Missourian
Diamond Member
He'd still be a US citizen, just not a natural born one.
Not from my understanding of the law...he would be a citizen of Kenya who would have to immigrate and be naturalized.
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He'd still be a US citizen, just not a natural born one.
immigrate from where? even if he was born in kenya, he never lived there...his parents both were legal residents of the united states, (one a natural born citizen, the other a legal resident of the usa on a legal visa, even if he was born there?He'd still be a US citizen, just not a natural born one.
Not from my understanding of the law...he would be a citizen of Kenya who would have to immigrate and be naturalized.
He'd still be a US citizen, just not a natural born one.
Not from my understanding of the law...he would be a citizen of Kenya who would have to immigrate and be naturalized.
He'd still be a US citizen, just not a natural born one.
Not from my understanding of the law...he would be a citizen of Kenya who would have to immigrate and be naturalized.
So where is the record of him being naturalized?
Sorry. Too vague for me at this hour.Not from my understanding of the law...he would be a citizen of Kenya who would have to immigrate and be naturalized.
So where is the record of him being naturalized?
"You can't open the book of my life and jump in the middle"
- Captain Malcolm Reynolds
i think he is making a case for fraudSorry. Too vague for me at this hour.So where is the record of him being naturalized?
"You can't open the book of my life and jump in the middle"
- Captain Malcolm Reynolds
Where is the record of his naturalization ceremony? Or for that matter his "green card"? Both are public record.
Unless you believe he's an illegal alien who has resided in the US all these many years.
i think he is making a case for fraudSorry. Too vague for me at this hour."You can't open the book of my life and jump in the middle"
- Captain Malcolm Reynolds
Where is the record of his naturalization ceremony? Or for that matter his "green card"? Both are public record.
Unless you believe he's an illegal alien who has resided in the US all these many years.
that he didnt have a naturalization, but they faked the BC
i dont agree
could bei think he is making a case for fraudSorry. Too vague for me at this hour.
Where is the record of his naturalization ceremony? Or for that matter his "green card"? Both are public record.
Unless you believe he's an illegal alien who has resided in the US all these many years.
that he didnt have a naturalization, but they faked the BC
i dont agree
"They" being the state of Hawaii?
could bei think he is making a case for fraud
that he didnt have a naturalization, but they faked the BC
i dont agree
"They" being the state of Hawaii?
could also be the parents/grandparents
could also be the nefarious "they"could be"They" being the state of Hawaii?
could also be the parents/grandparents
Ah.
Well, they (state and family) are part of the conspiracy in any case.
could also be the nefarious "they"could be
could also be the parents/grandparents
Ah.
Well, they (state and family) are part of the conspiracy in any case.
lol
the nameless group of evil doers that are never named
YOU were the one asking WHOcould also be the nefarious "they"Ah.
Well, they (state and family) are part of the conspiracy in any case.
lol
the nameless group of evil doers that are never named
Well, in this case, "they" encompasses such a huge number of people and assorted government agencies, it's simpler just to say "they" and leave it at that.
Ah, ok. I should have read back a bit.
So Missourian, what do you think his maternal grandparents did to ensure he obtained citizenship ?
It's late, I'm half-asleep.YOU were the one asking WHOcould also be the nefarious "they"
lol
the nameless group of evil doers that are never named
Well, in this case, "they" encompasses such a huge number of people and assorted government agencies, it's simpler just to say "they" and leave it at that.
LOL
Ah, ok. I should have read back a bit.
So Missourian, what do you think his maternal grandparents did to ensure he obtained citizenship ?
A possible theory?
How about this one?
Grandma and Grandpa have the couple fly back to Hawaii, take the baby to the hospital and say they delivered it at home.
It would be as good a reason as any why Obama is fighting so hard not to release the long form.
If it says he was not delivered at a hospital, then he has a real problem.
Ah, ok. I should have read back a bit.
So Missourian, what do you think his maternal grandparents did to ensure he obtained citizenship ?
A possible theory?
How about this one?
Grandma and Grandpa have the couple fly back to Hawaii, take the baby to the hospital and say they delivered it at home.
It would be as good a reason as any why Obama is fighting so hard not to release the long form.
If it says he was not delivered at a hospital, then he has a real problem.
He was born late in the evening on a Friday. The announcements (which come from the DOH records) were printed in the Sunday paper 9 days later.
Now back in the day, women weren't sprung after giving birth on the first or second day as they are now.
And the DOH would have had to release the records by Friday the 11th, in order for their publication on Sunday.
So that gives us from Saturday the 5th until Friday the 11th for the grandparents to have whisked her back into the country from half a world away. At what point during those seven days do you feel a woman who has just given birth would be capable of flight of that length? Either as a matter of comfort for her, or for her physical safety? (and the safety of the newborn, for that matter)
Now we have the matter of the DOH giving the information out to the papers.
How quickly do you really think a government bureaucracy can move from the time it obtains the information to verifying it is correct and complete?
As far as the mom, I don't see her being able to endure that sort of travel before Monday or Tuesday... and that would really be pushing it.
So (in your scenario) grandparents whisk a now 3 day infant to the hospital to inform them he was born at home. Assuming they believe the story, they would still examine the child, etc., so now we've wasted yet another day.
So that makes it Wednesday (at the earliest) the hospital notifies the DOH of the birth.
And in two days, the DOH has received the information, verified it and given it their stamp of approval. All in time to beat the deadline on Friday for publication in the newspaper on Sunday morning.
Yeah.
That's a likely scenario.
i bet a doctor couldA possible theory?
How about this one?
Grandma and Grandpa have the couple fly back to Hawaii, take the baby to the hospital and say they delivered it at home.
It would be as good a reason as any why Obama is fighting so hard not to release the long form.
If it says he was not delivered at a hospital, then he has a real problem.
He was born late in the evening on a Friday. The announcements (which come from the DOH records) were printed in the Sunday paper 9 days later.
Now back in the day, women weren't sprung after giving birth on the first or second day as they are now.
And the DOH would have had to release the records by Friday the 11th, in order for their publication on Sunday.
So that gives us from Saturday the 5th until Friday the 11th for the grandparents to have whisked her back into the country from half a world away. At what point during those seven days do you feel a woman who has just given birth would be capable of flight of that length? Either as a matter of comfort for her, or for her physical safety? (and the safety of the newborn, for that matter)
Now we have the matter of the DOH giving the information out to the papers.
How quickly do you really think a government bureaucracy can move from the time it obtains the information to verifying it is correct and complete?
As far as the mom, I don't see her being able to endure that sort of travel before Monday or Tuesday... and that would really be pushing it.
So (in your scenario) grandparents whisk a now 3 day infant to the hospital to inform them he was born at home. Assuming they believe the story, they would still examine the child, etc., so now we've wasted yet another day.
So that makes it Wednesday (at the earliest) the hospital notifies the DOH of the birth.
And in two days, the DOH has received the information, verified it and given it their stamp of approval. All in time to beat the deadline on Friday for publication in the newspaper on Sunday morning.
Yeah.
That's a likely scenario.
You're making a huge assumtion...that Obama was born on the fourth.
Could you tell a 1 day old baby from a week old baby?
Not a chance.
Could he not have been born the 28th of July for example?
Who would know the difference?
You're making a huge assumtion...that Obama was actually born on the fourth of August.
Could you tell a 1 day old baby from a week old baby?
Not a chance.
Could he not have been born the 28th of July for example?
Who would know the difference?
i bet a doctor couldHe was born late in the evening on a Friday. The announcements (which come from the DOH records) were printed in the Sunday paper 9 days later.
Now back in the day, women weren't sprung after giving birth on the first or second day as they are now.
And the DOH would have had to release the records by Friday the 11th, in order for their publication on Sunday.
So that gives us from Saturday the 5th until Friday the 11th for the grandparents to have whisked her back into the country from half a world away. At what point during those seven days do you feel a woman who has just given birth would be capable of flight of that length? Either as a matter of comfort for her, or for her physical safety? (and the safety of the newborn, for that matter)
Now we have the matter of the DOH giving the information out to the papers.
How quickly do you really think a government bureaucracy can move from the time it obtains the information to verifying it is correct and complete?
As far as the mom, I don't see her being able to endure that sort of travel before Monday or Tuesday... and that would really be pushing it.
So (in your scenario) grandparents whisk a now 3 day infant to the hospital to inform them he was born at home. Assuming they believe the story, they would still examine the child, etc., so now we've wasted yet another day.
So that makes it Wednesday (at the earliest) the hospital notifies the DOH of the birth.
And in two days, the DOH has received the information, verified it and given it their stamp of approval. All in time to beat the deadline on Friday for publication in the newspaper on Sunday morning.
Yeah.
That's a likely scenario.
You're making a huge assumtion...that Obama was born on the fourth.
Could you tell a 1 day old baby from a week old baby?
Not a chance.
Could he not have been born the 28th of July for example?
Who would know the difference?
there would be scars involved
like from cutting the cord