Are Americans willing to pay the cost of war?

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    The Cost Of War
    Bruce Bartlett, 11.26.09, 12:01 AM EST

    Are Americans willing to pay it?

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    In recent years, Republicans have been characterized by two principal positions: They like starting wars and don't like paying for them. George W. Bush initiated two major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but adamantly refused to pay for either of them by cutting non-military spending or raising taxes. Indeed, at his behest, Congress actually cut taxes and established a massive new entitlement program, Medicare Part D.

    Bush's actions were unprecedented. During every previous major war in American history, presidents demanded sacrifices from rich and poor alike. As Robert Hormats explains in his 2007 book, The Price of Liberty: Paying for America's Wars, "During most of America's wars, parochial desires--such as tax breaks for favored groups or generous spending for influential constituencies--have been sacrificed to the greater good. The president and both parties in Congress have come together … to cut nonessential spending and increase taxes."

    More... Forbes.com - Bruce Bartlett

    Bruce Bartlett (b. October 11, 1951, in Ann Arbor, Michigan) is a historian who turned to writing about supply-side economics. He was a domestic policy adviser to President Ronald Reagan and was a treasury official under President George H.W. Bush.
     
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    Of course not. If Americans were directly taxed for the wars started by their elected-officials there would be a massive revolt.
     
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    Oddly enough,in the entire budget national defense is the ONLY item where Congress is on solid Constitutional grounds.
     
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    You must think Americans are silly enough to believe that our enemy -who declared war on us years before 9/11 and we just ignored it until thousands were murdered at a time instead of a few at time -will just call it off as well. Oh sure, handing the enemy victory cannot possibly do anything but prove to them what nice fellows we are after all, right? It won't prove what Bin Laden told them all along -that this is exactly what the US would do because we just don't have what it takes for the long war THEY have declared and have repeatedly said is a fight to the death. Ours or theirs. Does anyone with a brain really have to wonder which outcome would be cheaper for us?

    Our enemy has made sure our options with how to deal with them are very few. It is our death or theirs and they mean it. If we choose to hand them victory here and walk away, it will NOT change their declaration to destroy us no matter how long it takes and no matter how much it may cost them in lives and resources -because unlike us, time is not an issue and they pride themselves on having qualities they believe the US lacks but are necessary for victory. Bin Laden has repeatedly said walking away is exactly what the US would do because it hasn't the stomach for a long war and is unwilling to fight to defend what is theirs.

    Where we DO have plenty of options is with ending and REVERSING this nonstop wet dream spending spree Democrats have indulged in for nearly a full year doing all they can to expand the power of government - which can only happen at the expense of our freedoms and liberties. They quadrupled our budget deficit in a matter of MONTHS -not the war -insuring the government can lay claim to as much of OUR money as it wants because it earmarked that money for social programs the majority didn't want in the first place -and have now firmly set our feet on the path of bankruptcy. If we DO go bankrupt -it won't be because of Afghanistan. It will be because of Democrats and Obama who CHOSE to do whatever it took to insure we would go bankrupt. And did not happen by accident.


    Osama Bin Laden - Fatwa- Background and Declaration of War on America

    Paul Lafargue: The Bankruptcy of Capitalism

    Dr. Sanity: THE INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL BANKRUPTCY OF TODAY'S LEFT
     
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    Well, apparently "real Americans" aren't. It's that "personal responsibility" thing, y'know...
     
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    Hell yea

    You couldn't get a decent war off the ground if people realized they cost money
     
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    Our tax dollars cover everything the Congress spends money on. The Congress is authorizing dollars for the war, tax dollars. Now want another tax??? Just the tip of the iceburg.. These clowns will be taxing us to death with crap and trade, climate change, the green agenda, healthcare and now an additioinal tax on the war. Oh yeah. CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!
     
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    No Claudette, the "change" that is unbelievable is Bush starting two wars with NO way or intent to pay for them...

    It is GROSS incompetence...
     
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    Bf your right. Bush did start it all.

    That was then and this is now. BO is the President and he is pursuing the RIGHT war in Afg or so he says. Blaming Bush sounds great but how long can you blame a President who is out of power???? Comes a time when the president NOW has to take the blame for whats going on NOW.

    BO could have pulled all the troops out of everywhere when he came to power but didn't. Wonder why???
     
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    The quoted piece has, as its thesis, two major premises:

    1. "[Republicans] like starting wars."

    and

    2. "[Republicans] don't like paying for [the wars they allegedly 'start']."

    Both major premises are false.

    This means the quoted piece is quite worthless.
     
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