Antidepressants don't work?

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    Anybody watching 60 minutes tonight? If not, watch it online. It's very interesting how some researchers are now saying that antidepressants don't work in mild or moderate cases. Heck, it sounds like the UK has already admitted it.

    Take a view, it's good.
     
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    They are simply wrong. The problem is not that anti depressants don't work, they work on about 80 percent of those afflicted. The problem is current mental health calls EVERYTHING depression. Anti Depressants are not going to work on the supposed mild cases because those people are not clinically depressed, their brain is not short on neurotransmitters. They are being given a drug they don't need.

    And a lot of the supposed moderate problems are not clinical either. It has just come to be to easy to label everything as depression and give pills for it when no pills are needed or the problem is something other then clinical depression.
     
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    They don't work in most cases because "depression" has no pathology....There's no "disease", in the traditional clinical sense, to treat.

    Most of today's unquantifiable "disorders" are pretty much dreamed up by PhD candidates, who needed to make a "new discovery" for their dissertations.
     
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    Clinical Depression exists. I have it and I suffer major depression pretty much all the time. It is caused mostly by a lack of one or more neurotransmitters in the brain. They have not developed a way to test medically for it.

    The problem currently is that people that are NOT clinically depressed are diagnosed as such and given pills that won't help them because they have no deficiency of those transmitters.

    Kids are the most over diagnosed of the lot. Act up as a teenager naturally does and an over concerned parent or Teacher will get you seen by a therapist or Doctor that has a vested interest in you being depressed.

    The local mental health facility went from treating adults and senile old to no old people only about 10 beds for adults and almost exclusively treating teenagers and small children.

    Further in children and teenagers the drugs that are common to the current era do not work on them. They actually induce the very effects they are supposed to treat.
     
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    If there's no way to test for it, then the doctors are just guessing...This is why depression is not a disease in the strictly defined sense...The diagnosis is made on purely anecdotal evidence.

    Believe me, I'm not minimizing your particular experience...I'm just saying that the doctors are guessing and people are getting needlessly hooked on antidepressants.

    No, the problem is that there is no way to actually see and physically measure a neurotransmitter, to test if the hypothesis is correct or not.

    Kids are overdiagnosed for just about all unquantifiable and unverifiable "disorders"...It's good to catch the kids while they're young, so they can be programmed to think that they are on the effect end of the world and their bodies....Makes for much more compliant little proles.
     
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    That's absurd. There is existant pathology in depression. There is no quantifiable test for the disease. The diagnosis is completely clinical. So are many other diseases. That doesn't mean they don't exist. The notion that psych disorders are created by PhD candidates is also silly. Psychiatrists (MDs) own the DSM IV and not psychologists.

    I'd agree that depression is over diagnosed and treated. I'd argue that fact is reflective of the fact that there is a shortage of psychiatrists and GP's are left to do there best.

    The dirty little secret of SSRIs, which is not really a secret at all if you've kept up with the literature, is that after accounting for placebo, they aren't nearly as effective as people believe.

    That doesn't change the fact that people have benefitted tremendously from them and that they know are showing efficacy in treating anxiety, fibromyalgia, and other disorders.
     
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    If there's no quantifiable test, then you cannot say that there's a pathology...That's how real medicine works.
     
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    Ohh here it comes, the claim that mental disorders are not REAL.
     
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    They're just as real as hysterical paralysis and blindness....Both are real and neither have any clinically verifiable pathology.

    But do you pump a patient who has hysterical paralysis full of drugs and send them out into the world?
     
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    Whether you like it or not medication works on Depression, it is a proven fact that 80 percent of those with clinical depression can be treated with anti depressants.

    And you may not want to argue with me as I am living proof. But you keep on advocating that millions be left untreated.
     
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