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I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
You realize this is the standard rationale of liberal statists, right?
They always lose, government is corrupt. Why are corporations more important to you than tax payers? You are foolish if you think tax deals are the main incentive. Most businesses are moving to that location regardless, free taxes are just icing on the cake.They collect services. The fire and police departments still work for them even though they don’t pay taxes. In the cases of Walmart and amazon it can be quite a lot of services. When one company doesn’t pay, other companies and tax payers now pay more.Yes, just as many companies get pulled away from you as you attract. Meanwhile, the tax payer loses.Well all states do do it. We lost several opportunities because another city or state beat us on tax incentives. Baltimore (for whatever reason) was doing that to us many years ago; around the time the Cleveland Browns moved there.
To reiterate, some states are just better places to be than others. Up here, the weather is miserable much of the time. If it's not the snow, it's the rain, if it's not the rain, it's the humidity. There are times when businesses have to close or their employees can't make it to work.
So these tax incentives gives us the ability to offer something to level the playing field. And let's face it, you can't stop states from taxing less. The Constitution gives states the ability to run their own governments the way they see fit providing nothing they're doing is violation the US Constitution.
Every time one of these deals are made, that company still collects services. Other tax payers are now forced to pay for their services.
What do you mean pay for their services? If anything, their services would be cheaper because they are paying less taxes.
So if we lose just as many businesses as we gain, are you suggesting that it’s better we just lose businesses and not gain any back?
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I’m saying it should be ended. The tax payer loses every time. They are moochers.
No because in most all cases, the city still collects taxes, just not as much as they do from other industries. WTF would a city invite a business to their area and lose money? That defeats the entire purpose.
So the two choices they have is to offer abutments and collect some taxes, or allow them to go somewhere else and get no new tax revenue. Which scenario would cost other businesses and taxpayers more?
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So conservative means more government influence now?I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
You realize this is the standard rationale of liberal statists, right?
No, what liberals do is use taxation to tax people into compliance. That’s not what we are talking about here. Here, we are taking about government lowering taxes to attract business; a very conservative thing to do.
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They are playing a game. They know where they want to go. Creating this illusion gets them the deals.They always lose, government is corrupt. Why are corporations more important to you than tax payers? You are foolish if you think tax deals are the main incentive. Most businesses are moving to that location regardless, free taxes are just icing on the cake.They collect services. The fire and police departments still work for them even though they don’t pay taxes. In the cases of Walmart and amazon it can be quite a lot of services. When one company doesn’t pay, other companies and tax payers now pay more.Yes, just as many companies get pulled away from you as you attract. Meanwhile, the tax payer loses.
Every time one of these deals are made, that company still collects services. Other tax payers are now forced to pay for their services.
What do you mean pay for their services? If anything, their services would be cheaper because they are paying less taxes.
So if we lose just as many businesses as we gain, are you suggesting that it’s better we just lose businesses and not gain any back?
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I’m saying it should be ended. The tax payer loses every time. They are moochers.
No because in most all cases, the city still collects taxes, just not as much as they do from other industries. WTF would a city invite a business to their area and lose money? That defeats the entire purpose.
So the two choices they have is to offer abutments and collect some taxes, or allow them to go somewhere else and get no new tax revenue. Which scenario would cost other businesses and taxpayers more?
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Then you have no idea what you’re talking about. Follow the news when a major industry is debating three or four places to erect or expand their operations. Tax abatement is at the top of the list.
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I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
You realize this is the standard rationale of liberal statists, right?
No, what liberals do is use taxation to tax people into compliance. That’s not what we are talking about here. Here, we are taking about government lowering taxes to attract business; a very conservative thing to do.
It isn't up to Government to help us, it's up to Government to get out of the way of those who can help us. Entrepreneurs will start business's, if government doesn't tax them to death or regulate the hell out of them.I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
So conservative means more government influence now?I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
You realize this is the standard rationale of liberal statists, right?
No, what liberals do is use taxation to tax people into compliance. That’s not what we are talking about here. Here, we are taking about government lowering taxes to attract business; a very conservative thing to do.
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They are playing a game. They know where they want to go. Creating this illusion gets them the deals.They always lose, government is corrupt. Why are corporations more important to you than tax payers? You are foolish if you think tax deals are the main incentive. Most businesses are moving to that location regardless, free taxes are just icing on the cake.They collect services. The fire and police departments still work for them even though they don’t pay taxes. In the cases of Walmart and amazon it can be quite a lot of services. When one company doesn’t pay, other companies and tax payers now pay more.What do you mean pay for their services? If anything, their services would be cheaper because they are paying less taxes.
So if we lose just as many businesses as we gain, are you suggesting that it’s better we just lose businesses and not gain any back?
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I’m saying it should be ended. The tax payer loses every time. They are moochers.
No because in most all cases, the city still collects taxes, just not as much as they do from other industries. WTF would a city invite a business to their area and lose money? That defeats the entire purpose.
So the two choices they have is to offer abutments and collect some taxes, or allow them to go somewhere else and get no new tax revenue. Which scenario would cost other businesses and taxpayers more?
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Then you have no idea what you’re talking about. Follow the news when a major industry is debating three or four places to erect or expand their operations. Tax abatement is at the top of the list.
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It isn't up to Government to help us, it's up to Government to get out of the way of those who can help us. Entrepreneurs will start business's, if government doesn't tax them to death or regulate the hell out of them.I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
You realize this is the standard rationale of liberal statists, right?
No, what liberals do is use taxation to tax people into compliance. That’s not what we are talking about here. Here, we are taking about government lowering taxes to attract business; a very conservative thing to do.
This is not "lowering taxes to attract business". What we're talking about is specific exemptions to reward specific businesses - government picking winners and losers. This is government "management" of society in classic liberal style. And you're employing the very same excuses.
I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
You realize this is the standard rationale of liberal statists, right?
No, what liberals do is use taxation to tax people into compliance. That’s not what we are talking about here. Here, we are taking about government lowering taxes to attract business; a very conservative thing to do.
This is not "lowering taxes to attract business". What we're talking about is specific exemptions to reward specific businesses - government picking winners and losers. This is government "management" of society in classic liberal style. And you're employing the very same excuses.
No, what we are talking about here is government trying to bring a business into their community using tax incentives. Or do you really believe that each state should have the same tax rate for businesses as ever other state?
So conservative means more government influence now?I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
You realize this is the standard rationale of liberal statists, right?
No, what liberals do is use taxation to tax people into compliance. That’s not what we are talking about here. Here, we are taking about government lowering taxes to attract business; a very conservative thing to do.
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No, conservatism of lowering taxes to help business.
They don’t want to. Every politician now gets to claim they created jobs. You are really blind to the game?They are playing a game. They know where they want to go. Creating this illusion gets them the deals.They always lose, government is corrupt. Why are corporations more important to you than tax payers? You are foolish if you think tax deals are the main incentive. Most businesses are moving to that location regardless, free taxes are just icing on the cake.They collect services. The fire and police departments still work for them even though they don’t pay taxes. In the cases of Walmart and amazon it can be quite a lot of services. When one company doesn’t pay, other companies and tax payers now pay more.
I’m saying it should be ended. The tax payer loses every time. They are moochers.
No because in most all cases, the city still collects taxes, just not as much as they do from other industries. WTF would a city invite a business to their area and lose money? That defeats the entire purpose.
So the two choices they have is to offer abutments and collect some taxes, or allow them to go somewhere else and get no new tax revenue. Which scenario would cost other businesses and taxpayers more?
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Then you have no idea what you’re talking about. Follow the news when a major industry is debating three or four places to erect or expand their operations. Tax abatement is at the top of the list.
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Of course, that must be it. And they are so sly that the cities or states can’t figure out their plan.
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Good conservatives want to lower taxes for all business, not pick and choose who gets special treatment. That is corporatism.So conservative means more government influence now?I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
You realize this is the standard rationale of liberal statists, right?
No, what liberals do is use taxation to tax people into compliance. That’s not what we are talking about here. Here, we are taking about government lowering taxes to attract business; a very conservative thing to do.
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No, conservatism of lowering taxes to help business.
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Government is then picking winners and losers. That is more government influence.It isn't up to Government to help us, it's up to Government to get out of the way of those who can help us. Entrepreneurs will start business's, if government doesn't tax them to death or regulate the hell out of them.I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
Correct, and what can be more of getting government out of the way than government taking less from them?
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Government is then picking winners and losers. That is more government influence.It isn't up to Government to help us, it's up to Government to get out of the way of those who can help us. Entrepreneurs will start business's, if government doesn't tax them to death or regulate the hell out of them.I know all about it. My dad was an O/O for ten years. The shit he went through was insane. The question is, do we want more of that? Or less?
The real question is will we ever be a country where laws are applied equally? No we won't. Do we want more of that? Depends on the end results. Why should a city or state crumble into nothing because they aren't allowed to compete with better states for business?
How do you feel about Carter when he made red-lining illegal? Banks were then forced to give loans to bad investment high-crime areas. Carter seen those areas continue to spiral down. Should he have let them to go down until they hit rock bottom? And if not, is that not government picking winners and losers because people in better areas couldn't get loans?
You're trying to justify deliberately using the law to reward some and punish others, not for the sake of justice, but just to achieve some goal of the government. Fuck that. It's social engineering every bit as repulsive as the shit brewed up by liberals.
It's not to achieve the goals of government, it's to achieve the goals of the city or state for the people. I want jobs in my area just like you want jobs in yours. Isn't it up to government to help us in that goal? Because if they don't help us, who will?
Correct, and what can be more of getting government out of the way than government taking less from them?
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