rtwngAvngr
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Diuretic said:And humankind finds the cures.
Do you think humans are better than god? Do you think god is dumb?
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Diuretic said:And humankind finds the cures.
rtwngAvngr said:Do you think humans are better than god? Do you think god is dumb?
Avatar4321 said:The return to Israel is just the beginning of the prophecied gathering of Israel. Judah will likely for the most part remain in unbelief until the prophecy is fulfilled and Christ comes splitting the Mount of Olives twain. Then they will ask what the marks in His hands and feet are and He will respond 'Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.' (Zech 13:6)
Tell me do you think Israel could be gathered one iota if God wanted otherwise?
Diuretic said:If I said I thought that humans were better than God I would offend people. If I said I thought God was dumb I would offend people. I have a friend who says I'm too soft because I don't take on believers head-on (the religion doesn't matter, he's an equal opportunity atheist and puts all deists under one heading). But regardless of what he thinks I don't insult people because of their religious beliefs and I don't insult the objects of their veneration. That goes for all religions.
Since I don't believe in a god your questions aren't relevant to me, but I'm sure you'll make something of my response that suits you, so go ahead. Just don't mistake my being reasonable for anything other than what it is - me being reasonable.
In the meantime let me explain my response to your post.
You posted that "God allows all kinds of diseases and plagues." You might have also added that God allows wars, famines, tsunamis, earthquakes - see where this is going? It's God's will. Or it's the will of Allah. Either way it's from the same school of thought.
So to examine your position I pointed out that humans find the cures and antidotes to diseases and plagues.
Now let me ask you a question. Do you believe that we are opposing God's will by finding cures and antidotes? Or do you believe that we are in fact living up to what God expects of us, that we, when tested by diseases and plagues, find the knowledge to overcome these things?
GotZoom said:I would pay big money to back you in a "cut-and-paste" contest. Do you have any thoughts of your own? Everything you say is from someone else. I would love to hear YOUR thoughts Shammy. Can you even make a post without quoting someone else?
rtwngAvngr said:Your friends right, you're a wimp.
And I basically agree with you; just because god allows something, doesn't mean we have to support it.
Shamgar said:Yawn. . . . so you have "original thoughts"? So they are completely devoid of influence from gurus, political action groups, books, television. . .etc. . . .so when did they let you out of the bubble or are you still encased? Btw thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion. . . .
unsubstantiated adj: not supported or proven by evidence.
Unsubstantiated adj: unverified: not proven factually
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Ecc 1:9
Yet despite their individual and psychological issues, dispensationalists who used the Protocols [Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion] believed that the document matched their understanding of prophesy.
Timothy P. Weber, On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 152.
Rank-and-file dispensationalists were forgiving and forgetful during the decades between the wars. They stuck by their leaders even when they misread the signs of the times. The Bible teachers did not seem especially bothered by their failures either. Events were changing fast so there was little time for apologies.
Timothy P. Weber, On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 93.
Those who had see the nonaggression pact as the beginning of the northern confederacy were stunned. In response to this reversal of fortunes, there was just one big awkward silence from the prophetic experts.(88) One exception was the Weekly Evangel: There are some prophets who are suffering no casualties. They are inspired writers of Bible prophesy. Their words shall be fulfilled. We may err when wee forecast just how and when they will be fulfilled, but God's own time the entire prophetic plan shall be complete.
Timothy P. Weber, On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 92-93.
Diuretic said:Adolescence must be painful still. Your inability to respond without personal remarks is a mark of adolescence. But not to worry, you'll grow out of it. If, however, it's been a long time since puberty then you have some problems and you really need to see a professional.
And while you're seeing that professional you may also ask about your inability to comprehend simple phrases constructed so that a child of average intelligence can understand the ideas contained therein and respond appropriately. You appear to have a major problem with understanding very straightforward ideas.
Your avatar, a comic figure, appears to have more rationality than you, the poster, perhaps you, the poseur, is more appropriate.
I think, on reflection, that you are an adolescent, not too many adults I know are capable of representing themselves consistently in such a foolish manner.
Given you are an adolescent then, I shall grant you a dispensation.
I've pointed out your foolishness, now do something about it.
Either that or find a forum where you can practise Leet with the others and leave adults to discuss things among themselves.
Now run along.
Shamgar said:Yawn. . . . so you have "original thoughts"? So they are completely devoid of influence from gurus, political action groups, books, television. . .etc. . . .so when did they let you out of the bubble or are you still encased? Btw thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion. . . .
unsubstantiated adj: not supported or proven by evidence.
Unsubstantiated adj: unverified: not proven factually
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Ecc 1:9
Yet despite their individual and psychological issues, dispensationalists who used the Protocols [Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion] believed that the document matched their understanding of prophesy.
Timothy P. Weber, On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 152.
Rank-and-file dispensationalists were forgiving and forgetful during the decades between the wars. They stuck by their leaders even when they misread the signs of the times. The Bible teachers did not seem especially bothered by their failures either. Events were changing fast so there was little time for apologies.
Timothy P. Weber, On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 93.
Those who had see the nonaggression pact as the beginning of the northern confederacy were stunned. In response to this reversal of fortunes, there was just one big awkward silence from the prophetic experts.(88) One exception was the Weekly Evangel: There are some prophets who are suffering no casualties. They are inspired writers of Bible prophesy. Their words shall be fulfilled. We may err when wee forecast just how and when they will be fulfilled, but God's own time the entire prophetic plan shall be complete.
Timothy P. Weber, On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 92-93.
5stringJeff said:Interesting how you can quote Timothy Weber over and over and over, but you can't reply to one simple post regarding Biblical passages.
5stringJeff said:So I see that you have no real answer to a Biblical rebuttal, and can only form one-sentence replies before reverting back to quoting those who follow a warped form of Christianity.
Shamgar said:Interesting that I don't typically waste my time responding to drones whose only response boils down to "Is not!". . . ."Is not!". .. . "Is not!". .. . . :baby:
5stringJeff said:So I see that you have no real answer to a Biblical rebuttal, and can only form one-sentence replies before reverting back to quoting those who follow a warped form of Christianity.
jillian said:As opposed to pseudo-intellectual drones who nurse conspiracy theories and whose only arguments are the arguments of others which boil down to "is to!...is too!! is too!!!?????"
Shamgar said:It appears you see very little since your :baby: "Is Not!". . . . ."Is Not!". . . . ."Is Not!". . . . .is hardly a "rebuttal". . . .as I have yet to find "Is Not!". . . . ."Is Not!". . . . ."Is Not!". . . . .found in the Scriptures. . . maybe you scrawled them in your copy but that doesn't count . . . . .