Ayn Rand is right. There is no higher state than

[Fyght]

Nixon is a centrist. Agreed.

 

[Fyght]

I was talking politics, you where talking about fucking frogs. I just assumed you had nothing more to add to the conversation.

You were talking about fucking frog and I said "whut"?

Just let it go dude.

You are the one that is holding onto my balls and probably licking them.

I never made a big deal about it, until you did.

 

[grunt11b]

But that's just it, if JFK where on the Democrat ballot today he would not be electable. The Democrat party has shifted so far left these days Kennedy would be too conservative to be electable today.
Ask yourself this, would you vote JFK today? I know I would.

Are you insane?

By all indications based solely on JFK's words and actions he resembles more of a modern Republican than a Democrat.

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

Could you imagine a modern Democrat saying such things?

Now, again based solely on policy Nixon far more resembles a modern Democrat than a Republican. He furthered the federal government's authority and set the ground work for the modern federal bureaucries that feed off of the tax payers of this country like a blood lusting parasite.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 3, 1970, after Nixon submitted a reorganization plan to Congress and it was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.

United States Environmental Protection Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Exactly what I was saying. For all of the times the Democrat party recently talked good of JFK, most of them would not even elect him today due to his policies and beliefs in the system. It's confusing. Either they know his policies are correct and they have a hidden agenda, or they completely lost their way.

 

[grunt11b]

You were talking about fucking frog and I said "whut"?

Just let it go dude.

You are the one that is holding onto my balls and probably licking them.

I never made a big deal about it, until you did.

And you're like a gnat at a barbeque at this point. I wont stoop to your level so let it be.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's impossible to serve others effectively if one does not first meet his own needs.

In other words, charity begins at home.

So the Kochroaches needs have not yet been met and they need a few more billions of dollars before they might be expected to help others?

 

[Fyght]

Are you insane?

By all indications based solely on JFK's words and actions he resembles more of a modern Republican than a Democrat.

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

Could you imagine a modern Democrat saying such things?

Now, again based solely on policy Nixon far more resembles a modern Democrat than a Republican. He furthered the federal government's authority and set the ground work for the modern federal bureaucries that feed off of the tax payers of this country like a blood lusting parasite.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 3, 1970, after Nixon submitted a reorganization plan to Congress and it was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.

United States Environmental Protection Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Exactly what I was saying. For all of the times the Democrat party recently talked good of JFK, most of them would not even elect him today due to his policies. It's confusing. Either they know his policies are correct and they have a hidden agenda, or they completely lost their way.

C'mon you are gay and would vote for Goldwater anyday.

 

[Sallow]

But that's just it, if JFK where on the Democrat ballot today he would not be electable. The Democrat party has shifted so far left these days Kennedy would be too conservative to be electable today.
Ask yourself this, would you vote JFK today? I know I would.

Are you insane?

By all indications based solely on JFK's words and actions he resembles more of a modern Republican than a Democrat.

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

Could you imagine a modern Democrat saying such things?

Now, again based solely on policy Nixon far more resembles a modern Democrat than a Republican. He furthered the federal government's authority and set the ground work for the modern federal bureaucries that feed off of the tax payers of this country like a blood lusting parasite.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 3, 1970, after Nixon submitted a reorganization plan to Congress and it was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.

United States Environmental Protection Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which in a binary world probably holds true.

But in real life people are much more complex and diverse. Some conversatives hold very liberal views..for example, George W. Bush..was colorblind when it came to people.

Some liberals hold some very conservative views..like Johnson..who thought that all communists were alike and their governments needed to be wiped out through force of arms.

Nature of the beast.

 

[grunt11b]

And you wonder why people "don't debate you"? Not once did grunt11b insult you.

What the fuck is your problem?

Thanks salo, repped up!

I like heated debate with people passionate about their views. Keeps you sharp.

But what I don't like is personal insults. You are pretty good about that.

I try not to be insulting, and if I do it is usually brought to me first. If you ever see me insult someone else first chances are rum and coke are the culprit.

 

[Sallow]

Thanks salo, repped up!

I like heated debate with people passionate about their views. Keeps you sharp.

But what I don't like is personal insults. You are pretty good about that.

I try not to be insulting, and if I do it is usually brought to me first. If you ever see me insult someone else first chances are rum and coke are the culprit.

 

[Bfgrn]

But that's just it, if JFK where on the Democrat ballot today he would not be electable. The Democrat party has shifted so far left these days Kennedy would be too conservative to be electable today.
Ask yourself this, would you vote JFK today? I know I would.

Are you insane?

Nope, JFK was almost as conservative as Reagan. He would in no way be elected today by the Democrat party, he would fit in more as a Republican in this day and age. Why do you ask?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Reagan left the Democratic Party because of John F. Kennedy's liberal ideals. Kennedy is the president who proposed Medicare. Reagan opposed Medicare and called it socialism.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
President John F. Kennedy

 

[grunt11b]

By all indications based solely on JFK's words and actions he resembles more of a modern Republican than a Democrat.

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

Could you imagine a modern Democrat saying such things?

Now, again based solely on policy Nixon far more resembles a modern Democrat than a Republican. He furthered the federal government's authority and set the ground work for the modern federal bureaucries that feed off of the tax payers of this country like a blood lusting parasite.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 3, 1970, after Nixon submitted a reorganization plan to Congress and it was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.

United States Environmental Protection Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Exactly what I was saying. For all of the times the Democrat party recently talked good of JFK, most of them would not even elect him today due to his policies. It's confusing. Either they know his policies are correct and they have a hidden agenda, or they completely lost their way.

C'mon you are gay and would vote for Goldwater anyday.

Wheres the tolerance?

 

[grunt11b]

Are you insane?

Nope, JFK was almost as conservative as Reagan. He would in no way be elected today by the Democrat party, he would fit in more as a Republican in this day and age. Why do you ask?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Reagan left the Democratic Party because of John F. Kennedy's liberal ideals. Kennedy is the president who proposed Medicare. Reagan opposed Medicare and called it socialism.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
President John F. Kennedy

Yes, but it was ultimately Johnson who signed it into law. And it is a socialist program, Reagan was right.

 

[Big Fitz]

Nixon is a centrist. Agreed.

What did he do that could be considered "conservative"? I can name many things he did that brand him awful liberal.

 

[Bfgrn]

But that's just it, if JFK where on the Democrat ballot today he would not be electable. The Democrat party has shifted so far left these days Kennedy would be too conservative to be electable today.
Ask yourself this, would you vote JFK today? I know I would.

Are you insane?

By all indications based solely on JFK's words and actions he resembles more of a modern Republican than a Democrat.

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

Could you imagine a modern Democrat saying such things?

Now, again based solely on policy Nixon far more resembles a modern Democrat than a Republican. He furthered the federal government's authority and set the ground work for the modern federal bureaucries that feed off of the tax payers of this country like a blood lusting parasite.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 3, 1970, after Nixon submitted a reorganization plan to Congress and it was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.

United States Environmental Protection Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

President Obama ran on lower taxes and lowered them.

Could you imagine a Republican president calling out the president of US Steel?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWNhWANkq0Q]President Kennedy calls out the steel companies (1962) - YouTube[/ame]

President John F. Kennedy
State Department Auditorium, Washington, D.C.
Wednesday, April 11, 1962, 3:30 p.m.

Official White House Transcript

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. I have several announcements to make.

Simultaneous and identical actions of United States Steel and other leading steel corporations, increasing steel prices by some 6 dollars a ton, constitute a wholly unjustifiable and irresponsible defiance of the public interest.

In this serious hour in our nation's history, when we are confronted with grave crises in Berlin and Southeast Asia, when we are devoting our energies to economic recovery and stability, when we are asking Reservists to leave their homes and families for months on end, and servicemen to risk their lives -- and four were killed in the last two days in Viet Nam -- and asking union members to hold down their wage requests, at a time when restraint and sacrifice are being asked of every citizen, the American people will find it hard, as I do, to accept a situation in which a tiny handful of steel executives whose pursuit of private power and profit exceeds their sense of public responsibility can show such utter contempt for the interests of 185 million Americans.

...a few gigantic corporations have decided to increase prices in ruthless disregard of their public responsibilities.

Some time ago I asked each American to consider what he would do for his country and I asked the steel companies. In the last 24 hours we had their answer.

 

[Bfgrn]

Nope, JFK was almost as conservative as Reagan. He would in no way be elected today by the Democrat party, he would fit in more as a Republican in this day and age. Why do you ask?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Reagan left the Democratic Party because of John F. Kennedy's liberal ideals. Kennedy is the president who proposed Medicare. Reagan opposed Medicare and called it socialism.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
President John F. Kennedy

Yes, but it was ultimately Johnson who signed it into law. And it is a socialist program, Reagan was right.

It was Kennedy who campaigned on Medicare, and proposed it in the Senate.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gu1HyCeEus]JFK Defending Medicare (1960) - YouTube[/ame]


It was Kennedy who proposed Medicare as President.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiyPejGwQQg]JFK addresses Congress about Medicare - YouTube[/ame]

Medicare is NOT socialism. Medicare is a social insurance program. People PAY into it weekly their whole working lives, it is EARNED!

 

[grunt11b]

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Reagan left the Democratic Party because of John F. Kennedy's liberal ideals. Kennedy is the president who proposed Medicare. Reagan opposed Medicare and called it socialism.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
President John F. Kennedy

Yes, but it was ultimately Johnson who signed it into law. And it is a socialist program, Reagan was right.

It was Kennedy who campaigned on Medicare, and proposed it in the Senate.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gu1HyCeEus]JFK Defending Medicare (1960) - YouTube[/ame]


It was Kennedy who proposed Medicare as President.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiyPejGwQQg]JFK addresses Congress about Medicare - YouTube[/ame]

Medicare is NOT socialism. Medicare is a social insurance program. People PAY into it weekly their whole working lives, it is EARNED!

People receiving it without paying into it makes it a socialist program. How exactly is it earned if someone receives it but never paid into it?

Socialism:

any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system

 

[Google]

Are you insane?

By all indications based solely on JFK's words and actions he resembles more of a modern Republican than a Democrat.

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

Could you imagine a modern Democrat saying such things?

Now, again based solely on policy Nixon far more resembles a modern Democrat than a Republican. He furthered the federal government's authority and set the ground work for the modern federal bureaucries that feed off of the tax payers of this country like a blood lusting parasite.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 3, 1970, after Nixon submitted a reorganization plan to Congress and it was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.

United States Environmental Protection Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which in a binary world probably holds true.

But in real life people are much more complex and diverse. Some conversatives hold very liberal views..for example, George W. Bush..was colorblind when it came to people.

Some liberals hold some very conservative views..like Johnson..who thought that all communists were alike and their governments needed to be wiped out through force of arms.

Nature of the beast.

Jesus Christ, I wouldn't think I would ever hear a liberal say those words. What happened to the whole 'Katrina was a orchestrated attempt to murder black people by the Bush administration'? Also, true colorblindness is a conservative principle, but let's not get too side tracked here.

I was just stating, which apparently we are in agreement, that based solely on policy the modern Democrat party would scorn and run out JFK.

 

[Sallow]

People receiving it without paying into it makes it a socialist program. How exactly is it earned if someone receives it but never paid into it?

Socialism:

any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system

That's not socialism..that's charity.

So what your against is government charity.

 

[Sallow]

By all indications based solely on JFK's words and actions he resembles more of a modern Republican than a Democrat.

"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."

John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference

Could you imagine a modern Democrat saying such things?

Now, again based solely on policy Nixon far more resembles a modern Democrat than a Republican. He furthered the federal government's authority and set the ground work for the modern federal bureaucries that feed off of the tax payers of this country like a blood lusting parasite.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 3, 1970, after Nixon submitted a reorganization plan to Congress and it was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.

United States Environmental Protection Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which in a binary world probably holds true.

But in real life people are much more complex and diverse. Some conversatives hold very liberal views..for example, George W. Bush..was colorblind when it came to people.

Some liberals hold some very conservative views..like Johnson..who thought that all communists were alike and their governments needed to be wiped out through force of arms.

Nature of the beast.

Jesus Christ, I wouldn't think I would ever hear a liberal say those words. What happened to the whole 'Katrina was a orchestrated attempt to murder black people by the Bush administration'? Also, true colorblindness is a conservative principle, but let's not get too side tracked here.

I was just stating, which apparently we are in agreement, that based solely on policy the modern Democrat party would scorn and run out JFK.

When the heck did you ever see me post anything about Bush like that?

I hold that it was grossly incompetent. And never once have I said Bush was evil or unpatriotic. Cheney on the other hand..

 

[Greenbeard]

But that's just it, if JFK where on the Democrat ballot today he would not be electable. The Democrat party has shifted so far left these days Kennedy would be too conservative to be electable today.
Ask yourself this, would you vote JFK today? I know I would.

Are you insane?

By all indications based solely on JFK's words and actions he resembles more of a modern Republican than a Democrat.

Really? JFK, the President who:

• Pushed for fiscal stimulus (including extension of jobless benefits and an increase in the minimum wage)
• Provided federal employees with collective bargaining rights via executive order and expanded the Fair Labor Standards Act
• Increased funding for student loans and school lunches, and piloted the original food stamp program
• Converted ADC to AFDC, expanding welfare benefits to adults
• Came out strongly for urban renewal and a comprehensive plan for supporting affordable housing
• Pushed for diversity in federal hiring and created the Committee on Equal Employment Opportunity
• Pushed the original Medicare bill
• Expanded the Clean Air Act

That's the agenda of the modern Republican?

It was Kennedy who campaigned on Medicare, and proposed it in the Senate.

JFK Defending Medicare (1960) - YouTube


It was Kennedy who proposed Medicare as President.

JFK addresses Congress about Medicare - YouTube

Medicare is NOT socialism. Medicare is a social insurance program. People PAY into it weekly their whole working lives, it is EARNED!

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You mean Kennedy, the guy who was pressing hard for Medicare in the early 1960s, is not ideologically akin--as was suggested in this thread--to Reagan, the guy who was was busy attacking the idea as socialism and the end of American freedom as part of Operation Coffee Cup?

You just blew my mind.