At least 4 folks dead, 6 injured in shooting at Capital Gazette newspaper in Maryland

[impuretrash]

And yet...as more and more Americans own and actually carry guns.....our crime rates have gone down, not up

Um, no, we've been at about 30K gun deaths for decades.. nice try, though.

Our crime rates are obscene compared to other industrialized countries.. the cost of your fetish is still too high.

I'd lay the blame for high crime rates on the degenerate culture the left has promoted. Used to not be unusual to own a rifle at the age of 15 and we didn't have a crime epidemic back then.

 

[JoeB131]

I'd lay the blame for high crime rates on the degenerate culture the left has promoted. Used to not be unusual to own a rifle at the age of 15 and we didn't have a crime epidemic back then.

We also didn't have more guns than people and gun nuts arming themselves like the Zombie Apocalypse was about to break out.

 

[WTP]

Maxine Waters has blood on her hands!

At Least 6 Injured In Shooting At Capital Gazette

Gosh, and to think, Trump beat her to the punch with telling the country that the media was the enemy of the state.

 

[impuretrash]

I'd lay the blame for high crime rates on the degenerate culture the left has promoted. Used to not be unusual to own a rifle at the age of 15 and we didn't have a crime epidemic back then.

We also didn't have more guns than people and gun nuts arming themselves like the Zombie Apocalypse was about to break out.

If so-called "gun nuts" which is just a lefty euphemism for rural whites were the ones committing the majority of violent crimes in this country then you'd have made a good point. But the fact of the matter is most gun violence is perpetrated by black people on other black people, but we're not supposed to notice that...

 

[beagle9]

I'd lay the blame for high crime rates on the degenerate culture the left has promoted. Used to not be unusual to own a rifle at the age of 15 and we didn't have a crime epidemic back then.

We also didn't have more guns than people and gun nuts arming themselves like the Zombie Apocalypse was about to break out.

Where you been ? The leftist zombie apocalypse has been going on for years now. And yep the response was guns, guns, guns, and more guns in the hands of good people in defense of bad things that came as a result of it all.

When the left became sympathetic to killers and criminals, the people had to defend themselves against early release programs that put criminals back out on the streets. How many radical activist judges and their release programs had ended in murder of the innocent over the years ? Like I said, the people had to arm up in defense of what the LEFTIST were releasing back into the society.

Then the left wonders why the arms race happened.???? .. Good grief.

Oh and don't forget the tragic open borders stories.

 

[2aguy]

I'd lay the blame for high crime rates on the degenerate culture the left has promoted. Used to not be unusual to own a rifle at the age of 15 and we didn't have a crime epidemic back then.

We also didn't have more guns than people and gun nuts arming themselves like the Zombie Apocalypse was about to break out.

And yet...again... as more Americans not only own guns, but actually carry them for self defense.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

I'd lay the blame for high crime rates on the degenerate culture the left has promoted. Used to not be unusual to own a rifle at the age of 15 and we didn't have a crime epidemic back then.

We also didn't have more guns than people and gun nuts arming themselves like the Zombie Apocalypse was about to break out.

And yet, Republicans own more guns, but shoot fewer people...democrats have fewer guns and do almost all of the murder....

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

 

[JoeB131]

If so-called "gun nuts" which is just a lefty euphemism for rural whites were the ones committing the majority of violent crimes in this country then you'd have made a good point. But the fact of the matter is most gun violence is perpetrated by black people on other black people, but we're not supposed to notice that...

Actually, the vast majority of gun violence is white people offing themselves or family members.

 

[JoeB131]

And yet, Republicans own more guns, but shoot fewer people...democrats have fewer guns and do almost all of the murder....

Again, putting political affiliations to people who probably have no interest in politics is a little silly. But then I realize who I was talking to.

 

[hadit]

I'd lay the blame for high crime rates on the degenerate culture the left has promoted. Used to not be unusual to own a rifle at the age of 15 and we didn't have a crime epidemic back then.

We also didn't have more guns than people and gun nuts arming themselves like the Zombie Apocalypse was about to break out.

"Gun nuts arming themselves" are not doing the shootings.

 

[2aguy]

If so-called "gun nuts" which is just a lefty euphemism for rural whites were the ones committing the majority of violent crimes in this country then you'd have made a good point. But the fact of the matter is most gun violence is perpetrated by black people on other black people, but we're not supposed to notice that...

Actually, the vast majority of gun violence is white people offing themselves or family members.

No....70-80% of the victims of gun murder are criminals.... and the majority of gun murders happen in democrat controlled voting districts.

 

[JoeB131]

"Gun nuts arming themselves" are not doing the shootings.

You mean other than Lanza, Holmes, Cruz, Cho....

 

[JoeB131]

No....70-80% of the victims of gun murder are criminals..

Nope. Most are domestic violence.

 

[hadit]

"Gun nuts arming themselves" are not doing the shootings.

You mean other than Lanza, Holmes, Cruz, Cho....

Those are just plain nuts to whom guns were just a means to an end. They weren't gun enthusiasts who like having guns around and using them.

 

[JoeB131]

Those are just plain nuts to whom guns were just a means to an end. They weren't gun enthusiasts who like having guns around and using them.

Ah, the "No True Scotsman" Fallacy... that one never gets old.

So when you collect guns, you are an enthusiast.

When you collect guns and then use them to shoot up a school or a theater, you are a "nut".

Got it.

 

[2aguy]

No....70-80% of the victims of gun murder are criminals..

Nope. Most are domestic violence.

You don't know what you are talking about, you twit.

Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing


Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.


(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)


Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)



Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)

 

[2aguy]

No....70-80% of the victims of gun murder are criminals..

Nope. Most are domestic violence.

and here, just Chicago...

Gang Killers In Chicago Used Christmas Gatherings To Target Their Victims

Gang killers, knowing their targets would be home for Christmas, launched a bloody weekend of shootings in Chicago that left 11 dead and another 37 wounded.

"We now know that the majority of these shootings and homicides were targeted attacks by gangs against potential rivals who were at holiday gatherings. This was followed by several acts of retaliatory gun violence," police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement Monday.

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The violence primarily occurred in areas with historical gang conflicts on the South and West Side of Chicago."


And this is what we keep telling you anti gunners and you refuse to believe it....

"Ninety percent of those fatally wounded had gang affiliations, criminal histories and were pre-identified by the department's strategic subject algorithm as being a potential suspect or victim of gun violence," Guglielmi said.
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Chicago Killers' Arrest Records Revealed - The Truth About Guns

The University of Chicago’s Crime Lab released its report Gun Violence in Chicago 2016. The researchers delved into data provided by the Windy City’s PD, winkling out actionable stats. Turns out both shooters and shootees were known to the police. Who saw that one coming? And the survey SAID . . .

Around 80 percent of Chicago’s homicide victims in 2015 and 2016 had at least one prior arrest, almost 40 percent had a prior violent crime arrest, and almost 30 percent had a prior gun arrest.

Nearly 40 percent of victims had more than 10 prior arrests, while the share with more than 20 prior arrests rose from 14 to 18 percent in 2016.

The share of victims with a current or prior gang affiliation as recorded by CPD was about the same in both years (53 and 54 percent).
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Chicago police boss calls weekend gun violence 'completely unacceptable'

At an unrelated news conference Monday on the city's Southwest Side, Johnson brought up the Mother's Day weekend violence himself in his prepared remarks. He focused his remarks on how much of the bloodshed is being driven by about 1,300 individuals on the Police Department's "strategic subject list" — those believed to be most prone to violence as a victim or offender.

About 78 percent of the homicide victims and about 84 percent of the nonfatal shooting victims this weekend were on the list, he said.

 

[2aguy]

Those are just plain nuts to whom guns were just a means to an end. They weren't gun enthusiasts who like having guns around and using them.

Ah, the "No True Scotsman" Fallacy... that one never gets old.

So when you collect guns, you are an enthusiast.

When you collect guns and then use them to shoot up a school or a theater, you are a "nut".

Got it.

There are 600 million guns in private hands, and over 17 million Americans carry guns legally for self defense.....

The number of people who commit mass public shootings each year......?

This many....each year... out of 320 million people......

You don't know what you are talking about...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

 

[hadit]

Those are just plain nuts to whom guns were just a means to an end. They weren't gun enthusiasts who like having guns around and using them.

Ah, the "No True Scotsman" Fallacy... that one never gets old.

So when you collect guns, you are an enthusiast.

When you collect guns and then use them to shoot up a school or a theater, you are a "nut".

Got it.

No, if you shoot up a school or a theater, you're just plain nuts and you would try to kill people with something else. It's not like you're a model citizen if we take the guns away.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't know what you are talking about, you twit.

You can put up all the NRA spooge you want, guy...

the reality is, most people are murdered by people they know.