Best states for math and science have high rate of teacher unionization

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  1. OohPooPahDoo
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    Unions | Teachers Union Facts

    State Education Rankings: The Best And Worst For Math And Science

    All of the "well above average" states for math & science have > 75% unionization rate.

    All of the "above average" states for math & science have > 75% unionization rate except Virginia.

    Of the 9 "far below" average states, 6 have a unionization rate below 45%.

    Clearly its not the unions causing schools to do poorly in math and science. Any suggestion that they are doesn't doesn't jive with the facts.
     
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    Ever wonder why lefties love illegal aliens who don't know a word of English? It's an excuse for the failure of the union based school system. Look at the map. Border states make the worst union based education look good.
     
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    You know that's all relative right?

    American Education is shit and has been shit for quite some time. Not even in the top 10 of industrialized nations.

    "Well Above Average" takes on a whole new meaning when you realize that.
     
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    so our best mean nothing to you?

    why is it you prefer failure?
     
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    Wow. Everything is always about illegal immigrants and abortion with you right wing nutties.
     
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    So you'd prefer below average because BWAAHHGH unions still gotta be the cause no matter what the data says.

    Got it.
     
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    It looks like when a state has a high rate of unionization, the parents resort to private schools which increases the scores in math and science.
     
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    My cousin and her Husband both held jobs with the Army Corp of Engineers, they both left their Jobs and moved to Massachusetts to teach, her husband to teach Science and she took a mathematics job, on the Cape, in Massachusetts....they were from New York State. This town on the Cape was hurting for Math and Science teachers, so they offered my cousin and her husband, no property taxes on their home in their community for 5-10 years if they came to teach there, along with a lot of other perks, like excellent salaries.

    The town that we lived in Massachusetts had the number 1 school rating in the county....Matt and I were never able to have children, but we chose to live in this town because we felt the resale value of the home would be greater when we went to sell it. Property taxes were outrageous there....for a small 1600 sq ft home they were nearly $4000 a year....We did get that money back and some when we did sell it, so our hunch was right.

    Good schooling does matter in the northeast/New England...people do and will pay for better teachers and they recruit for the best of the best across State lines up here...

    I know that has nothing to do with Unions, other than the pay structure and getting the best of the best with that pay structure, along with other things to attract good teachers like giving free property taxes.... I believe for a while the State or maybe it was the city of Boston, offered no income taxes for teachers willing to work in Boston....so they could attract teachers...
     
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    I personally know (unlike most of the unionphobes on here) the "union" is an invisible nothing in the day-to-day running of a classroom.

    It basically means if you don't think the latest greatest teaching method (like group work) is garbage and say so, the principal won't be able to exact revenge.

    It promotes good honest dialog and keeps your nose from the manditory turning brown.

    And these "new" theories come and go like cold fronts in the plains, usually promoted by a teacher that bailed out and is now out selling the theory like used cars.
     
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    Well duh, does the left ignore every fact and every aspect of modern civilization or just the ones that tend to disprove their crazy theories?
     

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