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So, you're in the upper income class, and you're complaining that people in the lower income class don't pay enough taxes...
...that would, by definition, be engaging in
CLASS WARFARE.
So, you're in the upper income class, and you're complaining that people in the lower income class don't pay enough taxes...
...that would, by definition, be engaging in
CLASS WARFARE.
As opposed to taking money from the rich by government decree under threat of law. It works both ways NYcarbineer.
Here's where you are trying to blur the line between the Democrat child tax credit and the EXEMPTION given to head of households and marriages that have children in them.
Now tell me why you are against the Child Tax Credit as it was signed into law in 1997, amended in 2001, 2003 and 2008 increasing the credit each time. The Democrats LOWERED the threshold income in 2008 thus expanding the eligibility pool....why do you hate that fact?
It's irrelevant to me who did or didn't support it I'm just trying to explain to people a significant reason why so many Americans pay no federal income tax.
I understand. Are you for or against the Child Tax Credit?
No Us Conservatives believe that everyone in this country should share in the financial burden of the Federal Government. Then maybe when the "poor" people start paying taxes, then maybe their eyes will be opened as well to the wasteful and un-needed spending that goes on in Washington. So its not as easy as you put it with reducing for the rich and increasing for the poor, its called lets put everyone on a level playing field!!
Level playing field means the guy making what I'm making who has 4 kids pays the same federal taxes I do, with no kids.
Are you on THAT 'level playing field'?
Who else wants that 'level playing field'?
If what you say here came to pass I'm sure the birth rate would go down. While paying the upcoming massive tax hikes AND trying to raise kids....it would just be too damn expensive to have kids.....without kids there are no future taxpayers as mentioned in another post....without future taxpayers the entitlement programs all die on the vine...
Funny how nycarbineer is bitching and complaining about Democrat sponsored laws that allowed the generous exemptions for kids. What's wrong? Impotent...sterile...chicken shit around women...40 year old virgin...closet gay?
The person who signed the bill is not of the Party of the SPONSORS, you worthless pathological lying piece of scum-sucking America-hating shit.See the first quote in my sig!
The child tax exemption was introduced in 1997 sponsored in the house by John Kasich REPUBLICAN and in the senate by Frank Murkowski REPUBLICAN.
Lie .... er .... er .... try again.
Who signed it into law you dumb motherfucker!!!!
And since you ARE too fucking stupid to remember...YOU said it was a DEMOCRATIC SPONSORED bill that Clinton signed, and you were LYING as usual. You only brought up "signing" AFTER your premeditated LIE was exposed. The bill was a GOP sponsored bill from a GOP congress signed by a CON$ervative Democrat.and in case you're too fucking stupid to remember...the President signs Bills into law...NOT CONGRESS you junior high school dropout.
We all smell your shit breath...please STFU.
Just because the left said THE BULK of Bush's tax cuts went to the rich, which they did in fact, doesn't make LimpTard's Straw Man that "there WEREN'T ANY tax cuts for the middle class with Bush" true!!! The GOP always throw a few crumbs to the middle class and then mostly hype those few crumbs when they push their bills.It seem I'm not the only one who equates the 47% non-payers with Bush tax policies. Friday, America's Hemorrhoid Stuttering LimpTard not only affirmed that Obama didn't cut taxes in the stimulus bill, but also it was Bush's tax cuts that brought us all the way to 47% non-payers.Obama has more of the tax base being paid by less of the people.. more than any time in history
Still care to deal with your made up numbers, or are you in need of a few more bong hits before you start admitting to the complete fabrications??
And now you try the inertia argument right after you lay immediate blame in Bush for his first year... epic super mega uber fail.... crawl back under your rock you ultra partisan hack
April 16, 2010
RUSH:** He [Obama] hasn't cut anybody's taxes.* The Recovery Act, stimulus bill, it's more like loaves and fishes.* There are no tax cuts in that.
April 16, 2010
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: What is wrong with this sentence? Obama tax policy will keep the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. What's wrong with that sentence? Yeah, there weren't any tax cuts for the middle class with Bush, his tax cuts were for the rich. Remember that? All those years it was "Bush's tax cuts were for the rich." But now all of a sudden they discovered Bush tax cuts for the middle class along with Bush's tax cuts for the rich. Because the Bush tax cuts for the middle class, the regime is going to keep them. So they've been lying to us for all these years. There were Bush tax cuts for the middle class. There had to be! I mean, how the hell do you get to the point where 47% of 'em aren't paying any income tax? We knew that.
END TRANSCRIPT
Now wait a second traitor...
Limbaugh is right you anti-American freeloading piece of whale shit!!!! You poor retarded motherfuckers said nothing else besides Bush's tax cuts were for the rich...now it seems you and the rest of the traitors at C.A.P. LIED to the American people. Guess who SPONSORED THE RAISING OF THE INCOME CAP FOR THE CTC...that's right you dishonest dog turd...Pelosi's/Reid's Congress. That's what got us to 47% of people not paying income taxes for 2009.
and in case you're too fucking stupid to remember...the President signs Bills into law...NOT CONGRESS you junior high school dropout.
We all smell your shit breath...please STFU.
Level playing field means the guy making what I'm making who has 4 kids pays the same federal taxes I do, with no kids.
Are you on THAT 'level playing field'?
Who else wants that 'level playing field'?
If what you say here came to pass I'm sure the birth rate would go down. While paying the upcoming massive tax hikes AND trying to raise kids....it would just be too damn expensive to have kids.....without kids there are no future taxpayers as mentioned in another post....without future taxpayers the entitlement programs all die on the vine...
I would say the refutation to that is that there are millions of foreigners who would like very much to emigrate to the United States and they could easily fill any birthrate gap we might have. Of course you have to be amenable to the idea of increased immigration.
Plus most of your immigrants come all grown up, educated, and marketable to the workforce.
If what you say here came to pass I'm sure the birth rate would go down. While paying the upcoming massive tax hikes AND trying to raise kids....it would just be too damn expensive to have kids.....without kids there are no future taxpayers as mentioned in another post....without future taxpayers the entitlement programs all die on the vine...
I would say the refutation to that is that there are millions of foreigners who would like very much to emigrate to the United States and they could easily fill any birthrate gap we might have. Of course you have to be amenable to the idea of increased immigration.
Plus most of your immigrants come all grown up, educated, and marketable to the workforce.
Somehow I think the glow of the Statue of Liberty's torch is diminished by saying...
"give me your tired, your poor and 50% of your paycheck when you find a job..."
I don't think very many people would want to come to the USA and pay for current U.S. citizens to collect Social Security and pay for government run healthcare.
I would say the refutation to that is that there are millions of foreigners who would like very much to emigrate to the United States and they could easily fill any birthrate gap we might have. Of course you have to be amenable to the idea of increased immigration.
Plus most of your immigrants come all grown up, educated, and marketable to the workforce.
Somehow I think the glow of the Statue of Liberty's torch is diminished by saying...
"give me your tired, your poor and 50% of your paycheck when you find a job..."
I don't think very many people would want to come to the USA and pay for current U.S. citizens to collect Social Security and pay for government run healthcare.
You're talking nonsense.
CaféAuLait;2187032 said:Half of U.S. pays no federal income tax
Credits for low- and middle-income families exempt many
The result is a tax system that exempts almost half the country from paying for programs that benefit everyone, including national defense, public safety, infrastructure and education. It is a system in which the top 10 percent of earners households making an average of $366,400 in 2006 paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government.
Half of Americans pay no federal income tax - Tax Tactics - msnbc.com
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
The average of the worlds great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years.
These nations have progressed in this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to Complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage."
- Alexander Fraser Tytler*
(*quotation most often attributed to Tytler, although there is some doubt as to the authorship)
It seems to me that the lack of taxation on the bottom 50% really has become a threat to the future of our country. We have an existential threat to our nation created by DEBT.
And unless we have Americans getting some skin into the game... I don't see any way we're going to permanently reign in government spending.
We're at the tipping point, where the bottom 50% have no incentive to require responsible budgeting from the federal government. And the votes reflected as much in the last election cycle, which installed a president and a Congress who doubled down on the spending, creating yet another entitlement on top of the ones which were ALREADY crushing us.
I'm not one of those top 5%, but by God I'm not a mugger either. I have to have faith in my fellow citizens who are just as likely to make the honorable choice, particularly once the danger has been pointed out to them. As we enter this next election cycle, I'm sure the lure of "free" money will by strong in many of our citizens. But not all of that bottom 50% will be willing to trade Liberty for CA$H. I think there were a whole lot of voters who just weren't paying attention and didn't recognize the danger. Our job as conservatives is to wake them up.
It's time to scrap this "progressive" tax system. And while I think it's unlikely that we can repeal the 16th, a flat tax would be the next best step. That way, if Congress wants to spend money and needs to raise taxes in order to do it... they'll have to justify it to ALL of their constituents and not just a few. It's time to END the Robin Hood economics that kills our wages and destroys our productivity, innovation, and will.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
The average of the worlds great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years.
These nations have progressed in this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to Complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage."
- Alexander Fraser Tytler*
(*quotation most often attributed to Tytler, although there is some doubt as to the authorship)
It seems to me that the lack of taxation on the bottom 50% really has become a threat to the future of our country. We have an existential threat to our nation created by DEBT.
And unless we have Americans getting some skin into the game... I don't see any way we're going to permanently reign in government spending.
We're at the tipping point, where the bottom 50% have no incentive to require responsible budgeting from the federal government. And the votes reflected as much in the last election cycle, which installed a president and a Congress who doubled down on the spending, creating yet another entitlement on top of the ones which were ALREADY crushing us.
I'm not one of those top 5%, but by God I'm not a mugger either. I have to have faith in my fellow citizens who are just as likely to make the honorable choice, particularly once the danger has been pointed out to them. As we enter this next election cycle, I'm sure the lure of "free" money will by strong in many of our citizens. But not all of that bottom 50% will be willing to trade Liberty for CA$H. I think there were a whole lot of voters who just weren't paying attention and didn't recognize the danger. Our job as conservatives is to wake them up.
It's time to scrap this "progressive" tax system. And while I think it's unlikely that we can repeal the 16th, a flat tax would be the next best step. That way, if Congress wants to spend money and needs to raise taxes in order to do it... they'll have to justify it to ALL of their constituents and not just a few. It's time to END the Robin Hood economics that kills our wages and destroys our productivity, innovation, and will.
Time to bump this timeless post
This is classic redistribution of wealth.
Take from those who have, give to those who have not. In the end, the only people who have anything are corrupt government officials.
Earth to boedicca,
The wealth of the top ten percent has been increasing steadily over the last thirty years. You really need to think about the results of such a huge gap in the distribution of wealth. It is destroying the middle class. We are going to end up like Mexico with two classes of citizens, a few wealthy and the rest poor. We are lagging behind many other countries when it comes to educating our young, and we are making it more and more difficult for the average American to get ahead.
Unless we change our thinking drastically, we are going to find ourselves lagging behind Europe and more importantly, Asia before too long. But keep believing that continuing to increase the wealth of the few is the answer to our problems. Once the middle class is gone, there won't be anyone left to actually buy any goods that we may still produce, so even the wealthy will lose most of their net worth.
