Assange: Clinton should resign over alleged spying

[Two Thumbs]

Okay, I'm starting to think this guy is funded by terrorists.

HAHA

Maybe, but I doubt it.

He's funded by that need to have fame. He could care less about the consequinces of his actions as long as he gets his face on TV. [imo]

I still have problems with the idea that a PFC was able to gain access to this much intel. It doesn't add up.

These leaks are from a new source.

But all it takes is a high enough clearance and "the need to know". You may be shocked to learn how very low ranking enlisted can know as much, if not more, than thier commanders. Someone has to do the work, and that is what enlisted do.

 

[Jarhead]

Fox and Friends were taking this dimwit wikileaks puke's side against our own government?

No...

Gibbs was downplaying the affectsd of the leak and trying to explain how America can not be brought down by a guy with a 35 dollar web address....

Fox crew wanted to make it like it was the end of the world.

But seventy-five $35 web sites which share hip hop music illegally are worth being seized by the US government?

That is breaking federal law...so yes.

Printing documents that you did not obtain illegally, even if they were obtained illegally by anohter party, is not illegal.

The bogus soldier is the criminal.

Assange is just an asshole for personal political reasons.

Lets not foreget....Harry Reid told the world the war was lost without reason to say so.....it was not illegal...it was him being an asshole for political reasons.

 

[Jarhead]

Fox and Friends were taking this dimwit wikileaks puke's side against our own government?

No...

Gibbs was downplaying the affectsd of the leak and trying to explain how America can not be brought down by a guy with a 35 dollar web address....

Fox crew wanted to make it like it was the end of the world.

Okay...just there normal bullshit then, that is a relief.

No different than Maddow and her attitude toward republican interviewees.

 

[Ravi]

No...

Gibbs was downplaying the affectsd of the leak and trying to explain how America can not be brought down by a guy with a 35 dollar web address....

Fox crew wanted to make it like it was the end of the world.

Okay...just there normal bullshit then, that is a relief.

No different than Maddow and her attitude toward republican interviewees.

Could be, I've never seen her show.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Hillary- did nothing wrong
Assange-insignificant. We are America...we will survive this as well
Gibbs on Fox ands Friends today- Artriculate and to the point. Not a fan of his, but today he told us the way it is. The Fox and Friuends crew acted like asses as they attacked him for his answers.

US- Best not to pursue this. We, America allowed it to happen. We need to be more careful. But on the same note, we should never feel it appropriate to attack a form of media for reporting the truth...even if we dont like it.

Next time...take more care tokeep classified docs...CLASSIFIED.

I kind of agree.... but..... for the record....

Manning (I will not give him a rank because he is a disgrace to his uniform) abused his security clearance to download the information. Are you saying that we should not trust our military - who are security cleared to the appropriate level for that information? WTF? It was not 'America's' fault.... it was one traitorous bastard within the military. He should face charges for treason - unfortunately that's highly unlikely. But he can be charged with espionage and he should go to prison for life. We should go after Assange, for espionage and put him in prison for life. And, just for the crack of it, we should also go after the NYT for their part. Send the editor to prison for life to - same charge.

Then, maybe, other people will realize that we do not take our national security as something to be fucked with.

I agree that he is not worthy of any rank and thus it should not be used in discussion.
But one with his rank should not have such high security clearance.

We go after Assange, we open the door to censoring all media.

Personal responsibility Cali Gal.

This was our mistake.

You would truly be supprised what me, one other Nav tech, 4 quarter masters and the CO?XO knew that the other officers and crew did not.

It's not just the traitors fault, it's the fault of the system, and his suppervisors. Not all Americans fualt, that's a little over the top.

Assange is guilty of espionage. If we don't go after him, it's the green light for any outlet to put out any secret.

It's not censorship when you are stopping a crime.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Assange: Clinton should resign over alleged spying - U.S. news - WikiLeaks in Security - msnbc.com
msnbc.com
updated 1 hour 1 minute ago 2010-12-01T18:28:47

The founder of WikiLeaks, the organization that has published tens of thousands of confidential American diplomatic cables, says U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton should resign if she ordered diplomats to spy.

"She should resign if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations, in violation of the international covenants to which the U.S. has signed up," Julian Assange told Time Magazine in an interview.

That takes some nerve for a wanted man to say.

'Ridiculous and absurd'
The White House called Assange's statements on Clinton "ridiculous and absurd," according to CNN.

"I'm not entirely sure why we care about the opinion of one guy with one website,” White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said. "Our foreign policy and the interests of this country are far stronger than his one website."

I'm not a big fan of Gibbs, but Rock on big man! Tell that screwball he's under arrest!

Why should she resign? This is nothing new, everybody spies on one another.

 

[Oscar Wao]

If you're going to go after Assange, then you are going to have to go after the NYT, the Guardian UK, Der Spiegel, et al. as well.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Hillary- did nothing wrong
Assange-insignificant. We are America...we will survive this as well
Gibbs on Fox ands Friends today- Artriculate and to the point. Not a fan of his, but today he told us the way it is. The Fox and Friuends crew acted like asses as they attacked him for his answers.

US- Best not to pursue this. We, America allowed it to happen. We need to be more careful. But on the same note, we should never feel it appropriate to attack a form of media for reporting the truth...even if we dont like it.

Next time...take more care tokeep classified docs...CLASSIFIED.

I kind of agree.... but..... for the record....

Manning (I will not give him a rank because he is a disgrace to his uniform) abused his security clearance to download the information. Are you saying that we should not trust our military - who are security cleared to the appropriate level for that information? WTF? It was not 'America's' fault.... it was one traitorous bastard within the military. He should face charges for treason - unfortunately that's highly unlikely. But he can be charged with espionage and he should go to prison for life. We should go after Assange, for espionage and put him in prison for life. And, just for the crack of it, we should also go after the NYT for their part. Send the editor to prison for life to - same charge.

Then, maybe, other people will realize that we do not take our national security as something to be fucked with.

I disagree about the press...freedom of the press and all that.

But I'm curious, do you think the owners of Amazon should also go to prison for life? After all, they were hosting this dweebs uploads.

[I'm jumping CG here]

That's a good question. They could share some of the responsiblity if it is found they understood what was going on. If not, then not.

 

[antagon]

does publishing leaked documents constitute espionage?

 

[Revere]

No...

Gibbs was downplaying the affectsd of the leak and trying to explain how America can not be brought down by a guy with a 35 dollar web address....

Fox crew wanted to make it like it was the end of the world.

But seventy-five $35 web sites which share hip hop music illegally are worth being seized by the US government?

That is breaking federal law...so yes.

Printing documents that you did not obtain illegally, even if they were obtained illegally by anohter party, is not illegal.

The bogus soldier is the criminal.

Assange is just an asshole for personal political reasons.

Lets not foreget....Harry Reid told the world the war was lost without reason to say so.....it was not illegal...it was him being an asshole for political reasons.

Bullshit. Stolen property does not become "not stolen" merely if you hand it off to someone else.

 

[Two Thumbs]

If you're going to go after Manning, then you are going to have to go after the NYT, the Guardian UK, Der Spiegel, et al. as well.

Did you mean Assange?

B/c Manning is the soldier that stole the info and sold it. The military has him.

 

[Oscar Wao]

Yes, I meant Assange!

Bad slip there...thanks for the correction.

 

[Jarhead]

But seventy-five $35 web sites which share hip hop music illegally are worth being seized by the US government?

That is breaking federal law...so yes.

Printing documents that you did not obtain illegally, even if they were obtained illegally by anohter party, is not illegal.

The bogus soldier is the criminal.

Assange is just an asshole for personal political reasons.

Lets not foreget....Harry Reid told the world the war was lost without reason to say so.....it was not illegal...it was him being an asshole for political reasons.

Bullshit. Stolen property does not become "not stolen" merely if you hand it off to someone else.

No...but the person you hand it off to is not deemed as the theif.

 

[Two Thumbs]

does publishing leaked documents constitute espionage?

Yes.

Espionage is a broad brush law, and Asange falls into it.

 

[Revere]

That is breaking federal law...so yes.

Printing documents that you did not obtain illegally, even if they were obtained illegally by anohter party, is not illegal.

The bogus soldier is the criminal.

Assange is just an asshole for personal political reasons.

Lets not foreget....Harry Reid told the world the war was lost without reason to say so.....it was not illegal...it was him being an asshole for political reasons.

Bullshit. Stolen property does not become "not stolen" merely if you hand it off to someone else.

No...but the person you hand it off to is not deemed as the theif.

There are laws against possession of stolen property.

 

[antagon]

But seventy-five $35 web sites which share hip hop music illegally are worth being seized by the US government?

That is breaking federal law...so yes.

Printing documents that you did not obtain illegally, even if they were obtained illegally by anohter party, is not illegal.

The bogus soldier is the criminal.

Assange is just an asshole for personal political reasons.

Lets not foreget....Harry Reid told the world the war was lost without reason to say so.....it was not illegal...it was him being an asshole for political reasons.

Bullshit. Stolen property does not become "not stolen" merely if you hand it off to someone else.

is this a matter of wikileaks taking a facillitator position with the material, rather than a direct conspirator? do they have freedom of the press in such a matter? if so, would that freedom protect them from endictments of espionage?

 

[Jarhead]

does publishing leaked documents constitute espionage?

Yes.

Espionage is a broad brush law, and Asange falls into it.

If it can be proven that his motvation was to harm the US

 

[Jarhead]

That is breaking federal law...so yes.

Printing documents that you did not obtain illegally, even if they were obtained illegally by anohter party, is not illegal.

The bogus soldier is the criminal.

Assange is just an asshole for personal political reasons.

Lets not foreget....Harry Reid told the world the war was lost without reason to say so.....it was not illegal...it was him being an asshole for political reasons.

Bullshit. Stolen property does not become "not stolen" merely if you hand it off to someone else.

is this a matter of wikileaks taking a facillitator position with the material, rather than a direct conspirator? do they have freedom of the press in such a matter? if so, would that freedom protect them from endictments of espionage?

Exactly the dilemma we will be faced with.

We need to be careful here.

It may change the entire freedom of speech thing....it is not so cut and dry.

Next, there will be reason to shut down Glen Beck as some will claim his approach can be damaging to the US.

And then maybe during a republican administration Rachel Maddow is next?

 

[Revere]

That is breaking federal law...so yes.

Printing documents that you did not obtain illegally, even if they were obtained illegally by anohter party, is not illegal.

The bogus soldier is the criminal.

Assange is just an asshole for personal political reasons.

Lets not foreget....Harry Reid told the world the war was lost without reason to say so.....it was not illegal...it was him being an asshole for political reasons.

Bullshit. Stolen property does not become "not stolen" merely if you hand it off to someone else.

is this a matter of wikileaks taking a facillitator position with the material, rather than a direct conspirator? do they have freedom of the press in such a matter? if so, would that freedom protect them from endictments of espionage?

Who cares? He's leaked massive amounts of information for the third time in several months, each time telling you what he was going to leak and when.

Save the navel contemplation for when he's in custody.

 

[antagon]

does publishing leaked documents constitute espionage?

Yes.

Espionage is a broad brush law, and Asange falls into it.

quite true a little research has revealed...

Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes,
transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person,
or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or
interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign
government to the detriment of the United States any classified
information

... will have their ass hunted down and subject to a firing squad (paraphrased)

from...

U.S.C PART I - CRIMES - CHAPTER 37 - ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP Sec. 798. Disclosure of classified information