Are There Any Moderates Here?

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Just out of curiosity, this forum seems pretty polarized, which is fine, I come here to debate. However, I was curious if there were any other moderates out there along with me?

I'm left leaning, but, perhaps because I was raised in the South and served in the Marines, am a moderate liberal. I can say I voted split ticket for this past election and, even though I am on the left the candidate I was most behind in our last election was Rubio rather than Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

I'm also a big fan of Sen. John McCain as well as a fan of Sen Elizabeth Warren. So, is there anybody else out here that toes the fence line between parties? I feel like I'm a dying breed here.

Neither side is the enemy but you have way to many partisan nutters on here...

Look I understand Trump voters believe they have a right to gloat but some take it to the extreme that it remind me of the left when they won in 2008 and it is damn annoying as hell!

There are great moderates on here but the nutters outweigh the sane on this board!

As for me, well I have been accused of being a Trumpster and the other side accuse me of being a Snowflake and all I know the scars on my ass tell me that I fence post sit a lot!

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Just out of curiosity, this forum seems pretty polarized, which is fine, I come here to debate. However, I was curious if there were any other moderates out there along with me?

I'm left leaning, but, perhaps because I was raised in the South and served in the Marines, am a moderate liberal. I can say I voted split ticket for this past election and, even though I am on the left the candidate I was most behind in our last election was Rubio rather than Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

I'm also a big fan of Sen. John McCain as well as a fan of Sen Elizabeth Warren. So, is there anybody else out here that toes the fence line between parties? I feel like I'm a dying breed here.

Personally, I think there is a significant difference between a moderate and an independent.

I consider myself an independent, meaning my views can be just as strong as those of any winger - the differences are (a) they don't fall conveniently and obediently in line with those of a "side", and (b) my views often conflict with those of wingers from both sides of the same issue. In other words, a perspective that is independent from both ends.

So to me, "wingers" from both ends essentially represent one side: Wingers. The flavor (left or right) is, for the most part, irrelevant.

A moderate/centrist to me will tend to have fewer passionate views.
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You're a LWNJ....

Proof you ask? Voting Hillary....

Now, go away......

Actually Mac is moderate compare to those like you...

Those like you feel everyone is the enemy and like Mac was attempting to point out is you have more in common with Guno and Rdean than you have with those like Mac which is factual with your nutter point of view...

 

[Mac1958]

Where's the fun in two moderates debating things?

I'd much rather have a conversation with a moderate or independent than a winger. You already know what the winger is going to say, because they're obligated to spin for their side.

Very little original thought. Boring.
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[Toro]

Just out of curiosity, this forum seems pretty polarized, which is fine, I come here to debate. However, I was curious if there were any other moderates out there along with me?

I'm left leaning, but, perhaps because I was raised in the South and served in the Marines, am a moderate liberal. I can say I voted split ticket for this past election and, even though I am on the left the candidate I was most behind in our last election was Rubio rather than Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

I'm also a big fan of Sen. John McCain as well as a fan of Sen Elizabeth Warren. So, is there anybody else out here that toes the fence line between parties? I feel like I'm a dying breed here.

Personally, I think there is a significant difference between a moderate and an independent.

I consider myself an independent, meaning my views can be just as strong as those of any winger - the differences are (a) they don't fall conveniently and obediently in line with those of a "side", and (b) my views often conflict with those of wingers from both sides of the same issue. In other words, a perspective that is independent from both ends.

So to me, "wingers" from both ends essentially represent one side: Wingers. The flavor (left or right) is, for the most part, irrelevant.

A moderate/centrist to me will tend to have fewer passionate views.
.

You're a LWNJ....

Proof you ask? Voting Hillary....

Now, go away......

Actually Mac is moderate compare to those like you...

Those like you feel everyone is the enemy and like Mac was attempting to point out is you have more in common with Guno and Rdean than you have with those like Mac which is factual with your nutter point of view...

That's how extremist nutters are.

 

[Mac1958]

Just out of curiosity, this forum seems pretty polarized, which is fine, I come here to debate. However, I was curious if there were any other moderates out there along with me?

I'm left leaning, but, perhaps because I was raised in the South and served in the Marines, am a moderate liberal. I can say I voted split ticket for this past election and, even though I am on the left the candidate I was most behind in our last election was Rubio rather than Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

I'm also a big fan of Sen. John McCain as well as a fan of Sen Elizabeth Warren. So, is there anybody else out here that toes the fence line between parties? I feel like I'm a dying breed here.

Personally, I think there is a significant difference between a moderate and an independent.

I consider myself an independent, meaning my views can be just as strong as those of any winger - the differences are (a) they don't fall conveniently and obediently in line with those of a "side", and (b) my views often conflict with those of wingers from both sides of the same issue. In other words, a perspective that is independent from both ends.

So to me, "wingers" from both ends essentially represent one side: Wingers. The flavor (left or right) is, for the most part, irrelevant.

A moderate/centrist to me will tend to have fewer passionate views.
.

You're a LWNJ....

Proof you ask? Voting Hillary....

Now, go away......

Actually Mac is moderate compare to those like you...

Those like you feel everyone is the enemy and like Mac was attempting to point out is you have more in common with Guno and Rdean than you have with those like Mac which is factual with your nutter point of view...

I've noticed that the one thing a winger hates more than anything else is being compared to or equated with a winger from the other side.

It can get pretty funny.
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[eflatminor]

Interesting that a classical liberal/libertarian would not fit any of your categories, no matter how badly some would care to pigeon hole us.

 

[Iceweasel]

The OP shows a major part of the problem. I oppose leftism in all its' forms. Most liberals are not aware of how dangerous it is and are being led by those who have a purpose. Global socialism is their aim, all this shit we battle over is just small skirmishes. Every once in a while a major battle breaks out. Trump is one of them, Brexit another, the EU seems to be falling apart as others want some autonomy back.

The power brokers whip up the masses by emotional appeal, easy to do for libs since they are not long range thinkers but respond to the moment. That does not make liberals my enemy though. Those pulling the strings damn sure are though. They want to take freedoms away and make me work for them.

And I don't care how one labels me.

 

[Iceweasel]

I've noticed that the one thing a winger hates more than anything else is being compared to or equated with a winger from the other side.

It can get pretty funny.

I imagine so since it's so goddamn stupid.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Just out of curiosity, this forum seems pretty polarized, which is fine, I come here to debate. However, I was curious if there were any other moderates out there along with me?

I'm left leaning, but, perhaps because I was raised in the South and served in the Marines, am a moderate liberal. I can say I voted split ticket for this past election and, even though I am on the left the candidate I was most behind in our last election was Rubio rather than Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

I'm also a big fan of Sen. John McCain as well as a fan of Sen Elizabeth Warren. So, is there anybody else out here that toes the fence line between parties? I feel like I'm a dying breed here.

Personally, I think there is a significant difference between a moderate and an independent.

I consider myself an independent, meaning my views can be just as strong as those of any winger - the differences are (a) they don't fall conveniently and obediently in line with those of a "side", and (b) my views often conflict with those of wingers from both sides of the same issue. In other words, a perspective that is independent from both ends.

So to me, "wingers" from both ends essentially represent one side: Wingers. The flavor (left or right) is, for the most part, irrelevant.

A moderate/centrist to me will tend to have fewer passionate views.
.

You're a LWNJ....

Proof you ask? Voting Hillary....

Now, go away......

Actually Mac is moderate compare to those like you...

Those like you feel everyone is the enemy and like Mac was attempting to point out is you have more in common with Guno and Rdean than you have with those like Mac which is factual with your nutter point of view...

I've noticed that the one thing a winger hates more than anything else is being compared to or equated with a winger from the other side.

It can get pretty funny.
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It is hilarious when you realize how much in common the two wingers have with each other with their hatred for anyone that disagree with them!

All you can do is troll them because trying to have a civil conversation with wingers is like beating your head against a brick wall and it just hurt and leave you with a headache while the beating or conversation was pointless...

 

[Mac1958]

It is hilarious when you realize how much in common the two wingers have with each other with their hatred for anyone that disagree with them!

Yup. And they use precisely the same tactics: Deflection, distortion, denial, straw man arguments, personal insults, name-calling, hyperbole, obtuseness, and outright lies.

At this point I just let them flail away until they get tired.
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[Iceweasel]

It is hilarious when you realize how much in common the two wingers have with each other with their hatred for anyone that disagree with them!

Yup. And they use precisely the same tactics: Deflection, distortion, denial, straw man arguments, personal insults, name-calling, hyperbole, obtuseness, and outright lies.

At this point I just let them flail away until they get tired.
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Oh get off your high horse you whack job. No matter how many times it gets explained to you, you can only identify people you disagree with as partisan extremists. No political party represents all my beliefs, that's not even what a political party is. It's a group of people to move agendas.

This election was more about issues than party but so called "moderates" like you can't operate on a moral high ground that way so you continuously misrepresent people.

 

[Mac1958]

It is hilarious when you realize how much in common the two wingers have with each other with their hatred for anyone that disagree with them!

Yup. And they use precisely the same tactics: Deflection, distortion, denial, straw man arguments, personal insults, name-calling, hyperbole, obtuseness, and outright lies.

At this point I just let them flail away until they get tired.
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Oh get off your high horse you whack job. No matter how many times it gets explained to you, you can only identify people you disagree with as partisan extremists. No political party represents all my beliefs, that's not even what a political party is. It's a group of people to move agendas.

This election was more about issues than party but so called "moderates" like you can't operate on a moral high ground that way so you continuously misrepresent people.

See?


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[Iceweasel]

It is hilarious when you realize how much in common the two wingers have with each other with their hatred for anyone that disagree with them!

Yup. And they use precisely the same tactics: Deflection, distortion, denial, straw man arguments, personal insults, name-calling, hyperbole, obtuseness, and outright lies.

At this point I just let them flail away until they get tired.
.

Oh get off your high horse you whack job. No matter how many times it gets explained to you, you can only identify people you disagree with as partisan extremists. No political party represents all my beliefs, that's not even what a political party is. It's a group of people to move agendas.

This election was more about issues than party but so called "moderates" like you can't operate on a moral high ground that way so you continuously misrepresent people.

See?


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Exactly. You come here to insult people while accusing them of being insulting. It's what you do.

 

[Mac1958]

It is hilarious when you realize how much in common the two wingers have with each other with their hatred for anyone that disagree with them!

Yup. And they use precisely the same tactics: Deflection, distortion, denial, straw man arguments, personal insults, name-calling, hyperbole, obtuseness, and outright lies.

At this point I just let them flail away until they get tired.
.

Oh get off your high horse you whack job. No matter how many times it gets explained to you, you can only identify people you disagree with as partisan extremists. No political party represents all my beliefs, that's not even what a political party is. It's a group of people to move agendas.

This election was more about issues than party but so called "moderates" like you can't operate on a moral high ground that way so you continuously misrepresent people.

See?


.

Exactly. You come here to insult people while accusing them of being insulting. It's what you do.

You're welcome to point out the personal insult.

Go ahead. I'll wait here.
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[OldLady]

Just out of curiosity, this forum seems pretty polarized, which is fine, I come here to debate. However, I was curious if there were any other moderates out there along with me?

I'm left leaning, but, perhaps because I was raised in the South and served in the Marines, am a moderate liberal. I can say I voted split ticket for this past election and, even though I am on the left the candidate I was most behind in our last election was Rubio rather than Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

I'm also a big fan of Sen. John McCain as well as a fan of Sen Elizabeth Warren. So, is there anybody else out here that toes the fence line between parties? I feel like I'm a dying breed here.

At least I think I'm an Independent and a moderate, like you, but a lot of conservatives here disagree. We need to be polarized or it gets people confused.
What do you like about Elizabeth Warren? She's pretty not moderate, I think.

 

[Iceweasel]

It is hilarious when you realize how much in common the two wingers have with each other with their hatred for anyone that disagree with them!

Yup. And they use precisely the same tactics: Deflection, distortion, denial, straw man arguments, personal insults, name-calling, hyperbole, obtuseness, and outright lies.

At this point I just let them flail away until they get tired.
.

Oh get off your high horse you whack job. No matter how many times it gets explained to you, you can only identify people you disagree with as partisan extremists. No political party represents all my beliefs, that's not even what a political party is. It's a group of people to move agendas.

This election was more about issues than party but so called "moderates" like you can't operate on a moral high ground that way so you continuously misrepresent people.

See?


.

Exactly. You come here to insult people while accusing them of being insulting. It's what you do.

You're welcome to point out the personal insult.

Go ahead. I'll wait here.
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Sure, you smug bastard. You started out with:
"I've noticed that the one thing a winger hates more than anything else is being compared to or equated with a winger from the other side."

 

[Mac1958]

Yup. And they use precisely the same tactics: Deflection, distortion, denial, straw man arguments, personal insults, name-calling, hyperbole, obtuseness, and outright lies.

At this point I just let them flail away until they get tired.
.

Oh get off your high horse you whack job. No matter how many times it gets explained to you, you can only identify people you disagree with as partisan extremists. No political party represents all my beliefs, that's not even what a political party is. It's a group of people to move agendas.

This election was more about issues than party but so called "moderates" like you can't operate on a moral high ground that way so you continuously misrepresent people.

See?


.

Exactly. You come here to insult people while accusing them of being insulting. It's what you do.

You're welcome to point out the personal insult.

Go ahead. I'll wait here.
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Sure, you smug bastard. You started out with:
"I've noticed that the one thing a winger hates more than anything else is being compared to or equated with a winger from the other side."

And you took that as a personal insult?

Wow, I had no idea how sensitive you are.

My sincerest apologies. Maybe you should put me on ignore or find a safe space. I'd hate to cause any more trauma.
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[petro]

The OP claims to be moderate while posting with an avatar as Trump as a vile pig. Not buying it or taking stupid poll.

 

[Iceweasel]

Oh get off your high horse you whack job. No matter how many times it gets explained to you, you can only identify people you disagree with as partisan extremists. No political party represents all my beliefs, that's not even what a political party is. It's a group of people to move agendas.

This election was more about issues than party but so called "moderates" like you can't operate on a moral high ground that way so you continuously misrepresent people.

See?


.

Exactly. You come here to insult people while accusing them of being insulting. It's what you do.

You're welcome to point out the personal insult.

Go ahead. I'll wait here.
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Sure, you smug bastard. You started out with:
"I've noticed that the one thing a winger hates more than anything else is being compared to or equated with a winger from the other side."

And you took that as a personal insult?

Wow, I had no idea how sensitive you are.

My sincerest apologies. Maybe you should put me on ignore or find a safe space. I'd hate to cause any more trauma.
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Oh fuck you. You just proved my point but your too arrogant to even see it. Don't tell people to put you on ignore. You are not that important.

When did I say I took your comment as a personal insult? You twist everything to fit your purpose and your purpose is to demonstrate how superior you are.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Just out of curiosity, this forum seems pretty polarized, which is fine, I come here to debate. However, I was curious if there were any other moderates out there along with me?

I'm left leaning, but, perhaps because I was raised in the South and served in the Marines, am a moderate liberal. I can say I voted split ticket for this past election and, even though I am on the left the candidate I was most behind in our last election was Rubio rather than Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

I'm also a big fan of Sen. John McCain as well as a fan of Sen Elizabeth Warren. So, is there anybody else out here that toes the fence line between parties? I feel like I'm a dying breed here.

At least I think I'm an Independent and a moderate, like you, but a lot of conservatives here disagree. We need to be polarized or it gets people confused.
What do you like about Elizabeth Warren? She's pretty not moderate, I think.

I am not trying to insult you but you're to the left of Hillary Clinton, so I just consider you left but not a fringer seeing some very very very few times we agree on something... Did I wrote very enough!?!