Ban all guns in Germany!

[The Great Goose]

men of Germany. look into your women's eyes. They want you to shoot men.

 

[yiostheoy]

I was addressing the question of gun shops in Germany.

The strict proviso's don't seem to prevent these gun tragedies from happening. Since I've been here, there have been several school shootings.

That's because things are easy to steal, and things end up on the street that way.

It will be interesting to find out how the German/Iranian kid got the got the gun. Hopefully the debrief will tell us in the coming days.

 

[yiostheoy]

And you must be a member of a gun club, have a Jagdshein, or have a very, very difficult to obtain Special Collectors License. Additionally you have to carry extensive insurance (50,000 Euro IIRC) keep all guns in locked safes, and if you fail a spot check all of your guns are confiscated. There is a national registry of all guns and owners, and after going through all the work to get a license you still have to wait a year, and undergo a psych evaluation before you can buy a gun. That's why less than 2% of the German population has guns. Basically the wealthy are the only ones who can afford them.

A de facto ban for all intents and purposes then. Thanks WestW.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Vote Hillary if you want to "tolerate" these terrorists.

 

[yiostheoy]

The predominant game animals in Europe are the wild boar and the red deer.

My older generation relatives over there talked about boar hunting with gusto.

The younger cousins do not.

I can hunt wild Russian pigs (boars and sows) here in California fairly cheaply. The annual hunting license is just under USD $50.

The red deer of Europe are like an ancient dwarf American elk. I wonder if the taste is similar to American elk?

American elk tastes somewhere between deer and beef.

American deer tastes somewhere between beef and lamb.

So elk is more beefy.

Hunting is a great sport when you know the terrain and the habits of the herds that inhabit it.

 

[yiostheoy]

Vote Hillary if you want to "tolerate" these terrorists.

spam

 

[yiostheoy]

Why so much concern for the Germans ?

Topic of the thread.

 

[Mindful]

There are gun shops in most shopping streets in German towns. Which also sell the most deadly looking knives.

And you must be a member of a gun club, have a Jagdshein, or have a very, very difficult to obtain Special Collectors License. Additionally you have to carry extensive insurance (50,000 Euro IIRC) keep all guns in locked safes, and if you fail a spot check all of your guns are confiscated. There is a national registry of all guns and owners, and after going through all the work to get a license you still have to wait a year, and undergo a psych evaluation before you can buy a gun. That's why less than 2% of the German population has guns. Basically the wealthy are the only ones who can afford them.

I was addressing the question of gun shops in Germany.

The strict proviso's don't seem to prevent these gun tragedies from happening. Since I've been here, there have been several school shootings.

There are fewer gun shops than you claim and the guns are at least twice as expensive in Germany as they are here in the States. I actually have a Jagdschein and the average cost for one of those is 20,000 Euro's. Plus you have to take an ecology class that lasts a year. Most of the so called gun shops you are talking about are toy stores that also sell air soft pellet guns. Those are not lethal, hell at point blank range they would put your eye out, barely. In Berlin the last time I was there there were 6 gun shops we visited. That was it for the whole city.

Compared to the UK, in which there are none to be seen.

Nevertheless, it goes against the grain, for massacres I. A country with

I was addressing the question of gun shops in Germany.

The strict proviso's don't seem to prevent these gun tragedies from happening. Since I've been here, there have been several school shootings.

That's because things are easy to steal, and things end up on the street that way.

It will be interesting to find out how the German/Iranian kid got the got the gun. Hopefully the debrief will tell us in the coming days.

Watching a German journalist for Die Welt yesterday:

There is a huge black market, weaponry coming in from the East.

 

[The Great Goose]

German men! Bury your face in the warm safe place of your woman's hair.

 

[yiostheoy]

...But again, the murder rate in Germany is far lower than the US. Less people die, people are safer.

The pro-gun crowd seem to think that having guns is going to save them from attacks. Really? I mean, the US has seen these sorts of attacks and sees similar numbers of people being killed, doesn't it? Cops with guns are being killed. 5 armed cops killed in one place doesn't exactly show that guns are able to stop things happening immediately.
It does show that in the US you are far more likely to die from guns.

You have thrown a lot of crap into your statement and you have provided no citations.

I've tried to look some of it up but found it's not easy to do.

Thus your rant is mostly hear-say gossip.

I did find a website on murder rates. The data are old though:

Countries Compared by Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Brazil has the highest murder rate. Brazil has similar gun laws as California except their minimum age is 25.

India is second in the list. But in India it is almost impossible to own a gun.

Mexico is third on the list. Mexico is also similar to California in its gun laws.

Ethiopia is fourth. Like India, gun ownership is extremely low although the murder rate is extremely high.

So your theory of correlation between guns and murder rates is unsound right out of the box.

The USA is 14th on the list for murder rates. Gun ownership varies from 20% in California to 61% in Alaska.

Germany is 73rd on the list, behind the UK at 71st, and ahead of all the other European nations.

So with the tightest gun control of all Europe, Germany still has the highest murder rate.

Ergo if you are going to do a comparison, try to avoid red herring comparisons.

Q.E.D.

 

[yiostheoy]

Watching a German journalist for Die Welt yesterday:

There is a huge black market, weaponry coming in from the East.

So the German/Iranian kid may have gotten the gun in a street purchase then.

 

[midcan5]

While gun huggers and other puddle deep thinkers engage in finger pointing and bizarre comparisons, sensible people have to wonder at the copycat mentality. After Columbine school shootings increased, after the bombs stated exploding bombs appeared, now terrorism is becoming too frequent. I wonder if police officers think of the next nut with a gun? Give people a cause and they often do evil. The setting matters and media attention matters but who thinks of the complexities of information on the mind of the easily influenced.

 

[yiostheoy]

While gun huggers and other puddle deep thinkers engage in finger pointing and bizarre comparisons, sensible people have to wonder at the copycat mentality. After Columbine school shootings increased, after the bombs stated exploding bombs appeared, now terrorism is becoming too frequent. I wonder if police officers think of the next nut with a gun? Give people a cause and they often do evil. The setting matters and media attention matters but who thinks of the complexities of information on the mind of the easily influenced.

The true nuts are the gun haters.

 

[Baron]

Oooops...they're already banned. Didn't stop the Muslim animal from mowing down 9 Germans, mostly kids, while yelling Allahuakbar.

Democrat media keeps asking like a chicken with its head cut off, how did the attacker get hold of guns is such a restricted country?! Bunch of fucking retards.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Only Muslims are allow to have guns in Germany, not Germans.

 

[defcon4]

Yup guns are already pretty much banned in Germany.

Guns have been restricted there since 1495 in conjunction with their anti-dueling law.

Restrictions on ownership became even more stringent after WW1.

Then in 1938 the NAZI's implemented strict permit requirements first to buy and then to possess guns. This is the precursor to the present law in effect there today.

Germany now has about 400,000 hunters owning guns and another 1 million non-hunting shooters and collectors, for a total of 1.4 million out of a population of 81 million. This is under 2%.

The USA by comparison has about 80 million gun owners each owning an average of 8 guns out of a population of 319 million -- 25% of every living man, woman, and child -- and 40% of households.

Not sure how this Iranian kid got his hands on a gun there. Maybe the debrief will tell us in the coming days. Perhaps he bought it on the street or stole it.

Gun legislation in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am quite sure they are not going to tell us shit. They are already saying that the guy was born in Germany. There was only one shooter (same as in Dallas and Baton Rouge) instead of three shooters. These misguided folks actually were not Islamic terrorists, but disgruntled citizens who had nothing to do with ISIS. When news break we have a base information what gets "edited" and spinned as time elapses according to the agenda of Global Elite.

 

[defcon4]

What use is it? Well if you need a gun and you want a gun then you can get a gun. If you don't need a gun then you'll find it a lot harder to get a gun.

Who determines if you need a gun or not, the government?

German murder rate is more than 4 times lower than the US murder rate.

Crime/murder rate comparison is more complex than gun ownership. These kind of simplified crime statistics never consider
- national cohesion
- civil obedience
- civil discipline
- less in-country migration
- punishment as deterrent
- public "shame" as deterrent
and I am sure there are more elements to consider.

 

[Mindful]

• Police today confirmed that Sonboly had 300 rounds of ammunition in his bag while he shot at people in the city

• He had documents about 'spree shootings' in his room at his parents' flat where he lived, two miles from the scene

• The teenager used a Glock 17 semi-automatic handgun to kill the victims

Daily Mail

I'd like to know where he got the Glock from.

 

[frigidweirdo]

...But again, the murder rate in Germany is far lower than the US. Less people die, people are safer.

The pro-gun crowd seem to think that having guns is going to save them from attacks. Really? I mean, the US has seen these sorts of attacks and sees similar numbers of people being killed, doesn't it? Cops with guns are being killed. 5 armed cops killed in one place doesn't exactly show that guns are able to stop things happening immediately.
It does show that in the US you are far more likely to die from guns.

You have thrown a lot of crap into your statement and you have provided no citations.

I've tried to look some of it up but found it's not easy to do.

Thus your rant is mostly hear-say gossip.

I did find a website on murder rates. The data are old though:

Countries Compared by Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Brazil has the highest murder rate. Brazil has similar gun laws as California except their minimum age is 25.

India is second in the list. But in India it is almost impossible to own a gun.

Mexico is third on the list. Mexico is also similar to California in its gun laws.

Ethiopia is fourth. Like India, gun ownership is extremely low although the murder rate is extremely high.

So your theory of correlation between guns and murder rates is unsound right out of the box.

The USA is 14th on the list for murder rates. Gun ownership varies from 20% in California to 61% in Alaska.

Germany is 73rd on the list, behind the UK at 71st, and ahead of all the other European nations.

So with the tightest gun control of all Europe, Germany still has the highest murder rate.

Ergo if you are going to do a comparison, try to avoid red herring comparisons.

Q.E.D.

I'm not really sure why you think what I've said it crap. As for backing up, isn't that what these forums are famous for, people not backing themselves up?

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Germany's rate is around the 0.9 per 100,000 level, the US is at about the 3.9 level. That makes it about 4 times higher.

People are less likely to die in Germany, and in all Western European countries than in the US.

It's a fact. Not crap.

As for the pro-gun people thinking guns are going to save them. Well you can see it all over this forum. In fact the OP basically implied that the attack happened (ie not safer) because of the "ban" on guns (which is absolute made up crap for you).

 

[frigidweirdo]

...But again, the murder rate in Germany is far lower than the US. Less people die, people are safer.

The pro-gun crowd seem to think that having guns is going to save them from attacks. Really? I mean, the US has seen these sorts of attacks and sees similar numbers of people being killed, doesn't it? Cops with guns are being killed. 5 armed cops killed in one place doesn't exactly show that guns are able to stop things happening immediately.
It does show that in the US you are far more likely to die from guns.

You have thrown a lot of crap into your statement and you have provided no citations.

I've tried to look some of it up but found it's not easy to do.

Thus your rant is mostly hear-say gossip.

I did find a website on murder rates. The data are old though:

Countries Compared by Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Brazil has the highest murder rate. Brazil has similar gun laws as California except their minimum age is 25.

India is second in the list. But in India it is almost impossible to own a gun.

Mexico is third on the list. Mexico is also similar to California in its gun laws.

Ethiopia is fourth. Like India, gun ownership is extremely low although the murder rate is extremely high.

So your theory of correlation between guns and murder rates is unsound right out of the box.

The USA is 14th on the list for murder rates. Gun ownership varies from 20% in California to 61% in Alaska.

Germany is 73rd on the list, behind the UK at 71st, and ahead of all the other European nations.

So with the tightest gun control of all Europe, Germany still has the highest murder rate.

Ergo if you are going to do a comparison, try to avoid red herring comparisons.

Q.E.D.

To reply to the latter part.

You're taking number of murders. Not murders per capita. This is wrong to do so. Brazil is a large country. Germany is a larger country than many. Per capita shows you how dangerous a country is. I mean, if the Vatican city has a murder a day, and Brazil has 10 murders a day, the Vatican is more dangerous.

Looking at your chart with murders per million, you see Honduras leaps ahead of all others. Cape Town is the only city in the top 40 of murder capitals of the world right now.

The US on your chart is 99th in the world. Very few of those countries above them will be developed countries.

The US has 42.01 (which is basically 4.2 on the per 100,000 which is the usual way of expressing it).

Luxembourg and Finland are close by, but at 22 and 24 (though Luxembourg has lots of foreigners so their murder rate is actually too high in reality, because they count citizens then murder, but half the country doesn't get counted)

The UK is 157th in the world at 11.68 and Germany is 177th with 8.44

So based on this the murder rate is much lower. These were 2010 based whereas the other figures are more recent I believe.

 

[dannyboys]

Yup guns are already pretty much banned in Germany.

Guns have been restricted there since 1495 in conjunction with their anti-dueling law.

Restrictions on ownership became even more stringent after WW1.

Then in 1938 the NAZI's implemented strict permit requirements first to buy and then to possess guns. This is the precursor to the present law in effect there today.

Germany now has about 400,000 hunters owning guns and another 1 million non-hunting shooters and collectors, for a total of 1.4 million out of a population of 81 million. This is under 2%.

The USA by comparison has about 80 million gun owners each owning an average of 8 guns out of a population of 319 million -- 25% of every living man, woman, and child -- and 40% of households.

Not sure how this Iranian kid got his hands on a gun there. Maybe the debrief will tell us in the coming days. Perhaps he bought it on the street or stole it.

Gun legislation in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyone with a few hundred bucks can buy an illegal gun in Germany or in any other country on the planet.
If you have a couple of thousand you can buy a fucking machine gun.
Peaceful law abiding sane average people own millions of guns.
Very rarely do they use them to commit murder. In those cases if they don't have a gun they use a fucking sledgehammer.