Black American who criticized the US involvement in Ukraine is facing 10 years in prison.- Is a 1984 type Society what Democrats want?

Do you really think the only thing they are charging the group with is simply saying they support Russia's invasion of the Ukraine? NFL.

Disgusting bunch? Flag waving animals? Scratch that, below animals?

Russian Gutter politics?
It is a fact that Ukraine is trying to censor Americans like Dick black and Colonel Douglas McGregor because they don’t agree with America’s involvement in Ukraine. So there are Nazis in Ukraine there are scumbags in Ukraine who are against free-speech and they can go to hell they’re not gonna tell me how to live.
 
I’m sorry sir but can you specifically cite the law that says that a private citizen cannot accept money from Israel or from Russia to promote their agenda?. And who cares man me and you have the ability to think about what anyone says no matter who they’re paid by.

I believe that the department of justice has lost it. They are not what they used to be. We have the protection of the first amendment sir. The black socialist featured in the original post is not a government agent so the law is not applicable to him unless you can cite a law that says a private citizen cannot accept money from a foreign country to promote their agenda. By the way the man featured in the original post denies getting paid money by Russia.

According to the U.S. Code, foreign nationals are not legally allowed to contribute, or donate, or promise to donate money or anything of value to an American political candidate or a party's political committee. Although the value of money is almost universally recognized, the value of "other thing" is vaguer and has been subject to different legal interpretations.

According to the Federal Election Commission — the governmental body responsible for the regulation and supervision of federal campaigns — candidates and political action committees (PACs) are prohibited from accepting or soliciting contributions or donations from foreign nationals.


It is worth noting that foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing and donating directly or indirectly to a U.S. candidate or their campaign. Candidates, campaigns, parties, and committees are also prohibited from accepting contributions or donations from an entity if the candidate or their campaign has reason to believe the contribution or donation originated from a foreign entity.
 
It is a fact that Ukraine is trying to censor Americans like Dick black and Colonel Douglas McGregor because they don’t agree with America’s involvement in Ukraine. So there are Nazis in Ukraine there are scumbags in Ukraine who are against free-speech and they can go to hell they’re not gonna tell me how to live.
Say Frankie, that's a nice squirrel you pointed out there, which has nothing to do with the crimes the 4 guy were recently charged with.

I hear the Ukraine also has it out for Pink Floyd's old front man, Roger Waters, too, because he supports peace.
 
A left-wing black nationalist who has criticized Ukraine and perhaps supported Russia is facing up to 10 years in prison. So much for freedom of speech in America.



This site suggests that the man acted as an agent of Russia without notifying the government. But wait a second he’s not a Congress person he’s not a official government person isn’t he allowed to by law say what he is saying? Somebody please answer this. Isn’t this man allowed to accept money from a Russian organization? Again please somebody answer the question I thought that you had to be a US congressman, senator or official government agent to bylaw not accept money from foreign organizations which I agree with by the way. If somebody is an official of the US government they should not be taking money from foreign organizations without notifying the government


And now I believe that sources NPR which Twitter describes as a government news agency basically it is the same thing as Rt News from Russia. Rt is a Russian state news source NPR is a source from the United States government that basically supports the democratic party.


What in the world is going on here anybody can watch what Omali Yeshitela is saying and then agree or disagree with it. So what if he supports Russia, who cares. People can listen to what he says and then agree with it or disagree with it that’s called freedom freedom of thought freedom of speech.

I say this AS a conservative:

I don’t understand how the three folks got indicted in this case. The protections afforded to us under the Constitution’s 1st Amendment may not be absolute. But here? It was clearly political speech and except for exhortations to commit violence or the like, political speech is highly protected. Maybe the most protected.

If the speech shared some alleged mis-information, the remedy for that is more free speech from opposition voices. In our republic, the remedy is not supposed to be silencing the speaker.

Many of my fellow conservatives oppose our Ukraine involvement. This doesn’t make them agents of Putin. And there is no reasonable basis, under our Constitution, for the government to even try to criminalize their right to share their political views.
 
I say this AS a conservative:

I don’t understand how the three folks got indicted in this case. The protections afforded to us under the Constitution’s 1st Amendment may not be absolute. But here? It was clearly political speech and except for exhortations to commit violence or the like, political speech is highly protected. Maybe the most protected.

If the speech shared some alleged mis-information, the remedy for that is more free speech from opposition voices. In our republic, the remedy is not supposed to be silencing the speaker.

Many of my fellow conservatives oppose our Ukraine involvement. This doesn’t make them agents of Putin. And there is no reasonable basis, under our Constitution, for the government to even try to criminalize their right to share their political views.
I think you just hit the nail on the head. I oppose Ukraine. I oppose Zelenskyy. And I admire Russians for their sacrifice in World War II. I don’t think the United States should be involved in Ukraine because Russia did not get involved in Iraq could you imagine of Russia or China Dave billions of dollars of military equipment to Iraq if they gave him $100 billion to fight Americans we would have had many more Americans die we would’ve of course won the war but we would’ve lost many more Americans.

I don’t agree with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but America should not be involved in that war and it’s just insane to see the excuses that Democrats and Republicans make for America’s involvement in the Russia Ukraine war as if we’ve never invaded any other country.
 
Say Frankie, that's a nice squirrel you pointed out there, which has nothing to do with the crimes the 4 guy were recently charged with.

I hear the Ukraine also has it out for Pink Floyd's old front man, Roger Waters, too, because he supports peace.
And NPR said that the black socialist guy was charged with not registering as a foreign agent, again he is a private citizen so I’m going to ask you again what law was specifically broken. I don’t want to hear it from the corrupt department of justice I want to hear it from you or from any other person who supports this man going to jail for what he said. Because as far as I know he’s going to jail for holding a viewpoint he did not attack anybody he did not rob anybody he did not call for anybody to commit violence. Hope you have a nice day brother always appreciate your posts
 
A few small “socialist left” groups did in fact defend this tiny black nationalist Pan Africanist organization, which the FBI is attacking.

Of course the Democratic Party, which is not “leftist” or “socialist” but is a party of Wall Street capitalism, certainly did not defend them. It should be noted, however, that the Republican Party ALSO did not defend this group — though Tucker Carlson as usual can talk out of both sides of his mouth on this issue.

It is like with Assange — Trump and Tucker could say they “loved WikiLeaks” when it was publishing critical things about Hillary, but in power Trump & Pompeo radically INCREASED direct persecution of Assange (which Obama wisely declined to do) and arranged for U.S. allies Australia and the UK to do the same.

As far as I can see the charges are weak, as this black power group appears to have really DONE NOTHING illegal — it didn’t break into Congress on Jan. 6th for example!

It only organized meetings and made propaganda as always. But these are not normal times and there is a proxy war going on in Europe.

Yes, this group openly supported Russia in its bloody invasion of Ukraine — but many here do the same! “War and peace” issues are important and our country and people should be discussing them. I disagree with virtually all those who back Putin, but they have a right to their opinions and free speech!

Apparently there were no significant “lobbying” laws broken, nor was there significant transfer of funds to the group from Russia … but of course details are still unclear.

Protest FBI raids on African People’s Socialist Party, Uhuru – The Militant

McCarthyism Resurges: Radical U.S.-Based Organizations Condemn U.S. Indictments of African People's Socialist Party Members - Toward Freedom
 
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They were charged in a plot to interfere in the election......
In what way. It sounds bogus. How is that black socialist guy interfering with any elections.? Who cares what he says you see he could say whatever he wants and then we could agree with him or not.

Did he hold a gun to someone’s head to tell him about a certain way? Did he stand outside of polling booth with Billy clubs ready to attack people for voting? How did he interfere with anybody’s ability to vote?
 
According to the U.S. Code, foreign nationals are not legally allowed to contribute, or donate, or promise to donate money or anything of value to an American political candidate or a party's political committee. Although the value of money is almost universally recognized, the value of "other thing" is vaguer and has been subject to different legal interpretations.

According to the Federal Election Commission — the governmental body responsible for the regulation and supervision of federal campaigns — candidates and political action committees (PACs) are prohibited from accepting or soliciting contributions or donations from foreign nationals.


It is worth noting that foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing and donating directly or indirectly to a U.S. candidate or their campaign. Candidates, campaigns, parties, and committees are also prohibited from accepting contributions or donations from an entity if the candidate or their campaign has reason to believe the contribution or donation originated from a foreign entity.
I appreciate the informative response but the man in the original post black socialist is not a political candidate as far as I know he’s certainly probably would never stand a chance of being elected to any real office …there’s probably a lot of things I disagreed with him on. There’s probably a lot of things a lot of Americans disagree with the man on .

But it goes back to the other point do you realize how many Republicans and Democrats get paid money by Israel. ? Don’t you see what’s going on here man? this black man is going to jail for viewpoint it’s sickening, it’s disgraceful.

The Democrat department of justice has lost their mind. Because from everything you’ve shown there’s been no legitimate threat from the black socialist guy.

did He hold a gun to anybody’s head to tell them to think a certain way ? he did not …did he hold a gun to somebody’s head to tell them to support Russia. ? Nope

Who cares what he is saying or who he is being paid by because whatever he says even if he says all Ukrainians are Nazis we could say hang on a second you’re wrong about that , some of them are Nazis but not all of them are. Just like the other guy said we can counter what he says with what we have to say this is a free country sir.
 
If there was an American who supported Ukraine and he was being paid money by the Ukrainian government to say what he says… I don’t think he should go to jail. Even if he didn’t “register as a foreign agent” who cares. Who cares because whatever he says I can listen to him and then agree with him or disagree with him. Either we have a free country or we do not. That’s it man that’s all there is to it guess what we’re not at war with Russia right now technically if we were I would be against Russia.

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And to think that Russia China and America we’re brothers against the evil third Reich and empire of Japan who were hell-bent on enslaving the world. What about that sacrifice…
 
No my friend I’m asking you to cite the law that says a private citizen cannot accept money from a foreign government to promote their agenda.

I’m asking you to think for yourself and not be a robot.

The law is listed there, feel free to look it up.
 
In what way. It sounds bogus. How is that black socialist guy interfering with any elections.? Who cares what he says you see he could say whatever he wants and then we could agree with him or not.

Did he hold a gun to someone’s head to tell him about a certain way? Did he stand outside of polling booth with Billy clubs ready to attack people for voting? How did he interfere with anybody’s ability to vote?
I'm just pointing out what they were charged with. I doubt they were just sitting around a chat room proclaiming their undying support for Russia. The devil is in the details, without the details how could anyone make an educated guess to answer your questions? Those will come out in court.
 
So what is the actual law here can a American citizen who is not a government official except money from Israel, except money from a Catholic organization, except money from Russia to speak on their behalf. Or maybe those types of Americans already supported Israel they already supported Russia and they also take money from organizations affiliated with Israel or Russia. Is that actually a crime according to the laws of America yes or no?
Accept?

Unregistered foreign agent means he got money for his speech, so it wasNOT free.
 
OK so ? . What do you think about the situation. This guy is not a government agent and he’s been being faced with 10 years in prison.

“ weoponizing the first amendment”

What does that mean, what kind of a joke statement is that from the United States government who the heck do they think they are. ? This is a free country with freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

Who cares man who cares who is paying him. We as Americans can listen to what he says and agree with him or disagreed with him. You know we have a right in America to support Russia or to support Ukraine. As long as you’re not a congressman and a senator or a government official you can also be paid by foreign groups and then speak your mind. So what do you think about Americans were paid by Israeli organizations or by Catholic organizations to speak on behalf of those organizations?

They had better be registered, or they will go to jail!
 
I think you just hit the nail on the head. I oppose Ukraine. I oppose Zelenskyy. And I admire Russians for their sacrifice in World War II. I don’t think the United States should be involved in Ukraine because Russia did not get involved in Iraq could you imagine of Russia or China Dave billions of dollars of military equipment to Iraq if they gave him $100 billion to fight Americans we would have had many more Americans die we would’ve of course won the war but we would’ve lost many more Americans.

I don’t agree with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but America should not be involved in that war and it’s just insane to see the excuses that Democrats and Republicans make for America’s involvement in the Russia Ukraine war as if we’ve never invaded any other country.
I have expressed my own indecision about our involvement in the war over in Ukraine.

On the one hand, I detest Putin and his misuse of the Russian military to invade a neighboring nation without just cause. Plus, Putin has had the Russian military engage in deliberate and very maliciously intentional war crimes against Ukrainian people.

On the other hand: we aren’t Ukrainians. We aren’t the world’s police. Zelensky isn’t exactly a saint. Ukrainian government is known to be corrupt. At least one of its military divisions seem to be a new Nazi-affiliated bunch of scumbags. Etc.

But both sets of considerations have some merit. There is no better option for our people than to freely and openly discuss it all and have an honest debate.

But criminalizing the speech of anybody is damn unAmerican.
 
If there was an American who supported Ukraine and he was being paid money by the Ukrainian government to say what he says… I don’t think he should go to jail. Even if he didn’t “register as a foreign agent” who cares. Who cares because whatever he says I can listen to him and then agree with him or disagree with him. Either we have a free country or we do not. That’s it man that’s all there is to it guess what we’re not at war with Russia right now technically if we were I would be against Russia.

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And to think that Russia China and America we’re brothers against the evil third Reich and empire of Japan who were hell-bent on enslaving the world. What about that sacrifice…

Listen up, comrade! You don't get to fucking decide simply because you don't care.
 
As long as the 'darkies' stay on unemployment,welfare, and fiid stamps while voting Democrat ...

('You ain't black unless you vote for me, Joe Biden)

...everything is good.

Once they start voting for the GOP they become 'Uncle Toms' ... and if they should become outspoken activists against the liberal agenda they gots to go to jail.

:dunno:
 
A left-wing black nationalist who has criticized Ukraine and perhaps supported Russia is facing up to 10 years in prison. So much for freedom of speech in America.



This site suggests that the man acted as an agent of Russia without notifying the government. But wait a second he’s not a Congress person he’s not a official government person isn’t he allowed to by law say what he is saying? Somebody please answer this. Isn’t this man allowed to accept money from a Russian organization? Again please somebody answer the question I thought that you had to be a US congressman, senator or official government agent to bylaw not accept money from foreign organizations which I agree with by the way. If somebody is an official of the US government they should not be taking money from foreign organizations without notifying the government


And now I believe that sources NPR which Twitter describes as a government news agency basically it is the same thing as Rt News from Russia. Rt is a Russian state news source NPR is a source from the United States government that basically supports the democratic party.


What in the world is going on here anybody can watch what Omali Yeshitela is saying and then agree or disagree with it. So what if he supports Russia, who cares. People can listen to what he says and then agree with it or disagree with it that’s called freedom freedom of thought freedom of speech.

I just heard about this.

This is why it won’t end nicely. Best and safest thing would be if DC and Davos were each devoured by sinkholes while their respective Globalists were meeting
 
The indictment alleges that African People's Socialist Party Chairman Omali Yeshitela and members Penny Joanne Hess and Jesse Nevel acted as illegal agents of the Russian government without notifying the U.S. attorney general. They each face up to 10 years in prison for that charge. They also face up to five years in prison for conspiring to have U.S. citizens act as illegal agents.
The Biden’s accepted millions from Ukraine, they should be charged as well
 

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