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A clear and an obvious violation of the First Amendment and the right to associate.
The article didn't link to the actual wording of the law, which makes me think that this doesn't impact protesting, it just changes trespass onto property owned by said companies with regards to impeding the work of said companies from a misdemeanor to a felony.
There are already laws/penalties for trespass and destruction of private property in West Virginia. This heavy-handed bullshit was crafted by lobbyists and their cronies masquerading as delegates.
Not too long ago quite a few coal miners were protesting by blocking the rails, should be have been charged with felonies and locked up?
If the pipeline was granted an easement which did not come from the original owner who has the right to determine trespass the deeded property owner or the utility company? The utility company claims ownership without actually ever owning the land?The actual text of the original version of the law:
HB 4615 Text
(c)(1) Any person who willfully and knowingly trespasses or enters property containing a critical infrastructure facility without permission by the owner of the property or lawful occupant thereof is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than $500, or confined in jail not less than 30 days nor more than one year, or both fined and confined. If the intent of the trespasser is to willfully damage, destroy, vandalize, deface, tamper with equipment, or impede or inhibit operations of the critical infrastructure facility, the person is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not less than $1,000 or imprisoned in a state correctional facility for not less than one nor more than three years, or both fined and imprisoned.
(2) Any person who willfully damages, destroys, vandalizes, defaces or tampers with equipment in a critical infrastructure facility is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not less than $2,000 or imprisoned in a state correctional facility for a term of not less than one year nor more than five years, or both fined and imprisoned.
(3) Any person or organization who conspires with any person or organization to commit the offense of trespass against a critical infrastructure facility in violation of subdivision (1) of subsection (c) of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof shall be fined in an amount of not less than $5,000. Any person or organization who conspires with any person or organization to willfully damage, destroy, vandalize, deface or tamper with equipment in a critical infrastructure facility is guilty of a felony and, shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not less than $10,000.
(d)(1) Any person who is arrested for or convicted of an offense under this section may be held civilly liable for any damages to personal or real property while trespassing, in addition to the penalties imposed by this section.
(2) Any person or entity that compensates, provides consideration to or remunerates a person for trespassing as described in subdivision (1) of subsection (c) of this section may also be held liable for damages to personal or real property committed by the person compensated or remunerated for trespassing.
So basically trespassing on one of these facilities is still a misdemeanor, but if you start breaking things you are going to be charged with a felony, and the owner can go after you for restitution.
Are we encouraging a police state by and for corporations now?A clear and an obvious violation of the First Amendment and the right to associate.
The article didn't link to the actual wording of the law, which makes me think that this doesn't impact protesting, it just changes trespass onto property owned by said companies with regards to impeding the work of said companies from a misdemeanor to a felony.
There are already laws/penalties for trespass and destruction of private property in West Virginia. This heavy-handed bullshit was crafted by lobbyists and their cronies masquerading as delegates.
Not too long ago quite a few coal miners were protesting by blocking the rails, should be have been charged with felonies and locked up?
They should willingly be locked up, and then get out and do it again, same as the protesters against Jim Crow did.
This also covers things like Dams and Wastewater treatment plants.
The issue has come up because protesters are often treated with kid gloves, symbolically arrested, then released without any prosecution.
If you believe in something enough to break the law over, go full gusto.
Hey it’s the anti trumper! Let me read this see how dishonest you areWest Virginia Legislation Would Make Civil Disobedience Against Gas Pipelines a Felony
Big oil spending money to buy politicians to avoid being held responsible.
Any WV politicians that vote for this legislation should be removed next election (or sooner).
No one is going to jail for speaking their mind. What you cant do is fuck with pipelines by chaining yourself to their equipment, blocking their vehicles from coming and going, and otherwise shutting down their business. You deserve jail time if you do that shit.West Virginia Legislation Would Make Civil Disobedience Against Gas Pipelines a Felony
Big oil spending money to buy politicians to avoid being held responsible.
Any WV politicians that vote for this legislation should be removed next election (or sooner).
It bans disobedience not protest
Your post is full of fallacies this protects the workers of the pipeline this protects the equipment this protects the property it says nothing about protestingHey it’s the anti trumper! Let me read this see how dishonest you areWest Virginia Legislation Would Make Civil Disobedience Against Gas Pipelines a Felony
Big oil spending money to buy politicians to avoid being held responsible.
Any WV politicians that vote for this legislation should be removed next election (or sooner).
Hey, it's the Liar. Let me wait and see what lies you tell about what I said.
But courts can too easily obfuscate under the color of law. Sorry I do not trust the current justice system or these pipeline companies and many legislators either at this point.If the pipeline was granted an easement which did not come from the original owner who has the right to determine trespass the deeded property owner or the utility company? The utility company claims ownership without actually ever owning the land?The actual text of the original version of the law:
HB 4615 Text
(c)(1) Any person who willfully and knowingly trespasses or enters property containing a critical infrastructure facility without permission by the owner of the property or lawful occupant thereof is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than $500, or confined in jail not less than 30 days nor more than one year, or both fined and confined. If the intent of the trespasser is to willfully damage, destroy, vandalize, deface, tamper with equipment, or impede or inhibit operations of the critical infrastructure facility, the person is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not less than $1,000 or imprisoned in a state correctional facility for not less than one nor more than three years, or both fined and imprisoned.
(2) Any person who willfully damages, destroys, vandalizes, defaces or tampers with equipment in a critical infrastructure facility is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not less than $2,000 or imprisoned in a state correctional facility for a term of not less than one year nor more than five years, or both fined and imprisoned.
(3) Any person or organization who conspires with any person or organization to commit the offense of trespass against a critical infrastructure facility in violation of subdivision (1) of subsection (c) of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof shall be fined in an amount of not less than $5,000. Any person or organization who conspires with any person or organization to willfully damage, destroy, vandalize, deface or tamper with equipment in a critical infrastructure facility is guilty of a felony and, shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not less than $10,000.
(d)(1) Any person who is arrested for or convicted of an offense under this section may be held civilly liable for any damages to personal or real property while trespassing, in addition to the penalties imposed by this section.
(2) Any person or entity that compensates, provides consideration to or remunerates a person for trespassing as described in subdivision (1) of subsection (c) of this section may also be held liable for damages to personal or real property committed by the person compensated or remunerated for trespassing.
So basically trespassing on one of these facilities is still a misdemeanor, but if you start breaking things you are going to be charged with a felony, and the owner can go after you for restitution.
They own the pipeline, and since this law mostly covers damage or vandalism to the equipment in question, the easement issue becomes moot if they damage the mechanical property.
This female WinterBorn is one dishonest sob
No it doesn’t ! We are going to build a pipeline and there’s nothing you can do about it if you get in my way we will run you over peacefullyIt bans disobedience not protest
Civil disobedience is a form of protest. It is one of the few meothos the people have of getting their voices heard over the sound of companies buying politicians.
Are we encouraging a police state by and for corporations now?A clear and an obvious violation of the First Amendment and the right to associate.
The article didn't link to the actual wording of the law, which makes me think that this doesn't impact protesting, it just changes trespass onto property owned by said companies with regards to impeding the work of said companies from a misdemeanor to a felony.
There are already laws/penalties for trespass and destruction of private property in West Virginia. This heavy-handed bullshit was crafted by lobbyists and their cronies masquerading as delegates.
Not too long ago quite a few coal miners were protesting by blocking the rails, should be have been charged with felonies and locked up?
They should willingly be locked up, and then get out and do it again, same as the protesters against Jim Crow did.
This also covers things like Dams and Wastewater treatment plants.
The issue has come up because protesters are often treated with kid gloves, symbolically arrested, then released without any prosecution.
If you believe in something enough to break the law over, go full gusto.
Your post is full of fallacies this protects the workers of the pipeline this protects the equipment this protects the property it says nothing about protestingHey it’s the anti trumper! Let me read this see how dishonest you areWest Virginia Legislation Would Make Civil Disobedience Against Gas Pipelines a Felony
Big oil spending money to buy politicians to avoid being held responsible.
Any WV politicians that vote for this legislation should be removed next election (or sooner).
Hey, it's the Liar. Let me wait and see what lies you tell about what I said.
But courts can too easily obfuscate under the color of law. Sorry I do not trust the current justice system or these pipeline companies and many legislators either at this point.If the pipeline was granted an easement which did not come from the original owner who has the right to determine trespass the deeded property owner or the utility company? The utility company claims ownership without actually ever owning the land?The actual text of the original version of the law:
HB 4615 Text
(c)(1) Any person who willfully and knowingly trespasses or enters property containing a critical infrastructure facility without permission by the owner of the property or lawful occupant thereof is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not less than $500, or confined in jail not less than 30 days nor more than one year, or both fined and confined. If the intent of the trespasser is to willfully damage, destroy, vandalize, deface, tamper with equipment, or impede or inhibit operations of the critical infrastructure facility, the person is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not less than $1,000 or imprisoned in a state correctional facility for not less than one nor more than three years, or both fined and imprisoned.
(2) Any person who willfully damages, destroys, vandalizes, defaces or tampers with equipment in a critical infrastructure facility is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not less than $2,000 or imprisoned in a state correctional facility for a term of not less than one year nor more than five years, or both fined and imprisoned.
(3) Any person or organization who conspires with any person or organization to commit the offense of trespass against a critical infrastructure facility in violation of subdivision (1) of subsection (c) of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof shall be fined in an amount of not less than $5,000. Any person or organization who conspires with any person or organization to willfully damage, destroy, vandalize, deface or tamper with equipment in a critical infrastructure facility is guilty of a felony and, shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not less than $10,000.
(d)(1) Any person who is arrested for or convicted of an offense under this section may be held civilly liable for any damages to personal or real property while trespassing, in addition to the penalties imposed by this section.
(2) Any person or entity that compensates, provides consideration to or remunerates a person for trespassing as described in subdivision (1) of subsection (c) of this section may also be held liable for damages to personal or real property committed by the person compensated or remunerated for trespassing.
So basically trespassing on one of these facilities is still a misdemeanor, but if you start breaking things you are going to be charged with a felony, and the owner can go after you for restitution.
They own the pipeline, and since this law mostly covers damage or vandalism to the equipment in question, the easement issue becomes moot if they damage the mechanical property.
No it doesn’t ! We are going to build a pipeline and there’s nothing you can do about it if you get in my way we will run you over peacefullyIt bans disobedience not protest
Civil disobedience is a form of protest. It is one of the few meothos the people have of getting their voices heard over the sound of companies buying politicians.
There, see that is what I have issue with. "WE are going to build" means we are going to take by rook or crook your personal property whether you like it or not and if you protest we'll just have your ass locked up, steal everything you own and use whatever measures possible to get there whether its legal or not we will make it legal. Somewhat like shooting LaVoy Finicum down and then claiming he had a gun on him that he never owned.No it doesn’t ! We are going to build a pipeline and there’s nothing you can do about it if you get in my way we will run you over peacefullyIt bans disobedience not protest
Civil disobedience is a form of protest. It is one of the few meothos the people have of getting their voices heard over the sound of companies buying politicians.
You can’t make up your own facts.. says nothing about Peacefully protestingYour post is full of fallacies this protects the workers of the pipeline this protects the equipment this protects the property it says nothing about protestingHey it’s the anti trumper! Let me read this see how dishonest you areWest Virginia Legislation Would Make Civil Disobedience Against Gas Pipelines a Felony
Big oil spending money to buy politicians to avoid being held responsible.
Any WV politicians that vote for this legislation should be removed next election (or sooner).
Hey, it's the Liar. Let me wait and see what lies you tell about what I said.
You don't think civil disobedience is a form of protest? I guess you would have had the people sitting at lunch counters in the '60s prosecuted too?
I care about the land that has been trashed by these so called environmentalist! The threats to workers, the destruction of property... You can peacefully protest all you wantNo it doesn’t ! We are going to build a pipeline and there’s nothing you can do about it if you get in my way we will run you over peacefullyIt bans disobedience not protest
Civil disobedience is a form of protest. It is one of the few meothos the people have of getting their voices heard over the sound of companies buying politicians.
"We"? lol I think a waiter in Boston has no power in this fight. Good to see you don't give a shit about the people. Not news, but still good to see.
No one is going to jail for speaking their mind. What you cant do is fuck with pipelines by chaining yourself to their equipment, blocking their vehicles from coming and going, and otherwise shutting down their business. You deserve jail time if you do that shit.West Virginia Legislation Would Make Civil Disobedience Against Gas Pipelines a Felony
Big oil spending money to buy politicians to avoid being held responsible.
Any WV politicians that vote for this legislation should be removed next election (or sooner).
Felony convictions for civil disobedience? Sounds like fascism to me.
No one is going to jail for speaking their mind. What you cant do is fuck with pipelines by chaining yourself to their equipment, blocking their vehicles from coming and going, and otherwise shutting down their business. You deserve jail time if you do that shit.West Virginia Legislation Would Make Civil Disobedience Against Gas Pipelines a Felony
Big oil spending money to buy politicians to avoid being held responsible.
Any WV politicians that vote for this legislation should be removed next election (or sooner).
Felony convictions for civil disobedience? Sounds like fascism to me.
Felony convictions for civil disobedience against a corporatocracy, specifically.
