Atomwaffen and the case for pre-emptive gun control

[Tommy Tainant]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

You know Nazi party is the Democrat Socialist Workers Party? Are you finally coming clean that you want to see people like the gays killed for the ends justify the means?

50 dead, Islamic terrorism tie eyed in Orlando gay bar shooting

50 dead, Islamic terrorism tie eyed in Orlando gay bar shooting

Holocaust investigator on parallel between Nazis and ISIS

Holocaust investigator on parallel between Nazis and ISIS

which is why liberals and radical muslims have the same agenda and who doesn't give a shit when people die, it is all about the cause...

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

You know Nazi party is the Democrat Socialist Workers Party? Are you finally coming clean that you want to see people like the gays killed for the ends justify the means?

50 dead, Islamic terrorism tie eyed in Orlando gay bar shooting

50 dead, Islamic terrorism tie eyed in Orlando gay bar shooting

Holocaust investigator on parallel between Nazis and ISIS

Holocaust investigator on parallel between Nazis and ISIS

which is why liberals and radical muslims have the same agenda and who doesn't give a shit when people die, it is all about the cause...

Try and address the OP.

 

[BluesLegend]

It has nothing to do with the Florida attack. Yesterday a group of liberals demanded someone be burned to death just because they spoke and disagreed with liberals about the Florida attack. now that's relevant.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It has nothing to do with the Florida attack. Yesterday a group of liberals demanded someone be burned to death just because they spoke and disagreed with liberals about the Florida attack. now that's relevant.

If you cant see the link then maybe you are on the wrong thread.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

You know Nazi party is the Democrat Socialist Workers Party? Are you finally coming clean that you want to see people like the gays killed for the ends justify the means?

50 dead, Islamic terrorism tie eyed in Orlando gay bar shooting

50 dead, Islamic terrorism tie eyed in Orlando gay bar shooting

Holocaust investigator on parallel between Nazis and ISIS

Holocaust investigator on parallel between Nazis and ISIS

which is why liberals and radical muslims have the same agenda and who doesn't give a shit when people die, it is all about the cause...

I did but you still have your head up your ass, when you pull it out and realize who is doing the killing then I will continue to discuss with you.

 

[Tilly]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

Who are you trying to kid? You absolutely do not believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty for those who don’t share your views.

You have stated that right wing people should have their children removed from them and be locked up in zoos, and you refer to the sending of one single package of baking powder with racist comments as ‘the march of the far right’, not to mention your unconditional support for banning right wing speakers from uni campuses, oh and there’s your gleeful support of violence against anyone - even women - who don’t share your views. You don’t even believe in free speech. Lol.


If they haven’t broken the law - what do YOU suggest happens?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Looks like a bunch of white-trash weekend warriors talking about hypotheticals and potential strategies.

The guy was thinking about becoming a LICENSED gun manufacturer. Nothing wrong with that. Gov will know who he is and what he is doing.

It is really not worth the read.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

Who are you trying to kid? You absolutely do not believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty for those who don’t share your views.

You have stated that right wing people should have their children removed from them and be locked up in zoos, and you refer to the sending one single package of baking powder with racist comments as the ‘march of the right’, not to mention your unconditional support for banning right wing speakers from uni campuses, and your gleeful support of violence against anyone - even women - who don’t share your views. Lol

If they haven’t broken the law what do YOU suggest happens?

I am asking the question. Why dont you deal with the OP rather than your feelings about myself ?

 

[eddiew37]

I think we as a country really need to look long and hard at the 2nd amendment. If we do not start there, we are just running in circles. Let's just be honest, folks...the 2nd Amendment is antiquated. It does not apply to today's society. We need to look at gun/weapons as a privilege and not a right. That's right, l said it. We need to look at guns the same way we look at cars and driving. It's a privilege to drive a car, why should it be any different when it come to guns?

We can talk about mental health til the cows come home, it still doesn't address the whole idea that owning a gun is right. It isn't, not in today's society. Let's keep in mind, when the second amendment was written we were a new country without a standing army. That just isn't the case today. We need to really look into our hearts and really question if we want to consider owning a gun as right...or a privilege. Until we address that, we are just running in circles.

 

[Tilly]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

Who are you trying to kid? You absolutely do not believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty for those who don’t share your views.

You have stated that right wing people should have their children removed from them and be locked up in zoos, and you refer to the sending one single package of baking powder with racist comments as the ‘march of the right’, not to mention your unconditional support for banning right wing speakers from uni campuses, and your gleeful support of violence against anyone - even women - who don’t share your views. Lol

If they haven’t broken the law what do YOU suggest happens?

I am asking the question. Why dont you deal with the OP rather than your feelings about myself ?

You don’t have a monopoly on asking questions here, Tammy.
Your personal posting history on rights is certainly relevant here, and I don’t believe for a moment you are on the fence given your previous highly consistent support of a lack of due process, denial of free speech, and for violence against the right - including women and elderly preachers.
So why don’t you just say what you’d like to be seen done instead of playing games, Tammy?
So, MY question, tell us, what do you think should happen here?
TIA

 

[bripat9643]

I think we as a country really need to look long and hard at the 2nd amendment. If we do not start there, we are just running in circles. Let's just be honest, folks...the 2nd Amendment is antiquated. It does not apply to today's society. We need to look at gun/weapons as a privilege and not a right. That's right, l said it. We need to look at guns the same way we look at cars and driving. It's a privilege to drive a car, why should it be any different when it come to guns?

We can talk about mental health til the cows come home, it still doesn't address the whole idea that owning a gun is right. It isn't, not in today's society. Let's keep in mind, when the second amendment was written we were a new country without a standing army. That just isn't the case today. We need to really look into our hearts and really question if we want to consider owning a gun as right...or a privilege. Until we address that, we are just running in circles.

Hitler and Stalin thought the same thing, you fascist douchebag.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Looks like a bunch of white-trash weekend warriors talking about hypotheticals and potential strategies.

The guy was thinking about becoming a LICENSED gun manufacturer. Nothing wrong with that. Gov will know who he is and what he is doing.

It is really not worth the read.

But the rhetoric is not really different to that spouted by Cruz. Threatening and violent.If you think that action should have been taken against Cruz then surely these lads are worth a look ?

 

[Defiant1]

I think we as a country really need to look long and hard at the 2nd amendment. If we do not start there, we are just running in circles. Let's just be honest, folks...the 2nd Amendment is antiquated. It does not apply to today's society. We need to look at gun/weapons as a privilege and not a right. That's right, l said it. We need to look at guns the same way we look at cars and driving. It's a privilege to drive a car, why should it be any different when it come to guns?

We can talk about mental health til the cows come home, it still doesn't address the whole idea that owning a gun is right. It isn't, not in today's society. Let's keep in mind, when the second amendment was written we were a new country without a standing army. That just isn't the case today. We need to really look into our hearts and really question if we want to consider owning a gun as right...or a privilege. Until we address that, we are just running in circles.

You don't believe in tyrannical governments?

 

[BluesLegend]

It has nothing to do with the Florida attack. Yesterday a group of liberals demanded someone be burned to death just because they spoke and disagreed with liberals about the Florida attack. now that's relevant.

If you cant see the link then maybe you are on the wrong thread.

I read your stupid link fool. Look gun grabber you are not fooling anyone

 

[Tilly]

Looks like a bunch of white-trash weekend warriors talking about hypotheticals and potential strategies.

The guy was thinking about becoming a LICENSED gun manufacturer. Nothing wrong with that. Gov will know who he is and what he is doing.

It is really not worth the read.

But the rhetoric is not really different to that spouted by Cruz. Threatening and violent.If you think that action should have been taken against Cruz then surely these lads are worth a look ?

What does ‘worth a look’ mean exactly, Tammy?

 

[DJT for Life]

I think we as a country really need to look long and hard at the 2nd amendment. If we do not start there, we are just running in circles. Let's just be honest, folks...the 2nd Amendment is antiquated. It does not apply to today's society. We need to look at gun/weapons as a privilege and not a right. That's right, l said it. We need to look at guns the same way we look at cars and driving. It's a privilege to drive a car, why should it be any different when it come to guns?

We can talk about mental health til the cows come home, it still doesn't address the whole idea that owning a gun is right. It isn't, not in today's society. Let's keep in mind, when the second amendment was written we were a new country without a standing army. That just isn't the case today. We need to really look into our hearts and really question if we want to consider owning a gun as right...or a privilege. Until we address that, we are just running in circles.

Go find 35 states to hold a Constitutional Convention. Then make your
case and hope 38 states go along with you. If not, forget it.

 

[xyz]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

It sounds like they're very looney if they revere Hitler and Charles Manson.

Ever read about what Charles Manson thought about the Beatles' White Album? It's the craziest nonsense ever.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

It sounds like they're very looney if they revere Hitler and Charles Manson.

Ever read about what Charles Manson thought about the Beatles' White Album? It's the craziest nonsense ever.

Number 9, Number 9, Number 9.........

 

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Neo-Nazi 'Atomwaffen' group celebrates member for allegedly murdering gay student

Its a long read but I wondered what peoples thoughts were in light of the Florida slaughter.

There has been much comment on the behaviour of Cruz ,his threats, his social media output and the fact that nothing was done by the authorities. In retrospect Cruz made no secret of his inclinations and the authorities have been castigated for not locking him up or even taking his guns off him.

Of course that may be easier said than done, we are all innocent until proven guilty after all. But there must be a solution of some sort when these characters come across the radar of the police.

Which brings me to the subject of "Atomwaffen".

Atomwaffen are a nazi organisation with a history of violence and also a history of threats to America.


A 29-year-old resident of Las Vegas, Hubsky holds both a concealed weapons permit and a security guard license, and is a big fan of high-powered military-style firearms. In one post he discussed a favorite weapon: a Czech-made rifle called a CZ Scorpion that, Hubsky said, he’d converted to fully automatic and equipped with a flash suppressor.

In another message, Hubsky wrote that he was planning on getting an “FFL” — federal firearms license — so he could “manufacture” guns.

“I can literally become our armory in the event we need it,” Hubsky bragged.

And there is more.

Hubsky also discussed blowing up natural gas lines.

“You put a home-made thermite grenade on those,” he wrote. While other types of infrastructure — like water lines – figured in Hubsky’s discussions, hitting the power grid was, in his view, the most devastating and effective attack possible. Destroying electricity infrastructure, Hubsky wrote, “would by default take out the internet because it relies on power to operate.”

And even more.

“So in any war, you need to cut off your enemy’s ability to shoot, move and communicate,” Hubsky wrote in a September 2017 message posted in a discussion on white nationalism that occurred in a non-Atomwaffen chat room. “You would want to target things like: Substations, water filtration plants, etc.” ProPublica has obtained Hubsky’s statements from that online conversation.

There may only be 100 of these loons, organised into cells across the country. They are angry,armed and have an ideology that threatens your way of life.

So my question is this.

If action should have been taken against Cruz should action be taken against Atomwaffen and similar groups ?
Dont get partisan about this, its a principle we are talking about, and one that could be applied to groups of any political persuasion.

I am yet to be persuaded on the issue.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without these people. On the other hand "innocent till proven guilty" protects us from the excesses of the State.

What do you think ?

Atomwaffen

How do you know that the authorities haven't spoken or had contact with Hubsky? I think he is a nut however you can't lock people up for their thoughts can you? They seem to be aware of this group. There are several domestic terror groups that are out there. Last year we had groups organizing riots after the Presidential election and the government didn't seem at all interested in their violence, yet we now want to go after groups for thoughts because we find them offensive?

I'm not comfortable with the idea of the thought police, it could lead us down a dark road of abuse of power.