Bin Laden: Still alive?

[OCA]

Looks like I nailed it on the head folks, he responded pretty much right on down the line as I thought he would.

My condolences for the loss of a family member. He/she died the bravest death one can die, dying defending the very freedom that allows you to speak out with such vile hatred. He/she died in a just and cause war, God bless President Bush and God bless the United States Of America.

Also no lies, me thinks you protest too much. Enjoy the next 4 of Bush, nothing you can do about it.

Oh and by the way I just read an article about Zinni and Tom Clancy both who oppose the war only for tactical reasons not because they didn't think we should be there.

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
Looks like I nailed it on the head folks, he responded pretty much right on down the line as I thought he would.

Where are the retractions or the quotes of statements and views you attributed to me?

Originally posted by OCA
My condolences for the loss of a family member. [/B]

Thank you. That's appreciated.

Originally posted by OCA Also no lies, me thinks you protest too much. Enjoy the next 4 of Bush, nothing you can do about it.

Actually there is. I can and will vote. We've had two special Congressional elections in the past four months. Both in states carried by Bush. Both were represented by a Republican. Both seats went to a Democrat. Dems retaking the House is still a long shot, largely due to the redistricting in Texas, but their chances are improving daily as dissatisfaction with the Bush Administration continues to grow. The forces of reason will prevail and Bush will be gone. The only real question in my mind at this point is who will be in the majority in the House and Senate.

Originally posted by OCA Oh and by the way I just read an article about Zinni and Tom Clancy both who oppose the war only for tactical reasons not because they didn't think we should be there. [/B]

Comments of Gen. Anthony Zinni (ret.) during a speech before the Florida Economic Club, Aug. 23, 2002:

Entire statement at: http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/zinni.html

Attacking Iraq now will cause a lot of problems. I think the debate right now that's going on is very healthy. If you ask me my opinion, Gen. Scowcroft, Gen. Powell, Gen. Schwarzkopf, Gen. Zinni, maybe all see this the same way.

It might be interesting to wonder why all the generals see it the same way, and all those that never fired a shot in anger and really hell-bent to go to war see it a different way. That's usually the way it is in history. (Crowd laughter.)

But let me tell you what the problem is now as I see it. You need to weigh this: what are your priorities in the region? That's the first issue in my mind.

The Middle East peace process, in my mind, has to be a higher priority. Winning the war on terrorism has to be a higher priority. More directly, the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Central Asia need to be resolved, making sure Al Qaeda can't rise again from the ashes that are destroyed. Taliban cannot come back. That the warlords can't regain power over Kabul and Karzai, and destroy everything that has happened so far.

 

[OCA]

No way this country will elect a socialist like Kerry, no way this country will hand over its foriegn policy to U.N. control like Kerry wants. The American people reject both those notions out of hand. You know he has no chance, I think you are at least that intelligent.

There will be no retractions of truthful statements on my part.

Well apparently Mr. Zinni is flip flopping as the article I have dated May 30, 2004(I can't find it online so no link) says getting rid of Sadaam was a noble cause, he has problems with the timeline and planning. So what? Does he still have a fucking job? Does what he say mean shit? No and no.

Dems retaking the house is out of the realm of possibility not because of Texas redistricting but because Americand reject the far left leadership that has hijacked that party and drove it into the ground.

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA There will be no retractions of truthful statements on my part.[/B]

I don't expect you to retract the truthful statements you made. It's the other ones I'm concerned about.

Originally posted by OCA Well apparently Mr. Zinni is flip flopping as the article I have dated May 30, 2004(I can't find it online so no link) says getting rid of Sadaam was a noble cause,[/B]

I'm not sure that's a flip flop. Iraq is better off without Saddam. As you know from previous posts, I've seen first hand how the Iraqi's lived under Saddam. That doesn't imply support for the war. I think the U.S. would be a lot better off without Trent Lott in the Senate, that does not mean I support invading Mississippi!

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
I don't expect you to retract the truthful statements you made. It's the other ones I'm concerned about.



I'm not sure that's a flip flop. Iraq is better off without Saddam. As you know from previous posts, I've seen first hand how the Iraqi's lived under Saddam. That doesn't imply support for the war. I think the U.S. would be a lot better off without Trent Lott in the Senate, that does not mean I support invading Mississippi!

How about Robert Byrd, Barney Frank or Ted Kennedy? Is America better off for having them served? Well West Virginia certainly benefitted from the Grand Wizard of the KKK Byrd and all the pork he's brought home for his white compatriots. How about Mr. divisive Tom Daschle, is he beneficial?

Again no retraction will be made as ALL statements were truthful, they will not be retracted to spare one's feelings.

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
How about Robert Byrd, Barney Frank or Ted Kennedy? Is America better off for having them served? Well West Virginia certainly benefitted from the Grand Wizard of the KKK Byrd and all the pork he's brought home for his white compatriots. How about Mr. divisive Tom Daschle, is he beneficial?

Again no retraction will be made as ALL statements were truthful, they will not be retracted to spare one's feelings.

Divisive? I'm not sure about that. You have to be able to articulate a view or agenda in order to be divisive. I’d have to do a google search to confirm it but I think it was in the lead-up to the Iraq war resolution (and disasterous mid-term elections) that Daschle said “there is no daylight between” his position and the Whitehouse.

To a large degree Daschle, like Kerry, has failed to articulate an agenda other than to point at Bush and say he could do it better. Or not screw it up as much. The term “democratic leadership” has become an oxymoron. Arg. Don’t get me started. The Dem. leaders, particularly Daschle have been weak, spineless, Bush Lite, political cowards.

Like your other unretracted claims, any implications that I would associate myself with Daschle is based solely on your own inaccurate assumptions about my views, and, typically, completely false.

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
Divisive? I'm not sure about that. You have to be able to articulate a view or agenda in order to be divisive. I’d have to do a google search to confirm it but I think it was in the lead-up to the Iraq war resolution (and disasterous mid-term elections) that Daschle said “there is no daylight between” his position and the Whitehouse.

To a large degree Daschle, like Kerry, has failed to articulate an agenda other than to point at Bush and say he could do it better. Or not screw it up as much. The term “democratic leadership” has become an oxymoron. Arg. Don’t get me started. The Dem. leaders, particularly Daschle have been weak, spineless, Bush Lite, political cowards.

Like your other unretracted claims, any implications that I would associate myself with Daschle is based solely on your own inaccurate assumptions about my views, and, typically, completely false.

Well then Mr. anybody but Bush, who would you associate yourself with politically? This ought to be good.

Also no daylight between his position and Bush's? Oh man he's stoned! Just google that and see what kind of clownish and oafish positions Mr. Daschle has taken. Lets face it the guy is just there to be a thorn, he serves no real purpose, he collects his check and says thank you and thats it. Heck I might as well be speaking for the whole Demo leadership here.

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
Well then Mr. anybody but Bush, who would you associate yourself with politically? This ought to be good.

Also no daylight between his position and Bush's? Oh man he's stoned! Just google that and see what kind of clownish and oafish positions Mr. Daschle has taken. Lets face it the guy is just there to be a thorn, he serves no real purpose, he collects his check and says thank you and thats it. Heck I might as well be speaking for the whole Demo leadership here.

Off the cuff, I'd say Congresswoman Barbara Lee. Not that I am in 100% agreement with any politician.

With respect to the Dem leadership, I don't think you are far off the mark.

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
Off the cuff, I'd say Congresswoman Barbara Lee. Not that I am in 100% agreement with any politician.

With respect to the Dem leadership, I don't think you are far off the mark.

BARBARA LEE! The same Barbara Lee, the only person to vote against going to Afghanistan in Congress Barbara Lee? And you have the gall to ask me to retract statements about you being a pacifist?

Here is a little something on Barbara Lee although some will call into question the man who wrote it but i'm afraid to say he's dead on on this one.

Folks I hope this puts into light the truth about ST8 now.

http://www.goptoday.com/html/092701.html

 

[brneyedgrl80]

Black Panther Party huh?

I remember watching a movie about them and reading some articles about them.

Hmmm....

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
Folks I hope this puts into light the truth about ST8 now.

http://www.goptoday.com/html/092701.html

I've never tried to hide my views OCA, if fact I come here to express them.

Lee had the courage to stand by her convictions, even if it ment standing alone. I respect her integrity.

With respect to the article, Ron Dellums, as Chairman of the Armed Services Committee had an obligation to his office and the nation to determine if Granada did represent the threat to national security as Reagan was claiming, or if Reagan was "wagging the dog" due to the disaster in Lebenon where the marines were killed.


His conclusion was correct. The invasion of Granada was a farce.

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
I've never tried to hide my views OCA, if fact I come here to express them.

Lee had the courage to stand by her convictions, even if it ment standing alone. I respect her integrity.

With respect to the article, Ron Dellums, as Chairman of the Armed Services Committee had an obligation to his office and the nation to determine if Granada did represent the threat to national security as Reagan was claiming, or if Reagan was "wagging the dog" due to the disaster in Lebenon where the marines were killed.


His conclusion was correct. The invasion of Granada was a farce.

Wrong, don't rewrite history. I guess those weren't Cuban troops on Grenada. Out of curiosity what misguided lies are you basing your decision to call Grenada a farce?

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
Wrong, don't rewrite history. I guess those weren't Cuban troops on Grenada. Out of curiosity what misguided lies are you basing your decision to call Grenada a farce?

Cuban Engineers building an airport necessary to develop their tourist industry and bring their island country into the 20th century and a medical school full of American kids. Military threat to the US? That’s a joke right?

 

[OCA]

So I guess the documents discovered and the fact that these so called "engineers" were in full military battle fatigues in all recon pics means they were just innocent civilians, right? Please. Thank god the pres at the time was Reagan, the defeater of the Soviet Union and the greatest pres since Lincoln, and not some pansy like Mondale or Carter.

Yeah come on and try and tell me that the Soviets would've imploded on their own and Reagan had nothing to do with it.

A thought just occurred, why was it "Cuban engineers and not Grenadan engineers in the first place? You don't think that the Cubans would've wanted use of that airport in exchange for their help which means that in turn the Soviets in turn would've used the airport and the next thing you know its the Cuban Missle Crisis all over again. I'm glad people like you who are willing to play games with national defense are not in charge whewwwwwww!

 

[SPIKESMYGOD]

BLOODY HELL!

I have been saying he's in Jersey all along! Remember, everything evil comes from New Jersey, especially crazy red-haired, blue-eyed chicks named Mary!

GRR!
ARG!

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
You don't think that the Cubans would've wanted use of that airport in exchange for their help which means that in turn the Soviets in turn would've used the airport and the next thing you know its the Cuban Missle Crisis all over again. I'm glad people like you who are willing to play games with national defense are not in charge whewwwwwww!

The Island of Granada was about to be the next Cuban Missile Crisis! God, what leap. You remind me of the roll played by George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove.

"Mr. President, we cannot allow a mine-shaft gap"!!!

LOL

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by st8_o_mind
The Island of Granada was about to be the next Cuban Missile Crisis! God, what leap. You remind me of the roll played by George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove.

"Mr. President, we cannot allow a mine-shaft gap"!!!

LOL

The point is why wait to find out, preemptive strike it and you have no worries. Morons like you i'm sure said the same thing back in the early 60's.

You see we could go back and forth with this all day but the fact is your views are dangerous to the health of Americans hence your politician of choice is such a pariah. Its not the fact that she was brave and stood up for her beliefs its that her beliefs are absolutely and without argument un-American. I mean to not want to avenge and find the people responsible for 9/11 is uncomprehendable. We're not talking Iraq, were talking Afghanistan and she let her country and her constituents down, she was in dereliction of duty as well as being guilty of treason back in the 80's. Deny it, the proof is there now go ahead and deny the truth.

It all doesn't matter, you're views will not see any fruition so who cares what your reply is, its irrelevant. Enjoy the next 4 of Bush.

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
We're not talking Iraq, were talking Afghanistan and she let her country and her constituents down, she was in dereliction of duty as well as being guilty of treason back in the 80's. Deny it, the proof is there now go ahead and deny the truth.

Sometimes you conservatives need to be a bit more pragmatic like us liberals and not let your emotions and wishful thinking interfere with cold, hard logic.

Treason? Was she put in jail? No.
Tried and aquited? No.
Charged with a crime? No.
Centured in Congress? No.


You read one article that is an obvious political hatchet job from a source you yourself noted was unreliable and you believe it because you want to.

As far as your claim that she letdown her constituents...obviously they re-elected her. Claim disproved.

You neo-cons are undermining the most important values of our Republic by attacking our most sacred rights like freedom of speech as “unpatriotic” and bringing the tyrannical grip of big government down around the throats our citizens through measure like the UNpatriot act. (Your also making a mockery of the term fiscal conservative, but's that's best served in anothre thread) Worst of all is the disgraceful mis-use of the brave Americans who serve in our volunteer military who were misled at best or lied to at worst, by our Commander in Chief. He broke the faith and everyone in uniform and their families should return the favor in November and send Shrub back to Texas as a private citizen.

Originally posted by OCA Enjoy the next 4 of Bush. [/B]

 

[OCA]

Nice of you to put words in my mouth. I said that you would attack the source of the article and you did. Fact is he's right on in this article. Lets face it, i'm from that area of California where she represents and the ONLY reason they elect her is because she's Black like the majority of her constituents. They don't give a rats ass about her views on topics, just that she's Black much like Maxine Waters.

Secondly you will be happy to know that i'm against most provisions of the Patriot Act, i'm for going to places like Iraq and killing the bastards preemptively before they can kill us. I think we can roundup and deport all the assholes here without all this extracurricular crap such as checking to see what you read at the library etc. etc. etc. Not too hard to figure out who they are here, just ask them to pledge allegiance to the U.S. before Allah and unless they are a bunch of liars they will reveal themselves. Their religion forbids them to pledge theirselves to infidels and we are the infidels, right?

 

[st8_o_mind]

Originally posted by OCA
BARBARA LEE! The same Barbara Lee, the only person to vote against going to Afghanistan in Congress Barbara Lee? http://www.goptoday.com/html/092701.html

LOL.

Actually I picked Lee because she's most liberal pol I could think of and thought it might make that Greek blood boil to the point of bursting something. Since you responded, my attempt evidently failed.

In truth, politically I'm probably closest to the late Senator Paul Simon. He was one of the most progressive Senators serving and a champion of the Balanced Budget Amendment while serving in the Senate. I'm a social liberal that believes in fiscal responsibility. Many Republicans used to believe in fiscal responsibility when they were a minority in Congress, but, having gained the majority we now know that it was all rhetoric -- Tax Cut and Spend policies bankrupting the country. Pretty ugly.