Armed SWAT team violently storms family’s home, kidnaps three children for not being vaccinated

DR made wild guess.....
Based on what medical degree or experience possessed by you? based on what reading of the charts, or shred of evidence? Go peddle your nonsense to someone else.
Like I said Fever is indicative of how many medical problems
Fever: Causes, Symptoms and Diagnosis Take your pick ….your guess as good as his
So it would be best to go to the hospital to have tests done. Some of those conditions you just linked are very serious.

Wrong.
A fever is completely normal for 99% of the times, when it just means your body is fighting off a cold, flu, etc.
There is nothing a hospital can do for 99% of the things that can causes fever.
And since it takes a day or two to get lab results back anyway, there is no reason to simply not wait and see if it the fever breaks normally, as it does 99% of the time.
None of the conditions warrant going to a hospital right away, and they can all wait 24 hours to see, first.
 
Not to put too fine a point on it, but there is no such thing as a "police medic".
Can't actually speak to the point, eh?
KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:
All an EMT would do is take him to the hospital for tests to determine the cause of the high fever.

And all the hospital would do is say to wait 24 hours to see if the fever breaks on its own, because it is nearly impossible to determine the cause of a high fever unless there is some localized pain also associated, like a swollen appendix.
 
Can't actually speak to the point, eh?
KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

Can't actually speak to the point, eh?
KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.
The Doctor notified DCS and they went to court to get the authorization to get the children. They had a warrant and the parents would not let them in.

The doctor has no authority to testify as to the need for a warrant.
He essentially lied.
The judge violated the law by issuing one.
The police and DCS were committing a crime, should have known better, and need to be prosecuted for their crimes.
 
"A family in Arizona is having to endure the wrath of the medical police state after a doctor decided to call the Department of Child Safety (DCS) on them for not vaccinating their children – resulting in an armed SWAT team raiding the family’s home and violently seizing their three children, all of whom were placed in temporary foster homes.

It all started when one of the children, a two-year-old, developed a fever that exceeded 100 degrees Fahrenheit, prompting the child’s mother to take him to see the doctor in question. Because the child hadn’t been vaccinated, the doctor assumed out of nowhere that he probably had meningitis and needed to be taken to the emergency room right away.

While the mother initially agreed to the doctor’s extreme and unusual recommendation, her child’s fever broke not long after leaving the doctor’s office, having stated that he was “laughing and playing with his siblings” like normal. After taking the boy’s temperature and seeing that it was now normal, the mother called the doctor and said she would no longer be taking him to the emergency room, to which the doctor responded that she should still go anyway."


Armed SWAT team violently storms family's home, kidnaps three children for not being vaccinated

Good lord.
Natural news earns a rating of "quackery" from media bias fact checkers so I think you're gonna need another source.
Natural News - Media Bias/Fact Check

From another source.

Mom Ignores Doctor When Her Sick 2-Year-Old Starts Feeling Better, Child Services Send a SWAT Team
I believe that was the initial story. The story with the police version says the fever was 105 or over when they entered the filthy house.

There is no police version.
The doctor never saw the child and never took its temperature.
There was never any knowledge by the police as to what was happening at all.
The police had nothing at all to go on, so then were acting totally contrary to law.

You could legally get a judge to order an EMT to take the child's temperature, but not to remove the child.
That requires taking custody, and that authority the judge did not have, without any actual evidence.
 
KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic. There is no such thing as a "police medic".


Not sure why it matters, but there is such as thing as a police medic, in that police hire specially trained med techs for things like drawing DUI blood samples.
A public nurse could have been used instead.
But the point is that the police did not just check the child's temperature, but instead illegally took custody of the child, with any legal authority to do so.
 
Kids spike fevers all the time. If you take your kid to the hospital and he spikes a fever, the hospital will send him home when it breaks.
And they don't give vaccinations when a child is spiking a fever.

People are going to start shooting the cops who grab kids. They need to knock it off.
 
I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic.

Wrong again, cupcake. Go back and READ my post. I said send a police medic or SOMETHING. You keep missing the point that MY point was that there was a lot better options available than sending a SWAT team. When I was a kid, you could call a doctor, get him out of bed and come to your house in the middle of the night. The problem with the world today is that we have a hundred million ultra-narrow specialists now and 500 million rules and regulations to where no one can do anything because their hands are all tied. We have allowed lawyers and bureaucracies to replace common sense. Regulations no longer serve man, man is now made to serve them.

He isn't missing your point. He's avoiding it. Because there is no sane argument for what is going on, and the people who cackle and rub their hands together at the thought of government goons breaking down the doors of homes where there are children, seizing the children, shooting the dog, separating the kids, pumping them full of drugs...

have got a problem.

And eventually, people will realize that, and there will be consequences.
 
KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

KG, can't you have a civil discussion? Engage, that the point here.

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic. There is no such thing as a "police medic".
EMT Emergecy Medical Technician
 
I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic.

Wrong again, cupcake. Go back and READ my post. I said send a police medic or SOMETHING. You keep missing the point that MY point was that there was a lot better options available than sending a SWAT team. When I was a kid, you could call a doctor, get him out of bed and come to your house in the middle of the night. The problem with the world today is that we have a hundred million ultra-narrow specialists now and 500 million rules and regulations to where no one can do anything because their hands are all tied. We have allowed lawyers and bureaucracies to replace common sense. Regulations no longer serve man, man is now made to serve them.
The future did not mean that the doctor coming to your house any longer.
 
That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic.

Wrong again, cupcake. Go back and READ my post. I said send a police medic or SOMETHING. You keep missing the point that MY point was that there was a lot better options available than sending a SWAT team. When I was a kid, you could call a doctor, get him out of bed and come to your house in the middle of the night. The problem with the world today is that we have a hundred million ultra-narrow specialists now and 500 million rules and regulations to where no one can do anything because their hands are all tied. We have allowed lawyers and bureaucracies to replace common sense. Regulations no longer serve man, man is now made to serve them.

He isn't missing your point. He's avoiding it. Because there is no sane argument for what is going on, and the people who cackle and rub their hands together at the thought of government goons breaking down the doors of homes where there are children, seizing the children, shooting the dog, separating the kids, pumping them full of drugs...

have got a problem.

And eventually, people will realize that, and there will be consequences.
You always go to the exreme, don't you. The law is clear. If a Dr., teacher, police officer suspect neglect or abuse, it is the LAW that they report the matter if it involves children. They are called "reporters."
 
No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic.

Wrong again, cupcake. Go back and READ my post. I said send a police medic or SOMETHING. You keep missing the point that MY point was that there was a lot better options available than sending a SWAT team. When I was a kid, you could call a doctor, get him out of bed and come to your house in the middle of the night. The problem with the world today is that we have a hundred million ultra-narrow specialists now and 500 million rules and regulations to where no one can do anything because their hands are all tied. We have allowed lawyers and bureaucracies to replace common sense. Regulations no longer serve man, man is now made to serve them.

He isn't missing your point. He's avoiding it. Because there is no sane argument for what is going on, and the people who cackle and rub their hands together at the thought of government goons breaking down the doors of homes where there are children, seizing the children, shooting the dog, separating the kids, pumping them full of drugs...

have got a problem.

And eventually, people will realize that, and there will be consequences.
You always go to the exreme, don't you. The law is clear. If a Dr., teacher, police officer suspect neglect or abuse, it is the LAW that they report the matter if it involves children. They are called "reporters."
Mandatory Reporters...if they don't, they too can get in legal trouble. Can't help but wonder why Rep Jim Jordan didn't get held responsible when he didn't report the wrestling team doctor molesting his wrestlers.
 
I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic.

Wrong again, cupcake. Go back and READ my post. I said send a police medic or SOMETHING. You keep missing the point that MY point was that there was a lot better options available than sending a SWAT team. When I was a kid, you could call a doctor, get him out of bed and come to your house in the middle of the night. The problem with the world today is that we have a hundred million ultra-narrow specialists now and 500 million rules and regulations to where no one can do anything because their hands are all tied. We have allowed lawyers and bureaucracies to replace common sense. Regulations no longer serve man, man is now made to serve them.

Freak, try to focus. A police officer has the authority to break down your door if he thinks a life is endangered. No "medic" or doctor has that right, and there is no such thing as a "police medic: If they don't answer the door, only the police can enter it, short of the house being on fire. You are just digging your hole deeper.
 
I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic. There is no such thing as a "police medic".


Not sure why it matters, but there is such as thing as a police medic, in that police hire specially trained med techs for things like drawing DUI blood samples.
A public nurse could have been used instead.
But the point is that the police did not just check the child's temperature, but instead illegally took custody of the child, with any legal authority to do so.

Only an MD is qualified to diagnose and illness to a judge, and the police do not employ MD's, period.
 
I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

I know what the point is, imbecile. That's my point. When you retards can't speak to the point, you say something idiotic, like "there is no such thing as a "police medic"." Who the fuck cares?

Or.."Engage, that is the point here." That is exactly what I said, only you appear not to understand the simplest verbage.

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic. There is no such thing as a "police medic".
EMT Emergecy Medical Technician

An EMT is not qualified to diagnose an illness.
 
I'm telling you what, that was one sorry state of affairs and the parents should have thought about what they were going to be exposing their kids to when they refused to have the child checked and when Dad apparently threatened the cops.
 
That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

That's why I said "or whatever." But I find it hard to believe there are no police officers out there with basic medical skills to deal with emergencies on the spot. I mean, I'm not a cop or a doctor but I know CPR and how to take a kids temperature. :rolleyes:

No police officer has the authority to demand that someone open their door so that he can take their temperature and render a laymen's medial diagnosis. I am more than a little surprised that you have to be told this.

Really? A police officer cannot pound on your door and demand you answer it with a doctor or paramedic beside him and a court order authorizing them to examine the child and seize him for his own protection if deemed in danger? You mean the SWAT team took the kid by force against the parent's wishes without a court order too? Just what country do we live in? It's YOUR house so long as you pay us our taxes and now it's YOUR kid so long as you raise and care for him as WE see fit?


So, your post is wrong, and you change what you are saying? Sounds like Trump! You said that all the police have to do is send in a police medic. There is no such thing as a "police medic".
EMT Emergecy Medical Technician

An EMT is not qualified to diagnose an illness.
An emt can determine the temperature of the patient. They are there for emergencies and that was one. I don't know for sure if an EMT was there, it doesn't say in the story.
 

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