Big freaking ruh roh: Intel Chair pretty sure FBI had no warrant to record Flynn

[oreo]

Well, we just went through 2 years of alleged FBI unnamed sources leaking on the Hillary email investigation to the Right Wing Press....and that was taken as "fact" by everyone, of right leanings, on this very board....but it turned out, the fbi did NOT leak the info to FOX NEWS and it was Senator Grassley and other congress critters doing the leaks, that were not all true.

That's all true. What happened to the days when the FBI refused to comment on ongoing investigations and the MEDIA used press conferences, not "unnamed sources" for their stories? To be fair tho -- The Hillary investigations went on so long that people who filed FOIAs for her Sec State days were eligible to see the emails that were also taken from her private server. So let's be consistent here. It's really shady when you have no sources, no direct quotes of alleged conversations and no crime other than IF Flynn lied to the FBI...

I would tend to believe it is true, because of multiple unnamed sources AND because if Flynn felt he had to lie to the Vice President of the USA who is his ally and boss of sorts, then there is nothing to make me believe he would not initially lie to the FBI..... once a liar, always a liar...or at least suspect of being a liar....

He's the past head of DIA - the guy is pro spy. He's not gonna lie to the FBI and think he'd get away with it. HOWEVER, you've seen the old CIA chief lie with impunity to the American people on any number of IMPORTANT things. And his name is ALL OVER most of these "Russian ties to the Trump campaign"...

You just witnessed what FBI Director James Comey did to Hillary Clinton. And you might want to read this article has to what happened on this. Some of your favorites on FOX News may end up in handcuffs over this one. Like Rudi Guiliani and James Kallstrom who have apparently formed their own justice department on FOX. Funny but Huma, Clinton's aid still states she has no idea how copies of her emails ended up on her x-husbands laptop. You want to talk about leaks--LOL Russians hacked into the DNC databases--leaked that information to wikileak founder Julian Assange, who's been holed up in the Ecuador Embassy for the last 4 years, surrounded by UK agents, because he is fighting extradition to Sweden just convinced that they'll hand him over to us where he will face criminal Federal charges for what he did to G.W. Bush. You & Trump were praising all these LEAKS just a few months ago and now you have a problem with these leaks. Now your whining about them--Give me a Break.
Meet Donald Trump’s Top FBI Fanboy
Why is Julian Assange still inside the embassy of Ecuador?

There were leaks on G.W. Bush and every other President in the history of this nation. You think Trump is going to stop it, when he's made enemies out of the CIA, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and 13 other intelligence agencies. Then let's move into International intelligence agencies working out of the UK, France and everywhere else.

Well at least James Comey is under investigation. Unless Trump or Jess Sessions tries to intervene--which would turn into another huge scandal.
DOJ to Investigate James Comey and the FBI

Eric Holder and 100 other former Justice officials sign letter blasting Comey’s ‘breach of protocol’
DOJ Complaint Filed Against FBI Director James Comey For Interfering In Presidential Election
Comey sent Congress letter on Clinton emails despite DOJ warning it would breach policy

Political paybacks are HELL, get used to it.

 

[flacaltenn]

Clearly again, Trump has made plenty of enemies within the intelligence community by continually insulting their intelligence. They're bound to leak information on him, they have certainly done it to many others in the past. What is interesting is that FOX News is reporting this. Whether or not it will ever come out "officially" because Trump has threatened them we'll never know. But I'll guarantee you he'll never find out who they are, because the media is bound to keep their contacts SECRET. You can bet these leaks will continue.

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.

Well, we just went through 2 years of alleged FBI unnamed sources leaking on the Hillary email investigation to the Right Wing Press....and that was taken as "fact" by everyone, of right leanings, on this very board....but it turned out, the fbi did NOT leak the info to FOX NEWS and it was Senator Grassley and other congress critters doing the leaks, that were not all true.

That's all true. What happened to the days when the FBI refused to comment on ongoing investigations and the MEDIA used press conferences, not "unnamed sources" for their stories? To be fair tho -- The Hillary investigations went on so long that people who filed FOIAs for her Sec State days were eligible to see the emails that were also taken from her private server. So let's be consistent here. It's really shady when you have no sources, no direct quotes of alleged conversations and no crime other than IF Flynn lied to the FBI...

I would tend to believe it is true, because of multiple unnamed sources AND because if Flynn felt he had to lie to the Vice President of the USA who is his ally and boss of sorts, then there is nothing to make me believe he would not initially lie to the FBI..... once a liar, always a liar...or at least suspect of being a liar....

He's the past head of DIA - the guy is pro spy. He's not gonna lie to the FBI and think he'd get away with it. HOWEVER, you've seen the old CIA chief, Clapper lie with impunity to the American people on any number of IMPORTANT things. And his name is ALL OVER most of these "Russian ties to the Trump campaign"...

i don't know anything about the ''clapper lied stuff''??? Got a link or a hint on what it was about to jog my memory?

How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

 

[oreo]

Clearly again, Trump has made plenty of enemies within the intelligence community by continually insulting their intelligence. They're bound to leak information on him, they have certainly done it to many others in the past. What is interesting is that FOX News is reporting this. Whether or not it will ever come out "officially" because Trump has threatened them we'll never know. But I'll guarantee you he'll never find out who they are, because the media is bound to keep their contacts SECRET. You can bet these leaks will continue.

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.

Well, we just went through 2 years of alleged FBI unnamed sources leaking on the Hillary email investigation to the Right Wing Press....and that was taken as "fact" by everyone, of right leanings, on this very board....but it turned out, the fbi did NOT leak the info to FOX NEWS and it was Senator Grassley and other congress critters doing the leaks, that were not all true.

That's all true. What happened to the days when the FBI refused to comment on ongoing investigations and the MEDIA used press conferences, not "unnamed sources" for their stories? To be fair tho -- The Hillary investigations went on so long that people who filed FOIAs for her Sec State days were eligible to see the emails that were also taken from her private server. So let's be consistent here. It's really shady when you have no sources, no direct quotes of alleged conversations and no crime other than IF Flynn lied to the FBI...

I would tend to believe it is true, because of multiple unnamed sources AND because if Flynn felt he had to lie to the Vice President of the USA who is his ally and boss of sorts, then there is nothing to make me believe he would not initially lie to the FBI..... once a liar, always a liar...or at least suspect of being a liar....

He's the past head of DIA - the guy is pro spy. He's not gonna lie to the FBI and think he'd get away with it. HOWEVER, you've seen the old CIA chief, Clapper lie with impunity to the American people on any number of IMPORTANT things. And his name is ALL OVER most of these "Russian ties to the Trump campaign"...

i don't know anything about the ''clapper lied stuff''??? Got a link or a hint on what it was about to jog my memory?

How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

Not Necessarily--here is a good article on the Trump Dossier. The point is--we don't know, but it's very possible this could also be leaked.
How the Trump dossier came to light: secret sources, a retired spy and John McCain

 

[oreo]

Clearly again, Trump has made plenty of enemies within the intelligence community by continually insulting their intelligence. They're bound to leak information on him, they have certainly done it to many others in the past. What is interesting is that FOX News is reporting this. Whether or not it will ever come out "officially" because Trump has threatened them we'll never know. But I'll guarantee you he'll never find out who they are, because the media is bound to keep their contacts SECRET. You can bet these leaks will continue.

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.

Well, we just went through 2 years of alleged FBI unnamed sources leaking on the Hillary email investigation to the Right Wing Press....and that was taken as "fact" by everyone, of right leanings, on this very board....but it turned out, the fbi did NOT leak the info to FOX NEWS and it was Senator Grassley and other congress critters doing the leaks, that were not all true.

That's all true. What happened to the days when the FBI refused to comment on ongoing investigations and the MEDIA used press conferences, not "unnamed sources" for their stories? To be fair tho -- The Hillary investigations went on so long that people who filed FOIAs for her Sec State days were eligible to see the emails that were also taken from her private server. So let's be consistent here. It's really shady when you have no sources, no direct quotes of alleged conversations and no crime other than IF Flynn lied to the FBI...

I would tend to believe it is true, because of multiple unnamed sources AND because if Flynn felt he had to lie to the Vice President of the USA who is his ally and boss of sorts, then there is nothing to make me believe he would not initially lie to the FBI..... once a liar, always a liar...or at least suspect of being a liar....

He's the past head of DIA - the guy is pro spy. He's not gonna lie to the FBI and think he'd get away with it. HOWEVER, you've seen the old CIA chief, Clapper lie with impunity to the American people on any number of IMPORTANT things. And his name is ALL OVER most of these "Russian ties to the Trump campaign"...

i don't know anything about the ''clapper lied stuff''??? Got a link or a hint on what it was about to jog my memory?

How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

You may think that Trump is most powerful guy in this country. He's not. He is threatening them, instead of doing what other Presidents have done in the past, by ignoring them. He's adding fuel to the fire by threatening them, and even pissing them off more, while they're sitting back laughing at him.

We have thousands of intelligence agents in this country, and he's not going to be able to single out a dam one of them as to whom is doing these leaks. THE MEDIA WILL GO TO JAIL FIRST BEFORE THEY'LL RELEASE NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO GIVE THEM INFORMATION. They are sworn to confidentiality. We have a free press in this country for a reason. That's to KEEP government in check and inform the American public what they're up to. Without the press there is no freedom in this country, it's Tyranny.

Looks like FOX News is even getting sick of him. Shep Smith takes Trump apart in this video.

 

[flacaltenn]

Wow, you need a court order to listen in on the Ambassador to fucking Russia. Do you think they need one?

You missed a lot in this thread didn't you? NOT a big reader are you?

Privileged conversations between US officials and foreign dignitaries are not supposed to be FLAG, Transcripted, Analyzed, or Distributed without a SPECIFIC request to do so. They ARE probably all RECORDED.. But certainly not acted on. And a nominated Pres campaign has every right to MAKE those contacts and not have the contents appear in the media.

Only a couple hundred people have access to that level of intercept. It was a much SMALLER number before the Agencies were given new "toys" post 9/11 to do DOMESTIC surveillance. And it's likely this convo was LEAKED thru an agency with access to the new domestic anti-terrorism "toys"...

Using deep dark Spy stuff on political campaigns from our OWN government should outrage you. Right RDean??

Why do I bother???

 

[flacaltenn]

You may think that Trump is most powerful guy in this country. He's not. He is threatening them, instead of doing what other Presidents have done in the past, by ignoring them. He's adding fuel to the fire by threatening them, and even pissing them off more, while they're sitting back laughing at him.

Well I'm glad you have a glimpse of the problem here. Because Trump is a true outsider, these "deep state" powers have very little dirt on him.. That's why all the lies and the disinformation. But if you REALIZE how important the deep state is and how power it actually wields --- then you know that virtually EVERY politician and leader in your lifetime could be blackmailed by embarrassing stuff in the vaults. Except for Trump and some of his "outside" crew.

Explains why so much lying and desperation is going on right now. However, I fear you have NO IDEA of the magnitude of consequences of a partisan insurrection down there in those levels. Because the shit slinging could go BOTH ways very easily. You do not WANT this continue. But YET -- you're cheering it on.

So I'm not sure you really get the seriousness of the situation..

 

[flacaltenn]

Clearly again, Trump has made plenty of enemies within the intelligence community by continually insulting their intelligence. They're bound to leak information on him, they have certainly done it to many others in the past. What is interesting is that FOX News is reporting this. Whether or not it will ever come out "officially" because Trump has threatened them we'll never know. But I'll guarantee you he'll never find out who they are, because the media is bound to keep their contacts SECRET. You can bet these leaks will continue.

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.

Well, we just went through 2 years of alleged FBI unnamed sources leaking on the Hillary email investigation to the Right Wing Press....and that was taken as "fact" by everyone, of right leanings, on this very board....but it turned out, the fbi did NOT leak the info to FOX NEWS and it was Senator Grassley and other congress critters doing the leaks, that were not all true.

That's all true. What happened to the days when the FBI refused to comment on ongoing investigations and the MEDIA used press conferences, not "unnamed sources" for their stories? To be fair tho -- The Hillary investigations went on so long that people who filed FOIAs for her Sec State days were eligible to see the emails that were also taken from her private server. So let's be consistent here. It's really shady when you have no sources, no direct quotes of alleged conversations and no crime other than IF Flynn lied to the FBI...

I would tend to believe it is true, because of multiple unnamed sources AND because if Flynn felt he had to lie to the Vice President of the USA who is his ally and boss of sorts, then there is nothing to make me believe he would not initially lie to the FBI..... once a liar, always a liar...or at least suspect of being a liar....

He's the past head of DIA - the guy is pro spy. He's not gonna lie to the FBI and think he'd get away with it. HOWEVER, you've seen the old CIA chief, Clapper lie with impunity to the American people on any number of IMPORTANT things. And his name is ALL OVER most of these "Russian ties to the Trump campaign"...

i don't know anything about the ''clapper lied stuff''??? Got a link or a hint on what it was about to jog my memory?

How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

Not Necessarily--here is a good article on the Trump Dossier. The point is--we don't know, but it's very possible this could also be leaked.
How the Trump dossier came to light: secret sources, a retired spy and John McCain

Not necessarily WHAT? My reply had nothing to do with the fake political opposition research garbage that Clapper packaged up as an "intel community report"... Both are done deal facts. Clapper Lied to Congress about the MASSIVE Patriot Act era spying on Americans. And he lied about the fake "dossier" from the hired gun for the RNC and DNC..

 

[Care4all]

Wow, you need a court order to listen in on the Ambassador to fucking Russia. Do you think they need one?

You missed a lot in this thread didn't you? NOT a big reader are you?

Privileged conversations between US officials and foreign dignitaries are not supposed to be FLAG, Transcripted, Analyzed, or Distributed without a SPECIFIC request to do so. They ARE probably all RECORDED.. But certainly not acted on. And a nominated Pres campaign has every right to MAKE those contacts and not have the contents appear in the media.

Only a couple hundred people have access to that level of intercept. It was a much SMALLER number before the Agencies were given new "toys" post 9/11 to do DOMESTIC surveillance. And it's likely this convo was LEAKED thru an agency with access to the new domestic anti-terrorism "toys"...

Using deep dark Spy stuff on political campaigns from our OWN government should outrage you. Right RDean??

Why do I bother???

did someone on the thread post a law stating that about not being allowed to record a Russian operative if they talk to an American? or do you have a link or what this law would be called so i can google it?

btw, on flynn with the ambassador....5 calls with him, the day of the sanctions, that was AFTER the campaign not during....

And he was NOT a govt official being recorded....he was a private citizen.

 

[Care4all]

Clearly again, Trump has made plenty of enemies within the intelligence community by continually insulting their intelligence. They're bound to leak information on him, they have certainly done it to many others in the past. What is interesting is that FOX News is reporting this. Whether or not it will ever come out "officially" because Trump has threatened them we'll never know. But I'll guarantee you he'll never find out who they are, because the media is bound to keep their contacts SECRET. You can bet these leaks will continue.

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.

Well, we just went through 2 years of alleged FBI unnamed sources leaking on the Hillary email investigation to the Right Wing Press....and that was taken as "fact" by everyone, of right leanings, on this very board....but it turned out, the fbi did NOT leak the info to FOX NEWS and it was Senator Grassley and other congress critters doing the leaks, that were not all true.

That's all true. What happened to the days when the FBI refused to comment on ongoing investigations and the MEDIA used press conferences, not "unnamed sources" for their stories? To be fair tho -- The Hillary investigations went on so long that people who filed FOIAs for her Sec State days were eligible to see the emails that were also taken from her private server. So let's be consistent here. It's really shady when you have no sources, no direct quotes of alleged conversations and no crime other than IF Flynn lied to the FBI...

I would tend to believe it is true, because of multiple unnamed sources AND because if Flynn felt he had to lie to the Vice President of the USA who is his ally and boss of sorts, then there is nothing to make me believe he would not initially lie to the FBI..... once a liar, always a liar...or at least suspect of being a liar....

He's the past head of DIA - the guy is pro spy. He's not gonna lie to the FBI and think he'd get away with it. HOWEVER, you've seen the old CIA chief, Clapper lie with impunity to the American people on any number of IMPORTANT things. And his name is ALL OVER most of these "Russian ties to the Trump campaign"...

i don't know anything about the ''clapper lied stuff''??? Got a link or a hint on what it was about to jog my memory?

How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

Not Necessarily--here is a good article on the Trump Dossier. The point is--we don't know, but it's very possible this could also be leaked.
How the Trump dossier came to light: secret sources, a retired spy and John McCain

Not necessarily WHAT? My reply had nothing to do with the fake political opposition research garbage that Clapper packaged up as an "intel community report"... Both are done deal facts. Clapper Lied to Congress about the MASSIVE Patriot Act era spying on Americans. And he lied about the fake "dossier" from the hired gun for the RNC and DNC..

what was clapper's lies regarding those 2 things????

 

[oreo]

You may think that Trump is most powerful guy in this country. He's not. He is threatening them, instead of doing what other Presidents have done in the past, by ignoring them. He's adding fuel to the fire by threatening them, and even pissing them off more, while they're sitting back laughing at him.

Well I'm glad you have a glimpse of the problem here. Because Trump is a true outsider, these "deep state" powers have very little dirt on him.. That's why all the lies and the disinformation. But if you REALIZE how important the deep state is and how power it actually wields --- then you know that virtually EVERY politician and leader in your lifetime could be blackmailed by embarrassing stuff in the vaults. Except for Trump and some of his "outside" crew.

Explains why so much lying and desperation is going on right now. However, I fear you have NO IDEA of the magnitude of consequences of a partisan insurrection down there in those levels. Because the shit slinging could go BOTH ways very easily. You do not WANT this continue. But YET -- you're cheering it on.

So I'm not sure you really get the seriousness of the situation..

There is no one that could have watched ANY of those debates either during the primary season or with Hillary Clinton and walked away believing that Trump won a single one of them, much less that he was qualified or competent to be commander & chief of this country. If they tell you that they're lying through their teeth.

You've been mad at the Establishment for quite some time now, and it's because you don't understand basic civics, and you NEVER consider the circumstances of like defunding Obamacare without a single thought of leaving millions that were forced onto this program without insurance overnight. Politicians like Ted Cruz and other Tea Party candidates have manipulated you into believing that they're going to "defund Planned Parenthood"--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, that they could REPEAL OBAMACARE--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN now it's repeal and replace but they'll probably end up fixing it--that they're going to appoint a U.S. Supreme Court Justice that will do away with ROE V WADE--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

These are used constantly in right wing campaign rhetoric to get your vote. So when these things don't happen you have Rush Limbaugh and right wing talk show hosts whom also manipulate you into believing that they're all nothing but a bunch of RINO's and Establishment politicians that are sitting up there on their ass's getting nothing done. You believe that since they had a small majority in both houses, that they could handle Obamacare, get the budget in order, etc. etc. etc. even though Obama was sitting in the Oval office with a veto pen in hand.

So you were directed toward a non-establishment candidate Trump by right wing radio talk show hosts. and some on FOX News with this continual directed anger at your own party. Now it's imploding on you. This is what happens when you insist on living in a right wing media bubble, that delivers commentary based on ratings and profits, to suit a right wing audience. They have convinced you that all other media is false, or made up of all lies, when in fact it's quite the opposite. FOX News turned into the Trump media networks during the primary giving Trump an unprecedented 2 BILLION in free news coverage while ignoring all other candidates. Why? Ratings & profits. Their viewership dropped off a cliff, and now CNN is number one.
But WHY is CNN crushing Fox News in the ratings? | RedState

Trump is the accidental nominee and here is a link you can read so you'll understand it.
Donald Trump the ACCIDENTAL nominee

At any rate, you're an angry voter and you voted for an angry candidate. You were warned over and over again about Trump, and you ignored all of those warnings. You voted on emotions, and when you do that it usually ends up being a YUUUGE mistake.

And here is a great article on how Trump broke the conservative media in this country. Long but very informative--and why it's got to stop.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

 

[flacaltenn]

You may think that Trump is most powerful guy in this country. He's not. He is threatening them, instead of doing what other Presidents have done in the past, by ignoring them. He's adding fuel to the fire by threatening them, and even pissing them off more, while they're sitting back laughing at him.

Well I'm glad you have a glimpse of the problem here. Because Trump is a true outsider, these "deep state" powers have very little dirt on him.. That's why all the lies and the disinformation. But if you REALIZE how important the deep state is and how power it actually wields --- then you know that virtually EVERY politician and leader in your lifetime could be blackmailed by embarrassing stuff in the vaults. Except for Trump and some of his "outside" crew.

Explains why so much lying and desperation is going on right now. However, I fear you have NO IDEA of the magnitude of consequences of a partisan insurrection down there in those levels. Because the shit slinging could go BOTH ways very easily. You do not WANT this continue. But YET -- you're cheering it on.

So I'm not sure you really get the seriousness of the situation..

There is no one that could have watched ANY of those debates either during the primary season or with Hillary Clinton and walked away believing that Trump won a single one of them, much less that he was qualified or competent to be commander & chief of this country. If they tell you that they're lying through their teeth.

You've been mad at the Establishment for quite some time now, and it's because you don't understand basic civics, and you NEVER consider the circumstances of like defunding Obamacare without a single thought of leaving millions that were forced onto this program without insurance overnight. Politicians like Ted Cruz and other Tea Party candidates have manipulated you into believing that they're going to "defund Planned Parenthood"--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, that they could REPEAL OBAMACARE--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN now it's repeal and replace but they'll probably end up fixing it--that they're going to appoint a U.S. Supreme Court Justice that will do away with ROE V WADE--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

These are used constantly in right wing campaign rhetoric to get your vote. So when these things don't happen you have Rush Limbaugh and right wing talk show hosts whom also manipulate you into believing that they're all nothing but a bunch of RINO's and Establishment politicians that are sitting up there on their ass's getting nothing done. You believe that since they had a small majority in both houses, that they could handle Obamacare, get the budget in order, etc. etc. etc. even though Obama was sitting in the Oval office with a veto pen in hand.

So you were directed toward a non-establishment candidate Trump by right wing radio talk show hosts. and some on FOX News with this continual directed anger at your own party. Now it's imploding on you. This is what happens when you insist on living in a right wing media bubble, that delivers commentary based on ratings and profits, to suit a right wing audience. They have convinced you that all other media is false, or made up of all lies, when in fact it's quite the opposite. FOX News turned into the Trump media networks during the primary giving Trump an unprecedented 2 BILLION in free news coverage while ignoring all other candidates. Why? Ratings & profits. Their viewership dropped off a cliff, and now CNN is number one.
But WHY is CNN crushing Fox News in the ratings? | RedState

Trump is the accidental nominee and here is a link you can read so you'll understand it.
Donald Trump the ACCIDENTAL nominee

At any rate, you're an angry voter and you voted for an angry candidate. You were warned over and over again about Trump, and you ignored all of those warnings. You voted on emotions, and when you do that it usually ends up being a YUUUGE mistake.

And here is a great article on how Trump broke the conservative media in this country. Long but very informative--and why it's got to stop.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

C'mon.. Is that you excuse for justifying turning the most powerful Spy Factory on the planet AGAINST your political opponents? What "brand" of American are you really? You really want to rationalize the apocalypse of the Republic with all the horseshit you just wrote?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

What happened here is what happens in police states.

Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.

"In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports).

John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in 2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term.

The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.

Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern.

"There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said.

"From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."

Get the fucking bastards!

The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn

So you're saying that Flynn didn't try to undermine U.S. sanctions against Russia?

He didn't. He never mentioned sanctions.

So, he was fired for what then?

Why do you not pay attention? For misleading the vice president. General Flynn lost the trust of the President.

Lying about what specifically?
What did the VP go on national television and defend Flynn for that was later determined to be false?

 

[rdean]

Why are all these USMB Republicans so determined to protect Russia? Anyone?

 

[danielpalos]

pander for market share?

 

[oreo]

You may think that Trump is most powerful guy in this country. He's not. He is threatening them, instead of doing what other Presidents have done in the past, by ignoring them. He's adding fuel to the fire by threatening them, and even pissing them off more, while they're sitting back laughing at him.

Well I'm glad you have a glimpse of the problem here. Because Trump is a true outsider, these "deep state" powers have very little dirt on him.. That's why all the lies and the disinformation. But if you REALIZE how important the deep state is and how power it actually wields --- then you know that virtually EVERY politician and leader in your lifetime could be blackmailed by embarrassing stuff in the vaults. Except for Trump and some of his "outside" crew.

Explains why so much lying and desperation is going on right now. However, I fear you have NO IDEA of the magnitude of consequences of a partisan insurrection down there in those levels. Because the shit slinging could go BOTH ways very easily. You do not WANT this continue. But YET -- you're cheering it on.

So I'm not sure you really get the seriousness of the situation..

There is no one that could have watched ANY of those debates either during the primary season or with Hillary Clinton and walked away believing that Trump won a single one of them, much less that he was qualified or competent to be commander & chief of this country. If they tell you that they're lying through their teeth.

You've been mad at the Establishment for quite some time now, and it's because you don't understand basic civics, and you NEVER consider the circumstances of like defunding Obamacare without a single thought of leaving millions that were forced onto this program without insurance overnight. Politicians like Ted Cruz and other Tea Party candidates have manipulated you into believing that they're going to "defund Planned Parenthood"--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, that they could REPEAL OBAMACARE--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN now it's repeal and replace but they'll probably end up fixing it--that they're going to appoint a U.S. Supreme Court Justice that will do away with ROE V WADE--NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

These are used constantly in right wing campaign rhetoric to get your vote. So when these things don't happen you have Rush Limbaugh and right wing talk show hosts whom also manipulate you into believing that they're all nothing but a bunch of RINO's and Establishment politicians that are sitting up there on their ass's getting nothing done. You believe that since they had a small majority in both houses, that they could handle Obamacare, get the budget in order, etc. etc. etc. even though Obama was sitting in the Oval office with a veto pen in hand.

So you were directed toward a non-establishment candidate Trump by right wing radio talk show hosts. and some on FOX News with this continual directed anger at your own party. Now it's imploding on you. This is what happens when you insist on living in a right wing media bubble, that delivers commentary based on ratings and profits, to suit a right wing audience. They have convinced you that all other media is false, or made up of all lies, when in fact it's quite the opposite. FOX News turned into the Trump media networks during the primary giving Trump an unprecedented 2 BILLION in free news coverage while ignoring all other candidates. Why? Ratings & profits. Their viewership dropped off a cliff, and now CNN is number one.
But WHY is CNN crushing Fox News in the ratings? | RedState

Trump is the accidental nominee and here is a link you can read so you'll understand it.
Donald Trump the ACCIDENTAL nominee

At any rate, you're an angry voter and you voted for an angry candidate. You were warned over and over again about Trump, and you ignored all of those warnings. You voted on emotions, and when you do that it usually ends up being a YUUUGE mistake.

And here is a great article on how Trump broke the conservative media in this country. Long but very informative--and why it's got to stop.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

C'mon.. Is that you excuse for justifying turning the most powerful Spy Factory on the planet AGAINST your political opponents? What "brand" of American are you really? You really want to rationalize the apocalypse of the Republic with all the horseshit you just wrote?

Yes it is unusual for so much to be coming out in the first 3 weeks of a newly elected President. But most of these intelligence agents are REPUBLICANS--Democrats are in the minority of this.

Now if they know they cannot TRUST the POTUS with classified information, and Republicans aren't doing anything about it, they are going to inform the American public via means of leaks. They have sworn an oath to protect this nation and to defend the U.S. Constitution. They are in fact the line of protection for our Democracy.

And when Shep Smith and John McCain (who has never been one to stretch the truth) are having a conniption fit over this, it's time to man up and pay attention to what's going on. This is NOT coming from Obama left-overs and liberals it's coming from REPUBLICANS.

McCain Blasts Trump's Policies in Munich Speech




Now you can turn on Sean Hannity--and I am certain he'll have a completely different opinion & version for you. BUT you cannot deny what comes out of Trump's mouth and his tweety fingers, no matter how hard you try.
Donald Trump is a unique threat to American democracy

 

[tinydancer]

Clearly again, Trump has made plenty of enemies within the intelligence community by continually insulting their intelligence. They're bound to leak information on him, they have certainly done it to many others in the past. What is interesting is that FOX News is reporting this. Whether or not it will ever come out "officially" because Trump has threatened them we'll never know. But I'll guarantee you he'll never find out who they are, because the media is bound to keep their contacts SECRET. You can bet these leaks will continue.

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.

That's all true. What happened to the days when the FBI refused to comment on ongoing investigations and the MEDIA used press conferences, not "unnamed sources" for their stories? To be fair tho -- The Hillary investigations went on so long that people who filed FOIAs for her Sec State days were eligible to see the emails that were also taken from her private server. So let's be consistent here. It's really shady when you have no sources, no direct quotes of alleged conversations and no crime other than IF Flynn lied to the FBI...

He's the past head of DIA - the guy is pro spy. He's not gonna lie to the FBI and think he'd get away with it. HOWEVER, you've seen the old CIA chief, Clapper lie with impunity to the American people on any number of IMPORTANT things. And his name is ALL OVER most of these "Russian ties to the Trump campaign"...

i don't know anything about the ''clapper lied stuff''??? Got a link or a hint on what it was about to jog my memory?

How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

Not Necessarily--here is a good article on the Trump Dossier. The point is--we don't know, but it's very possible this could also be leaked.
How the Trump dossier came to light: secret sources, a retired spy and John McCain

Not necessarily WHAT? My reply had nothing to do with the fake political opposition research garbage that Clapper packaged up as an "intel community report"... Both are done deal facts. Clapper Lied to Congress about the MASSIVE Patriot Act era spying on Americans. And he lied about the fake "dossier" from the hired gun for the RNC and DNC..

what was clapper's lies regarding those 2 things????

The so called dossier is fake. And only fools believe that it is for real. It got blown out of the water instantly by the reporter from The Atlantic. I can't believe that you believe the golden showers bullshit.

And Clapper flat out lied to Congress about the spying scandal.

He should have been up on charges. Ditto freaking Brennan. You don't remember this massive scandal?

Cripes. The sons of bitches even spied on Senate Staffers!

And Brennan was a mega liar too. Brennan invented the "kill list". You know the drone assassination program. The American assassination by drone program under Obama. He's a liar as well.

 

[oreo]

Clearly again, Trump has made plenty of enemies within the intelligence community by continually insulting their intelligence. They're bound to leak information on him, they have certainly done it to many others in the past. What is interesting is that FOX News is reporting this. Whether or not it will ever come out "officially" because Trump has threatened them we'll never know. But I'll guarantee you he'll never find out who they are, because the media is bound to keep their contacts SECRET. You can bet these leaks will continue.

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.

i don't know anything about the ''clapper lied stuff''??? Got a link or a hint on what it was about to jog my memory?

How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

Not Necessarily--here is a good article on the Trump Dossier. The point is--we don't know, but it's very possible this could also be leaked.
How the Trump dossier came to light: secret sources, a retired spy and John McCain

Not necessarily WHAT? My reply had nothing to do with the fake political opposition research garbage that Clapper packaged up as an "intel community report"... Both are done deal facts. Clapper Lied to Congress about the MASSIVE Patriot Act era spying on Americans. And he lied about the fake "dossier" from the hired gun for the RNC and DNC..

what was clapper's lies regarding those 2 things????

The so called dossier is fake. And only fools believe that it is for real. It got blown out of the water instantly by the reporter from The Atlantic. I can't believe that you believe the golden showers bullshit.

And Clapper flat out lied to Congress about the spying scandal.

He should have been up on charges. Ditto freaking Brennan. You don't remember this massive scandal?

Cripes. The sons of bitches even spied on Senate Staffers!

And Brennan was a mega liar too. Brennan invented the "kill list". You know the drone assassination program. The American assassination by drone program under Obama. He's a liar as well.

You don't know that, you're not privy to intelligence information. We watched the Comrade give an 1-1/2 hour speech the other day--that was packed full of lies, and attacks on people--the Media who were simply pointing out the facts. There is NO such thing has "alternative FACTS". We also know that something has got the hair up on the back of the necks of Republicans on the Senate Intelligence committee, as they are DEMANDING full scale investigations into Flynn and Trump's ties to Russia.
McConnell: Flynn investigation 'highly likely' in Senate committee - CNNPolitics.com

We know that the Trump campaign was in constant communication with High level Russian officials through-out the campaign season. They have the phone records to prove it.
Trump aides were in constant touch with senior Russian officials during campaign - CNNPolitics.com

I have noticed many of you on this board are newbee's. And I sure don't see the long time right wing members on this board defending Trump on this. Many of them did NOT support Trump for the nominee, but voted for him over Hillary Clinton anyway.

This COUNTRY comes first over Partisan politics, and if you don't understand that, then you're no Patriot of this country. At this point you're just defending your own ignorance. I am certain most of you who supported and voted for Trump are very embarrassed about it, but it's time to get over that, admit you made an enormous mistake, and support those who are defending this country against the Ass Clown you have made Commander & Chief of this country.

 

[Care4all]

Clearly again, Trump has made plenty of enemies within the intelligence community by continually insulting their intelligence. They're bound to leak information on him, they have certainly done it to many others in the past. What is interesting is that FOX News is reporting this. Whether or not it will ever come out "officially" because Trump has threatened them we'll never know. But I'll guarantee you he'll never find out who they are, because the media is bound to keep their contacts SECRET. You can bet these leaks will continue.

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.

i don't know anything about the ''clapper lied stuff''??? Got a link or a hint on what it was about to jog my memory?

How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

Not Necessarily--here is a good article on the Trump Dossier. The point is--we don't know, but it's very possible this could also be leaked.
How the Trump dossier came to light: secret sources, a retired spy and John McCain

Not necessarily WHAT? My reply had nothing to do with the fake political opposition research garbage that Clapper packaged up as an "intel community report"... Both are done deal facts. Clapper Lied to Congress about the MASSIVE Patriot Act era spying on Americans. And he lied about the fake "dossier" from the hired gun for the RNC and DNC..

what was clapper's lies regarding those 2 things????

The so called dossier is fake. And only fools believe that it is for real. It got blown out of the water instantly by the reporter from The Atlantic. I can't believe that you believe the golden showers bullshit.

And Clapper flat out lied to Congress about the spying scandal.

He should have been up on charges. Ditto freaking Brennan. You don't remember this massive scandal?

Cripes. The sons of bitches even spied on Senate Staffers!

And Brennan was a mega liar too. Brennan invented the "kill list". You know the drone assassination program. The American assassination by drone program under Obama. He's a liar as well.

nope, know nothing about this so called scandal...was it in your alternative facts news only?

I've never believed the golden showers stuff....but as far as the rest of the dossier....intelligence has confirmed the dates and times and people who met and provided info for the dossier....soooo, it was not simply, just made up...

 

[spy vs spy]

Wow, you need a court order to listen in on the Ambassador to fucking Russia. Do you think they need one?

You missed a lot in this thread didn't you? NOT a big reader are you?

Privileged conversations between US officials and foreign dignitaries are not supposed to be FLAG, Transcripted, Analyzed, or Distributed without a SPECIFIC request to do so. They ARE probably all RECORDED.. But certainly not acted on. And a nominated Pres campaign has every right to MAKE those contacts and not have the contents appear in the media.

Only a couple hundred people have access to that level of intercept. It was a much SMALLER number before the Agencies were given new "toys" post 9/11 to do DOMESTIC surveillance. And it's likely this convo was LEAKED thru an agency with access to the new domestic anti-terrorism "toys"...

Using deep dark Spy stuff on political campaigns from our OWN government should outrage you. Right RDean??

Why do I bother???

The lesson to americans is "buy american" and to "talk american". When you talk to foreigners or terrorists , Uncle Sam will be listening.

 

[spy vs spy]

Continuing this would be unwise. Because from the time the "Golden Shower" bullshit hit the deck, it's been deception and disinformation ENDORSED all the way up to the old CIA chief Clapper. Was a couple days before the that material the CIA tacked on the addendum to the "Russian Interference" paper was found out to be a DOMESTIC operation paid for by Trump's Primary season adversaries and later bought by the 2nd customer, the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's was PURE political "opposition research". Not ANYTHING that had official US Intel content. And the mental midget McCain who pretended he never KNEW it was political bullshit was PROBABLY a donor for the opposition research effort on Trump.

Trump isn't threatening anybody. He's gonna FIND the internal Intel conspirators and punish them like they SHOULD be punished. Using beyond Top Secret methods to spy on an opposition campaign should give EVERY American pause. And that's what appears to have happened here. CONTINUE IT?? Good fucking luck with that.
How about his bold ass statement in Congress that the NSA was NOT "bulk collecting" on American citizens for starters? Proven ridiculously wrong by NSA whistle-blowers like Snowden. When you have the highest officials making bald-faced lies like that -- it's hard to come forward to your superiors to register your reservations about "constitutionality" of programs you're tasked to do.

Latest Explanation For James Clapper Lying About 'Essential' NSA Spy Program: 'He Forgot About It'

There's plenty more WHOPPERS where that came from.. .

Not Necessarily--here is a good article on the Trump Dossier. The point is--we don't know, but it's very possible this could also be leaked.
How the Trump dossier came to light: secret sources, a retired spy and John McCain

Not necessarily WHAT? My reply had nothing to do with the fake political opposition research garbage that Clapper packaged up as an "intel community report"... Both are done deal facts. Clapper Lied to Congress about the MASSIVE Patriot Act era spying on Americans. And he lied about the fake "dossier" from the hired gun for the RNC and DNC..

what was clapper's lies regarding those 2 things????

The so called dossier is fake. And only fools believe that it is for real. It got blown out of the water instantly by the reporter from The Atlantic. I can't believe that you believe the golden showers bullshit.

And Clapper flat out lied to Congress about the spying scandal.

He should have been up on charges. Ditto freaking Brennan. You don't remember this massive scandal?

Cripes. The sons of bitches even spied on Senate Staffers!

And Brennan was a mega liar too. Brennan invented the "kill list". You know the drone assassination program. The American assassination by drone program under Obama. He's a liar as well.

nope, know nothing about this so called scandal...was it in your alternative facts news only?

I've never believed the golden showers stuff....but as far as the rest of the dossier....intelligence has confirmed the dates and times and people who met and provided info for the dossier....soooo, it was not simply, just made up...

Trump would have full access to everything we know about the dossier. Trump may have been personally briefed on it starting shortly after the election.