Belief Systems Left and Right . . .

[Tehon]

Yes. And Marx wasn't as smart as Hegel.

Maybe, lol.

Marx gave Hegel's dialectic method a practical purpose that we still make use of today. Much of Hegel's notoriety outside of the philosophical world is only due to his association with Marx.

 

[night_son]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

Yes, it's very strange.

But then you find so many people who want to believe, they've been trained to believe since they were kids, what with religion being a part of daily life.

Kids should be taught to think, not believe.

Absolutely untrue. Children must first be taught a foundation of personal responsibility. Without that, no amount of ideology can intellectualize away their life problems, or the truths and facts of reality, which cause them.

 

[night_son]

I would venture to say that no two persons on earth, whether they identify as right or left, share identical belief systems.

Personal beliefs are just that, personal, and, I suspect, as unique to the individual as fingerprints or DNA.

Unfortunately, and while I agree that each individual mind of our billions is a unique universe unto its own, minds tend to collectivize or aggregate under meta narrative based ideological umbrellas, at the cost of surrendering key aspects of and abilities for, independent thought to some degree, often to a highly detrimental extent, allowing for such dangerous tendencies as group think, mass hysteria, political correctness and easier indoctrination.

 

[night_son]

Why do so many Right Wingers actively seek to conflate faith and politics, two subjects along with money ought to be avoided in polite conversation. Why do Right Wingers want to wrap themselves in the two most potent symbols in our culture; the flag and the Bible?

Surely it makes their political/Ecclesiastal world more comfortable, but not unassailable. Faith is not a matter for compromise. No one of faith would broach compromising their belief in God. Similarly, they feel that their political ideology is inviolate, pure, absolutely correct and anyone opposing it is a heretic.

I am a man of faith. I have been a Christian all 61 years of my life. When I became politically aware back in the late 1960s, I took a Lineral stance and I have not backed away from it. But I do not for one second want my fath to inform my politics. I do not, for one second, think that it is right, appropriate or American to call my politics my faith or my faith politics.

I think the reason so many on my side of the aisle look askance at 'Chritianity' is due to the dogmatic and twisted interpretations so many 'Christians' use when defending indefensible political positions. Creation vs. evolution, marriage equality, racial relations and, the big one, reproductive freedom. These issues, these wedge issues, these cultural issues are, in the absence of a polarizing president, what divide this culture the most.

When a baker discriminates against a customer not because the customer is completing himself in an unseemly manner, but because the baker thinks the customer's lifestyle is icky, 'Christians' twist a beautiful, loving faith based on forgiveness and empathy ito something unrecognizable as Christianity.

When 'Christians' take it upon themselves to harass a frightened young woman who has made the most emotionally excruciating decision of her young life, one must ask what ever happened to the Golden Rule?

So the righteousness of a narrow interpretation of faith collides with the righteousness of those who harbor political paranoia, we get to the point of why and how the Left feels justified in dismissing 'Christianity'. By the way, if you want a paradigm for what happens when faith meets politics, look no further than the Taliban. Fundamentalism attracts strange bedfellows.

I read you as a double line, middle of the road fence walker. Either one stands in solidarity against ideological evil, or one is complicit with said evil, regardless of self-moderation or faith. One cannot claim to have faith and respect for the ancient foundations of moral fact, while still claiming to be possessed of a mind open to and embracing contemporary cultural darkness. Doesn't work that way. You wish to have the best of both worlds. Trust me, that desire is a sinking ship.

 

[night_son]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

These days I fear it is much more simplistic than that. It is base self-righteousness--it makes them feel good, morally superior. And from their morally superior perch they can shame and degrade everyone else, publicly, through social media, and receive vast attaboys too.

They are the veriest Puritans since Plymouth Rock*. And I tell them so whenever I get the chance, because the brainwashing is so effective they don't even think about it. They don't have to.

*But of course, much worse than Puritans: all of the judgment, none of the mercy and atonement of Jesus Christ.

Thanks, I wholly agree.

Self-aggrandizement. Self-righteousness. Sanctimoniousness. Self-fulfilling prophecy. The pillars of the Leftism faith. The revolutionary is always puritanical and the blade of the zealot is always the sharpest and readiest to be used.

 

[night_son]

One wonders why so many seek to destroy the term 'religion' by constantly misusing it to speak of socio-political ideas.

One wonders why one fears acknowledgement of God so. Sit on the fence or hop down and speak.

 

[night_son]

When they say Socialism is a religion, they don't mean it's a religion, but that it's similar to. That the traits people follow when being religious are often played out by socialists, communists etc.

They believe, rather than know, they hide the truth to make sure what they believe "becomes true", they attack those that don't think the same as them. Similarities, therefore they can say that it's a religion

If what you say is true, and I do believe it is a dubious claim, then why aren't the religionists cognizant of their own actions?

The religionists are claiming they are no different from communists and socialists.

They're not aware of what they're doing because they choose to ignore.

Imagine you grow up. Your parents tell you there's a God. You teachers tell you there's a God. Your friends believe.

Are you going to turn around and say they're all stupid? No.

And yet, in your seemingly depthless naïveté and thirst for defiance of parental and social and divine authority, your godlessness is not unique. Atheism was put right there into your brain by words derived from another dusty old tome, written by a man whose own desire to brainwash and destroy ancient moral foundation succeeded, on you, quite well.

 

[DOTR]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

Those who choose to do evil over good do not like being judged; do not like being told that they are doing wrong.

Religion remains the primary, consistent source of guidance in distinguishing between right and wrong, between good and evil. It is no surprise that religion is hated and condemned by those who choose evil.

I agree with you. However, those American Leftists who have been brainwashed into the cult of radical Leftism, young people in particular, are not inherently evil and should be capable of reasoning their way out of the cult or intellectualizing their way out. Seems the indoctrination is just too effective, huh?

You have seen entire countries brought to ruin by indoctrination. When the indoctrination becomes the milieu there is no way out. It is what 1984 was about. The media indoctrination is all pervasive.
And the left are children emotionally which makes it easier. They can’t imagine holding an unpopular view. Groupthink reigns in their minds like a passel of 10th grade girls all wearing the same clothes.

 

[night_son]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

Two things. First of all Marzism is its own religion and it is a very jelous one. Marxism promises a paradise on Earth and it brooks no competition from the other kind of heaven.
And second yes rebellion. Childish rebellion. Leftists are emotionally children and I am sure you have noticed their weakness for propaganda and fads and charismatic leaders. Like 12 year olds. And with children comes rebellion. Child against parent. Wife against husband. Government against citizens.

Thank you. Well laid out response.

I also believe their faith in radical Leftism is almost solely about rebellion; about being able to do what their parents, teachers, religious doctrines and even peers have always told them they should not do. Seems they will sacrifice anything and everything for this ultimate responsibility without consequence—or at least without anyone holding hem accountable.

Like children the left attacks what they don’t understand. And they destroy what they didn’t build.
Look what they did to Marriage. With their weird Skinnerism and obsession, again like children, with sex without responsibility.
Today they cry that we need abortion and welfare to clean up the mess they made.
They pushed for no fault divorce and condemned millions of women to poverty and now run ad campaigns begging men to be fathers and insist on huge government programs to replace male breadwinners.

Childish rebellion. With the results they were warned of.

The OT states
According to the biblical account, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives were described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Edom, Sidon and of the Hittites. ... The only wife mentioned by name is Naamah the Ammonite, mother of Solomon's successor, Rehoboam.
Solomon - Wikipedia
Solomon - Wikipedia

And according to the NT Jesus nor Paul had a wife and Jesus told men to follow him and leaved their children. Paul actually says only get married if you can't control your sexuality.

Abraham had a concubine, Sarah's slave women.


I find the Democrats much more moral than the Republicans who fake it.

And you talk abortion, al men use a condom, because you do not have a right to tell a women what she can or can't do.

Yes, Penny . . . you fear to be indoctrinated by evil woman hating, man created religion. And yet, and yet you have been indoctrinated by . . . drum roll . . . the teachings of men. What a gift . . .

 

[night_son]

I wonder if the right wing religious zealots recognize that since the fall of the Soviet Union they have supported an endless war in the name of their ideology and to the detriment of the common citizens of Western liberal societies. Frankly, I am sick of it. The physical and emotional violence perpetrated in this war is a far cry from any supposed "intellectual violence", lol, from those who resist the right wing ideological bullshit.

Poor babies, proving Marx accurate yet again.

He has taught you well . . . to play his harpsicord, to the tune of dancing wearing blinders. You get the "spit my coffee out laughing" this morning award.

 

[night_son]

And by the way, though Hegel was an atheist, he had a positive view of Christianity, and religion in general. So did F.A. Hayek. Many make the mistake of conflating Marx's views with Hegel's on a number of issues, and they are wrong to do so; Marx deliberately positioned himself as the 'Anti-Hegel', using Hegel's own dialectics methodology to arrive at the opposite views Hegel arrived at.

Yes, however, Hegelian dialectic is the tracks and rails the modern or postmodern radical Left has ridden into its current station, and has become a religious rite on its own behalf for the revolutionary Left's intelligentsia recruiting ideologies.

 

[Penelope]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

Two things. First of all Marzism is its own religion and it is a very jelous one. Marxism promises a paradise on Earth and it brooks no competition from the other kind of heaven.
And second yes rebellion. Childish rebellion. Leftists are emotionally children and I am sure you have noticed their weakness for propaganda and fads and charismatic leaders. Like 12 year olds. And with children comes rebellion. Child against parent. Wife against husband. Government against citizens.

Thank you. Well laid out response.

I also believe their faith in radical Leftism is almost solely about rebellion; about being able to do what their parents, teachers, religious doctrines and even peers have always told them they should not do. Seems they will sacrifice anything and everything for this ultimate responsibility without consequence—or at least without anyone holding hem accountable.

Like children the left attacks what they don’t understand. And they destroy what they didn’t build.
Look what they did to Marriage. With their weird Skinnerism and obsession, again like children, with sex without responsibility.
Today they cry that we need abortion and welfare to clean up the mess they made.
They pushed for no fault divorce and condemned millions of women to poverty and now run ad campaigns begging men to be fathers and insist on huge government programs to replace male breadwinners.

Childish rebellion. With the results they were warned of.

The OT states
According to the biblical account, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives were described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Edom, Sidon and of the Hittites. ... The only wife mentioned by name is Naamah the Ammonite, mother of Solomon's successor, Rehoboam.
Solomon - Wikipedia
Solomon - Wikipedia

And according to the NT Jesus nor Paul had a wife and Jesus told men to follow him and leaved their children. Paul actually says only get married if you can't control your sexuality.

Abraham had a concubine, Sarah's slave women.


I find the Democrats much more moral than the Republicans who fake it.

And you talk abortion, al men use a condom, because you do not have a right to tell a women what she can or can't do.

Yes, Penny . . . you fear to be indoctrinated by evil woman hating, man created religion. And yet, and yet you have been indoctrinated by . . . drum roll . . . the teachings of men. What a gift . . .

You are right, man created religion and what we suspect is God , and no I am not indoctrinated by the teachings of men. The men in the OT and NT are not my ideal of what a man should be like.

 

[Taz]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

Maybe if you could prove your god, people wouldn't dismiss is outright. Ever thought of that?

 

[night_son]

Two things. First of all Marzism is its own religion and it is a very jelous one. Marxism promises a paradise on Earth and it brooks no competition from the other kind of heaven.
And second yes rebellion. Childish rebellion. Leftists are emotionally children and I am sure you have noticed their weakness for propaganda and fads and charismatic leaders. Like 12 year olds. And with children comes rebellion. Child against parent. Wife against husband. Government against citizens.

Thank you. Well laid out response.

I also believe their faith in radical Leftism is almost solely about rebellion; about being able to do what their parents, teachers, religious doctrines and even peers have always told them they should not do. Seems they will sacrifice anything and everything for this ultimate responsibility without consequence—or at least without anyone holding hem accountable.

Like children the left attacks what they don’t understand. And they destroy what they didn’t build.
Look what they did to Marriage. With their weird Skinnerism and obsession, again like children, with sex without responsibility.
Today they cry that we need abortion and welfare to clean up the mess they made.
They pushed for no fault divorce and condemned millions of women to poverty and now run ad campaigns begging men to be fathers and insist on huge government programs to replace male breadwinners.

Childish rebellion. With the results they were warned of.

The OT states
According to the biblical account, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives were described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Edom, Sidon and of the Hittites. ... The only wife mentioned by name is Naamah the Ammonite, mother of Solomon's successor, Rehoboam.
Solomon - Wikipedia
Solomon - Wikipedia

And according to the NT Jesus nor Paul had a wife and Jesus told men to follow him and leaved their children. Paul actually says only get married if you can't control your sexuality.

Abraham had a concubine, Sarah's slave women.


I find the Democrats much more moral than the Republicans who fake it.

And you talk abortion, al men use a condom, because you do not have a right to tell a women what she can or can't do.

Yes, Penny . . . you fear to be indoctrinated by evil woman hating, man created religion. And yet, and yet you have been indoctrinated by . . . drum roll . . . the teachings of men. What a gift . . .

You are right, man created religion and what we suspect is God , and no I am not indoctrinated by the teachings of men. The men in the OT and NT are not my ideal of what a man should be like.

No, man did not create God; God created man and accordingly man derived from God's word to complexify endless tomes of rite and ritual. And yes, the lords of Enlightenment Era philosophic atheist debauchery have enabled and empowered you to believe you are somehow defying man created words, while worshipping man created words. It is so clear, and yet you refuse to see.

 

[night_son]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

Maybe if you could prove your god, people wouldn't dismiss is outright. Ever thought of that?

If only I had half a cent for each of the product iterations of your same-question mill. Your fallback position question, "But can you prove God exists?" is less a Great Wall of China and more or less a "No True Scotsman" wooden fence around a cow pasture. Sorry.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

Yes, it's very strange.

But then you find so many people who want to believe, they've been trained to believe since they were kids, what with religion being a part of daily life.

Kids should be taught to think, not believe.

Absolutely untrue. Children must first be taught a foundation of personal responsibility. Without that, no amount of ideology can intellectualize away their life problems, or the truths and facts of reality, which cause them.

Well, I'm not sure we're talking about different things here.

Christianity teaches certain things in a certain way.

Do you think there's a reason the top 30 or so countries for murder are Christian countries? And the top 50 cities for murder are all in Christian countries?

Kids are being taught stuff. How about "do what you like during the week, come to us once a week and we'll tell you that everything's okay and you're forgiven for all your bad shit"?

 

[Taz]

How many of you also are curious as to why the most sanctimonious of American Leftists in particular so intellectually violently reject religion, namely Christianity, while at the same time just as intellectually violently embrace what essentially amounts to a much more dogmatic, oppressive and lethal religion of orthodox postmodernism derived from blends of radical revolutionary Enlightenment Era Atheism, French Revolutionism, Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Utopianism, Hegelian Dialectic, Deconstructionism, Antipositivism, Transcendentalism, Moral Relativism, Moral Nihilism, Moral Anti-Realism and associated anti-truth, anti-fact materialist thinking?

Many American Leftists instantly attack mere mention of belief in the Logos, dismiss God outright, and then venerate their ideologue Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment orthodox radical Left philosophers as deities who wore flesh and bones. They raise mortal atheist men up as Gods, while refusing God of time immemorial. They dismiss one religion while trading said belief for another religion, a much more baleful one.

Is their hypocritic naiveté in fact simply all about rebellion? Is their hatred of Christianity about the freedom of breaking ancient taboo, and their subscription to radical Leftist philosophy simply made because such philosophies assure them moral facts do not exist and so they can practice whatever depravity they so desire? For them, is it all about unlimited freedom without the self-imposed restraint of moral personal responsibility? Essentially, how blind foolish and anti-truth must one be to worship these godless men who have convinced them no consequence exists for existence without moral restraint?

Maybe if you could prove your god, people wouldn't dismiss is outright. Ever thought of that?

If only I had half a cent for each of the product iterations of your same-question mill. Your fallback position question, "But can you prove God exists?" is less a Great Wall of China and more or less a "No True Scotsman" wooden fence around a cow pasture. Sorry.

You're asking why people dismiss your god. I'm just saying that it's because it all sounds made up, and it is, but you still take it seriously and are offended when people just dismiss you and it. You should call for a jihad against blasphemous infidels.

 

[frigidweirdo]

When they say Socialism is a religion, they don't mean it's a religion, but that it's similar to. That the traits people follow when being religious are often played out by socialists, communists etc.

They believe, rather than know, they hide the truth to make sure what they believe "becomes true", they attack those that don't think the same as them. Similarities, therefore they can say that it's a religion

If what you say is true, and I do believe it is a dubious claim, then why aren't the religionists cognizant of their own actions?

The religionists are claiming they are no different from communists and socialists.

They're not aware of what they're doing because they choose to ignore.

Imagine you grow up. Your parents tell you there's a God. You teachers tell you there's a God. Your friends believe.

Are you going to turn around and say they're all stupid? No.

And yet, in your seemingly depthless naïveté and thirst for defiance of parental and social and divine authority, your godlessness is not unique. Atheism was put right there into your brain by words derived from another dusty old tome, written by a man whose own desire to brainwash and destroy ancient moral foundation succeeded, on you, quite well.

Wait, what?

You're talking about my "godlessness" as if it's a bad thing, all the while attacking me like... like.... like someone who doesn't have a moral basis.

I'm not an atheist. So, your assumptions are ridiculous.

So what's the point of any of your post? Attack me for being something I'm not? Well done.

 

[BreezeWood]

No, man did not create God; God created man and accordingly man derived from God's word to complexify endless tomes of rite and ritual.

- complexify endless tomes of rite and ritual.

physiology is a creation made from the elements of the periodic table and is bound by the same metaphysical forces that distinguish each element as an independent unit - the word is not complexity, it is purity and is not found in your 10,000 page political document disguised as a religion. the functionality is the religion of Antiquity that distinguishes the type of purity as was created in the beginning.

 

[ding]

One wonders why so many seek to destroy the term 'religion' by constantly misusing it to speak of socio-political ideas.

You misspelled protect.