I read this thread "What makes arguing with liberals so frustrating #1" and at first I thought it whttp://www.usmessageboard.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=19as an Oxymoron .. "arguing" means discussing with facts but linked to "liberals" ! The sad part is that to the majority of "liberals" it is hard to get them to "think"! Thinking generally prevents mistakes that immediate, jumping to conclusions, making hyperbolic conclusions i.e. "liberals" generally do! So this thread really isn't for liberals because this will go WAY over their heads! This is though for the so-called "independents" still thinking Obama et.al. is acceptable... Here is an example of "liberal" jumping to conclusions, hyperbolic responses create LAWS! Obamacare...Nancy Pelosi, 'We have to pass it to know what's in it' What do we know now AFTER passage of 2,900 pages? 1) THERE NEVER were 50 million "uninsured" 2) That the Federal Government with health care will usurp our religious beliefs i.e. contraceptives HAVE to be paid for by employers that don't want to for ethical reasons. And these two reasons HAVE nothing to do with financial gross exaggerations! For example Obamacare was to collect $200 million a year from tanning salons. They were 80% over estimated in revenue! FACTS have a way of correcting misperceptions!