyping and blatant bigotry.

Denial of homo rights is based on the protection of society and the safety of it's citizens.

What damage has been caused by gays requiring social protection?

Seems to me the most damage caused by homosexuality are the reactions of the bigots. Think about it for a moment......imagine if all the whining about gays were to be suddenly stopped.....what actual damage is caused by gay people?

I hate the idea of faggits having sex, now how is that hurting and damaging you?

Nothing, which is why we don't have thoughtcrime. Now answer the question.

 

[froggy]

Another bullshit thread about gay people started by someone who knows less about the subject than I do about sports.

who know gays better than gays?

 

[CurveLight]

Denial of black civil rights was based on irrational stereotyping and blatant bigotry.

Denial of homo rights is based on the protection of society and the safety of it's citizens.

What damage has been caused by gays requiring social protection?

Seems to me the most damage caused by homosexuality are the reactions of the bigots. Think about it for a moment......imagine if all the whining about gays were to be suddenly stopped.....what actual damage is caused by gay people?

I hate the idea of faggits having sex, now how is that hurting and damaging you?

I didn't ask how you felt about what others do in the privacy of their own lives. The best you can do is ignore a simple question? When you answer the question I will answer yours. I think we all know why you avoided answering. It's because there is no damage caused by gays that justify your bigotry. Why not simply man up and admit your hatred exists but it is unjustified and you lack the mental maturity necessary to comprehending and disabusing this darkness?

 

[QUENTIN]

It's always funny to see people get off the boat then immediately start throwing rocks at the people behind them. Your simple and irrational bigotry against homosexuals and refusal to grant gay Americans the same rights any other citizen enjoys are the same as the irrational bigotry against black Americans that led to refusal to grant them the right to vote, get a good education, or have the laws apply to protect them.

To do anything but allow for gays to marry or for all marriages regardless of sex to be respected by the government as equal "civil unions" is to divide the country arbitrarily into "citizens" and "gay citizens". What makes homosexuals any different as Americans than heterosexuals, besides what they do consensually with their genitals? To not unequivocally allow gay marriage is to set up the same kind of false "separate but equal" rules that were deemed unconstitutional when they tried it with black Americans. It's a basic civil rights issue.

 

[Mad Scientist]

In what world is this true?

Black Voting Rights = Gay Buttsex Rights.

 

[QUENTIN]

In what world is this true?

Black Voting Rights = Gay Buttsex Rights.

In the US it is true that:

American Citizens' Rights = American Citizens' Rights

We're all equally protected under the law.

And as long as you're an American citizen, you should enjoy free and equal rights as all other American citizens, provided you have not committed a crime that restricts those rights, regardless of whether you're white, black, male, female, gay, or straight.

There is no part of the Constitution that says "Void where colored, female, or participating in consensual sex with members of the same gender."

Gay sex is not a crime, so being gay should not result in a revocation of the same basic rights that all other American citizens enjoy. Again, it's a basic civil rights issue.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

What arguments were used against interracial marriage? The children of interracial marriage would suffer psycologically DAMAGED( which is EXACTLEY what that Justice of the peace for denying to marry an interracial couple). The genes won't mesh right....Well two humans CAN raise a child and in MOST cases better than a single parent. Guys could also have at least ONE partners DNA as part of the child that they want to raise in a TRUELY LOVING home. WHY do we deny them the RIGHT to do so? There is NO logical reason to DENY them marriage.


Of course I don't think Gov't should be in the buisiness of giving marriage licenses. If you get a civil union is fine for the Gov't and then it is between you and your church as to whether they would MARRY you in front of your friends, family, and witnesses.

 

[QUENTIN]

As for the argument proffered by the homophobes in this thread that homosexuality is incomparable with black skin because one is the way you're born and one is a deviant choice, well...

Do you honestly believe in the asinine idea that one day otherwise "normal" people just decide to be attracted to members of the same sex and start following through? Why? How? I didn't choose to be straight, neither did you. Biologically, from a very young age we were attracted to members of the opposite sex as most, but not all, are. Around puberty this becomes abundantly clear and follows into adulthood, it's the same for either sexuality. Essentially all studies done on the subject, both directly and tangentially (like studies of smell that inadvertently showed lesbians and straight men are both aroused on the biochemical level by the scent of female hormones and gay men and straight women the opposite) that wasn't pseudo-science funded by some conservative special interest or religious group has concluded that homosexuality is biological, we even know several of the genetic traits it is linked to.

And that's all moot anyway. Let's say homosexuals choose to be homosexual. They're just like anyone else and one day they decide to actively choose who they're attracted to and have sex with them accordingly. How does that choice negate their basic constitutional rights as citizens? If I convert to Catholicism, should I not be allowed to practice my religion freely in the U.S. because I wasn't born Catholic? Or maybe I choose to be a member of an unpopular political group, do I not have the right to assemble and petition the government because I chose my beliefs? Of course not, rights are equally bestowed upon all Americans. Gay sex isn't a crime, so having it shouldn't result in a loss of rights and privileges that all other citizens exercise.

Legal issue, civil rights issue, no different on that the struggle for black Americans to exercise the same rights their white counterparts were free to in the 1960s, it's all about achieving equal treatment and protection under the law as the Constitution guarantees them.

 

[QUENTIN]

What arguments were used against interracial marriage? The children of interracial marriage would suffer psycologically DAMAGED( which is EXACTLEY what that Justice of the peace for denying to marry an interracial couple). The genes won't mesh right....Well two humans CAN raise a child and in MOST cases better than a single parent. Guys could also have at least ONE partners DNA as part of the child that they want to raise in a TRUELY LOVING home. WHY do we deny them the RIGHT to do so? There is NO logical reason to DENY them marriage.


Of course I don't think Gov't should be in the buisiness of giving marriage licenses. If you get a civil union is fine for the Gov't and then it is between you and your church as to whether they would MARRY you in front of your friends, family, and witnesses.

This gets at the only other option.

If the homophobes are so adamant about denying homosexual citizens the right to marry like all heterosexual citizens are allowed to, with all the rights that come with that (seeing your spouse in the hospital, getting a green card or citizenship in their native country so you can live together, tax breaks, and familial legal status) then the only legally viable option available is for the government to no longer recognize any marriages. Treat every consensual partnership between adults as an equal "civil union" in the eyes of the State, and marriages will be a strictly religious thing carried out for purely personal reasons with no legal or tax benefits different from a civil union.

You can't have it both ways because being gay, like being black, isn't legally different than being straight or white, you're still a citizen afforded the exact same rights as any other.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

There is CLEAR evidence by Jane Goodall about homosexual behavior in primates so I couldn't agree more. So these people who think being gay is a CHOICE then they have to give an aweful lot of sentiance to animals.