Atheists have no Constitutional Rights

[hortysir]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

 

[midcan5]

Constitutional rights come from citizenship, not the preamble. The Constitution makes no mention of God for good reason.

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"Core morality tells us that people have a right to what they earn by their own efforts freely exercised. It is this part of core morality that Ayn Rand objectivists, libertarians, and other right wingers tap into when they insist that taxation is slavery... The trouble with such arguments is that nothing is earned, nothing is deserved. Even if there really were moral rights to the fruit of our freely exercised abilities and talents, these talents and abilities are never freely acquired or exercised. Just as your innate and acquired intelligence and abilities are unearned, so also are your ambitions, along with the discipline, the willingness to train, and other traits that have to be combined with your talents and abilities to produce anything worthwhile at all.... We don't earn our inborn (excuse the expression "God given") talents and abilities. We had nothing to do with whether these traits were conferred on us or not. Similarly, we didn't earn the acquired character traits needed to convert these talents into achievements. They, too, were the result of deterministic processes (genetic and cultural) that were set in motion long before we were born. That is what excludes the possibility that we earned or deserve them. We were just lucky to have the combination of hardwired abilities and learned ambitions that resulted in the world beating a path to our door....No one ever earned or deserved the traits that resulted in the inequalities we enjoy - greater income and wealth, better health and longer life, admiration and social distinction, comfort, and leisure. Therefore, no one, including us, has a moral right to those inequalities. Core morality may permit unearned inequalities, but it is certainly not going to require them without some further moral reason to do so." Alex Rosenberg 'The Atheist's Guide to Reality'

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Your premise is utterly ridiculous BUT ...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights."

Where does it say a "god" created anything or any one?

That you believe a god created you is your business but its an opinion. And we all know what they about opinions.



Why do "chrstians" hate the Constitution?

 

[Valerie]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

we were all created by something whatever we conceive that source of life to be...

 

[Statistikhengst]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

Yesirree, step right on down the path - to fascism.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

First joke ever made into a country the 'all men are created equal' bit. All white men they meant. Can't help but notice white women were left out until fairly recently and their struggle continues.

 

[Ubiquitor]

This is possibly the worst troll I have ever seen.

 

[Pogo]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

Simple. "Atheists" aren't the ones speaking in the statement; "We" are. It doesn't matter whether atheists believe in a creator or the rights bestowed by it -- "we" already gave it to them. It's the entity making the statement (first person) that refers to a creator, not the third person.

"All men are created equal" ('men' being general humanity) flatly declares "all"; it doesn't specify "all who are theists". For your theory to stand up that's what it would have to say. It's all about who's making the statement. Simple grammar m'boy.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

Simple. "Atheists" aren't the ones speaking in the statement; "We" are. It doesn't matter whether atheists believe in a creator or the rights bestowed by it -- "we" already gave it to them.

You're right.

It does not say we have to believe in a creator. It doesn't say those "inalienable rights" are limited only to believers.

 

[hortysir]

Your premise is utterly ridiculous BUT ...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights."

Where does it say a "god" created anything or any one?

That you believe a god created you is your business but its an opinion. And we all know what they about opinions.



Why do "chrstians" hate the Constitution?

So you acknowledge a Creator?

 

[hortysir]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

Simple. "Atheists" aren't the ones speaking in the statement; "We" are. It doesn't matter whether atheists believe in a creator or the rights bestowed by it -- "we" already gave it to them. It's the entity making the statement (first person) that refers to a creator, not the third person.

"All men are created equal" ('men' being general humanity) flatly declares "all"; it doesn't specify "all who are theists". For your theory to stand up that's what it would have to say. It's all about who's making the statement. Simple grammar m'boy.

I understand that "we" are saying all are created equally.
My point is, if someone claims to not be a product of a Creator how can they claim their rights?

 

[bodecea]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

You are quoting the Declaration of Independence, you know.

 

[bodecea]

Your premise is utterly ridiculous BUT ...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights."

Where does it say a "god" created anything or any one?

That you believe a god created you is your business but its an opinion. And we all know what they about opinions.



Why do "chrstians" hate the Constitution?

So you acknowledge a Creator?

Our parents.......but you are quoting from the Declaration of Independence, you know.

 

[Pogo]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

Simple. "Atheists" aren't the ones speaking in the statement; "We" are. It doesn't matter whether atheists believe in a creator or the rights bestowed by it -- "we" already gave it to them. It's the entity making the statement (first person) that refers to a creator, not the third person.

"All men are created equal" ('men' being general humanity) flatly declares "all"; it doesn't specify "all who are theists". For your theory to stand up that's what it would have to say. It's all about who's making the statement. Simple grammar m'boy.

I understand that "we" are saying all are created equally.
My point is, if someone claims to not be a product of a Creator how can they claim their rights?

It's irrelevant. They don't need "claiming" -- they're already there.

If I give you a bicycle and you don't ride bicycles and won't use it, that doesn't change the fact that you now own a bicycle.

 

[Moonglow]

Your premise is utterly ridiculous BUT ...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights."

Where does it say a "god" created anything or any one?

That you believe a god created you is your business but its an opinion. And we all know what they about opinions.



Why do "chrstians" hate the Constitution?

So you acknowledge a Creator?

My Ma and Pa...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

You are quoting the Declaration of Independence, you know.

I meant to point that out to him earlier but I doubt he'll realize why that's germane.

 

[Nosmo King]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

Declaration of Independence, not the constitution you're quoting from there, you historical scholar you!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Your premise is utterly ridiculous BUT ...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights."

Where does it say a "god" created anything or any one?

That you believe a god created you is your business but its an opinion. And we all know what they about opinions.



Why do "chrstians" hate the Constitution?

So you acknowledge a Creator?

Absolutely.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Nor can they expect equal treatment.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are CREATED equal and are endowed by their CREATOR certain inalienable rights.

Since atheists don't acknowledge the presence of a Creator, how can you presume to claim these rights?

Society says this, not individuals. Individuals are recognized as full citizenship regardless of beliefs

 

[Nosmo King]

I was not aware that the United States of America had established a religion or encourages any religious practices.