Anthrax Suspect Kills Himself? Yea right

[RetiredGySgt]

pat lehey and tom dachel were the 2 ppl stopping the patriot act from passing. hmmm?

randi rhodes was laying out the evidence and wasn't accusing yet because there are still a lot of questions. one things for sure. it was a partisan attack.

she said many voted for the war were probably afraid not to. chaney got enough votes.

did you know this one guy they tried to pin this on sued the gov and won millions?

this guy was never mentioned until now? 7 yrs later?

there are other possible sourced and the gov has only investigate one or two sources. cover up..

it is patriotic to want answers. it is unamerican to just accept lies and bullshit. yet bush lovers believe liars and call us conspiracy theorists. suckers.

do you know if you read about germany leading up to ww2, its almost exactly how we were duped into invading the middle east?

Ya let me get this right.... The guy they thought did it first is alive and well and sued them and won. But they murdered this guy 7 years later? That about it?

As conspiracy theories this one is so weak as to be pathetic.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

19 men planned and carried out an attack on the US. That's a conspiracy. The government came up with a theory as to what may have happened. They certainly have not proven everything, they used a lot of circumstantial evidence to make their case.

So, let's see here. We have a conspiracy, and a theory about how it happened. That would be, by definition, a conspiracy theory.

But you personally believe it, so discussion about it belongs in the mainstream forums, right? Help me out here RGS, you're becoming quite the confusing poster around here lately.

You are wrong and you know it. But hey lets play this out shall we? Show me where ANYONE is discussing the Government claim on a thread in the last year that is NOT in the Conspiracy theory Forum, A Thread where the title is about the Governments Theory?

I will gladly look at it and tell you whether it is a conspiracy theory or not.

Further lets move all current news that involves more than one person to the Conspiracy theory area cause you THINK they belong there. Shall we?

 

[sealybobo]

Ya let me get this right.... The guy they thought did it first is alive and well and sued them and won. But they murdered this guy 7 years later? That about it?

As conspiracy theories this one is so weak as to be pathetic.[/QUOTE

Consider the bush admin denied aproving torture and even put private in the stockaid for it. Now we know chaney, rummy, ashcroft and condy approved it. Why aren't they in jail? And so we know they are not above setting someone else up for their own actions.

So they couldn't set that poor man up and he sued and won. now this guy kils himself and with weak evidence they want to close this case? probably because the prosecutors obama wil appoint will solve this crime. but they won't look if the case is closed.

i'd investigate it anyways, just in case.

and i'd investigate what happened leading up to 9 11 again too.

you don't let criminals appoint the people that will investigate those crimes. usually not a good idea.

 

[sealybobo]

Ya let me get this right.... The guy they thought did it first is alive and well and sued them and won. But they murdered this guy 7 years later? That about it?

As conspiracy theories this one is so weak as to be pathetic.

maybe they didn't kill him. maybe they're just taking advantage of the fact he can't defend himself.

what if you learned that he didn't have access to this kind of anthrax?

maybe he did do it, under chanies orders? he would certainly spill if arrested.

so they tried to pin it on the wrong guy first. that would have been cool with chaney, but it didn't stick. then they got close to the real guy and i'm sure chaney was being updated on the progress. so he offed him before they arrested him.

I don't have all the answers, and neither do you. that's the problem.

and why the two guys preventing passage of the patriot act? can't spell check on my phone so fonetically, here goes. dashell and layhey? and a tabloid guy who was going to expose wmd is a lie?

they outted valerie plames, a covert cia agent because of her husbands wmd story. joe wilson.

hw bush said when he was president that is a treasonist act. he ran the cia, correct? so we know your boys are traitors. and they would do extrordonary hanous things to cover up their lies.

do you know people died over valerie plames? people who she duped were killed. like if a mafia guy vouches for an undercover cop, the mob takes him out for bringing that person in.

you've been played son. now just say clinton did it too and go to bed.

ps. I bet you didn't belive reagan did the iran conta thing either. and I bet you get on your knees for ollie north even after you learned the truth. man people are dumb.

 

[editec]

Asking qustions about the value of the information we're being fed is a conspiracy theory?

If, as has been advanced, the guy did not have access to powdered weapon grade anthrax, how did he get it?

Now, if he'd been making it on the job, how did he get away with that at the time of the investigation? Seems fairly likely everyone with access to antrax probably got a pretty intensive lookover, doesn't it?

It also seems fairly unlikely he was making the stuff in his bathroom.

So where'd he get it?

See? The information offered lends itself to conclude that the whole story has yet to be told.

If he was involved, as the government claims, and there is no obvious way he made the anthrax powder, then that suggests that someone else might also have been involved , yes?

Now he's dead.

Okay, let's assume he killed himself.

But we still have reason to believe (and one presumes the government might also) to think that this guy may not have been a lone wolf if there is no obvious way he made the anthraz powder, does it not?

This is a current topic, not some well worn conspiracy theory, in my opinion.

 

[sealybobo]

lets see the evidence on the guy before we decide. so far, not enough evidence to convict. and if he did it, we can't ask him why. or if he acted alone. and why only democrats.

this guy doesn't seem like the criminal. more like a pawn.

I bet most of you haven't read the 9 11 reports to know why its bullshit. you just assume. why?

 

[eots]

inside job...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Asking qustions about the value of the information we're being fed is a conspiracy theory?

If, as has been advanced, the guy did not have access to powdered weapon grade anthrax, how did he get it?

Now, if he'd been making it on the job, how did he get away with that at the time of the investigation? Seems fairly likely everyone with access to antrax probably got a pretty intensive lookover, doesn't it?

It also seems fairly unlikely he was making the stuff in his bathroom.

So where'd he get it?

See? The information offered lends itself to conclude that the whole story has yet to be told.

If he was involved, as the government claims, and there is no obvious way he made the anthrax powder, then that suggests that someone else might also have been involved , yes?

Now he's dead.

Okay, let's assume he killed himself.

But we still have reason to believe (and one presumes the government might also) to think that this guy may not have been a lone wolf if there is no obvious way he made the anthraz powder, does it not?

This is a current topic, not some well worn conspiracy theory, in my opinion.

Wrong. The story itself is no conspiracy. The spin that has been put on it IS. The ENTIRE premise of this thread is that he was secretly murdered by the Government to cover their asses. Even though there is not one shred of evidence this is true.

You want to discuss if he did it or not, start a legit thread without the tinfoil hat theory he was assassinated.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

lets see the evidence on the guy before we decide. so far, not enough evidence to convict. and if he did it, we can't ask him why. or if he acted alone. and why only democrats.

this guy doesn't seem like the criminal. more like a pawn.

I bet most of you haven't read the 9 11 reports to know why its bullshit. you just assume. why?

Let's see the evidence he was secretly murdered by the Government. Ohh wait, you don't do evidence do you?

 

[editec]

Wrong. The story itself is no conspiracy. The spin that has been put on it IS. The ENTIRE premise of this thread is that he was secretly murdered by the Government to cover their asses. Even though there is not one shred of evidence this is true.

You want to discuss if he did it or not, start a legit thread without the tinfoil hat theory he was assassinated.

I certainly don't have to assume that the government murdered the guy to have questions about the case.

Where did the weapons grade powdered Anthrax come from?

Even assuming the guy was guilty, and killed himself, where did he get the Anthrax?

If he didn't make it, or steal it from his own lab, then that suggests that the story has more unfolding to do, yet, yes?

It also suggests that the guy who killed himself (or was murdered..I really have no opinion on that, yet) was involved with somebody else.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I certainly don't have to assume that the government murdered the guy to have questions about the case.

Where did the weapons grade powdered Anthrax come from?

Even assuming the guy was guilty, and killed himself, where did he get the Anthrax?

If he didn't make it, or steal it from his own lab, then that suggests that the story has more unfolding to do, yet, yes?

It also suggests that the guy who killed himself (or was murdered..I really have no opinion on that, yet) was involved with somebody else.

Which has nothing to do with this thread. Sealybobo started this thread for the sole purpose of claiming the guy was assassinated by our Government to cover up the fact they did it.

As a matter of fact the story does not address any of your concerns. Either positive or negative. You do not know that the Government is NOT in fact working those angles RIGHT now. The story is just about a suspect that committed suicide.

 

[jreeves]

Several scientists who worked with Ivins also question whether he would have had the technical skills to create the sophisticated powder used in the anthrax attack. Creating the kind of highly lethal, easily dispersible powder used in the 2001 attacks requires unique skills not normally associated with vaccine specialists.

"He had no access to dry, powdered anthrax, according to Fort Detrick spokespersons, who said that only liquid anthrax was used at the Fort Detrick facility in animal aerosolization experiments," said Meryl Nass, a physician and bioterrorism expert. "If he had been making dry anthrax, it would have been detectable."
Anthrax Suspect Known for Quiet Research, Odd Behavior

Lmao....there goes your conspiracy theory right there.
If there was some type of governmental coverup then they surely would have controlled their own governmental spokespeople.
For godsake use your brain.

 

[editec]

Which has nothing to do with this thread. Sealybobo started this thread for the sole purpose of claiming the guy was assassinated by our Government to cover up the fact they did it.

As a matter of fact the story does not address any of your concerns. Either positive or negative.

Exactly my point. It raises one question that needs to be solved. where did the guy get this weapons grade powdered anthrax?

You do not know that the Government is NOT in fact working those angles RIGHT now

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I would be terribly surprised and disappointed to learn that they are NOT trying to figure this out.

The story is just about a suspect that committed suicide.[/quote]

This story tells us that the number one suspect of a very terrible crime killed himself.

So the issue of the crime itself is really the star of the story.

 

[Paulie]

You are wrong and you know it. But hey lets play this out shall we? Show me where ANYONE is discussing the Government claim on a thread in the last year that is NOT in the Conspiracy theory Forum, A Thread where the title is about the Governments Theory?

I will gladly look at it and tell you whether it is a conspiracy theory or not.

Further lets move all current news that involves more than one person to the Conspiracy theory area cause you THINK they belong there. Shall we?

Anytime someone mentions 9/11 being an inside job, whether the thread was dedicated to it via the title or not, it gets moved to CT's. So anytime someone brings up 9/11 in terms of the official theory in a thread, it should probably be moved as well. Do you get it now? I'm not sure I can spell it out any easier for you RGS, without resorting to little pictures of some sort.

I'm only here for a brief minute, but I'll come back later and link to some threads where 9/11 is mentioned. I mean, come on, it probably gets mentioned here everyday RGS. It's used as an excuse for CT'ers and non-CT'ers alike, to make their cases for whatever. A little search for "9/11" would probably bring up everything you'd need. By the time you read this post, you'll probably have more time to do the search than I do right now.

 

[Paulie]

I will says this, though...

How convenient for ANYONE, that all a suspect has to do is kill themself, and the case is automatically closed. No questions asked.

 

[dilloduck]

I will says this, though...

How convenient for ANYONE, that all a suspect has to do is kill themself, and the case is automatically closed. No questions asked.

How convenient just to accuse the government of being implicit in any suicide without a shred of evidence. Unfortunately the case is not closed and instead subjected to eternal speculation.

 

[Paulie]

How convenient just to accuse the government of being implicit in any suicide without a shred of evidence. Unfortunately the case is not closed and instead subjected to eternal speculation.

Well I sure hope that's not directed towards me personally, because you'll find in tihs thread that I never implied the government killed him.

Do I speculate that he MAY have been killed? Sure. Do I speculate that he may have killed himself? Sure. Since we'll probably never know the REAL truth, why not take every possibility into consideration?

 

[dilloduck]

Well I sure hope that's not directed towards me personally, because you'll find in tihs thread that I never implied the government killed him.

Do I speculate that he MAY have been killed? Sure. Do I speculate that he may have killed himself? Sure. Since we'll probably never know the REAL truth, why not take every possibility into consideration?

Of course. It's just that one rarely hears a CT admit to the fact that all they are doing is speculating. They're rock solid sure it had to happen as they speculate it did. They leave zero room for it to have happened any other way.

 

[Chris]

Here's an interview from CNN in which one of his co-workers casts doubt on the government's case....

Intended anthrax target has doubts about probe - CNN.com

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I can’t wait to hear how this guy knew to send anthrax to the exact people who were goiing to expose the WMD lie.

PS. I already noticed wiki has been altered and some facts are missing, but here we go....

Robert Stevens, the first person who died from the mailings, worked at a tabloid called Sun.

Frist, President Bush, and Vice President Cheney — frequently accused Daschle of being the "chief obstructionist" of Bush's agenda and charged him with using filibusters to block confirmation of several of Bush's nominees to the federal judiciary.

Cheney told Leahy, "Fuck yourself."

Both from Wikipedia

Ok, let’s add this all up. High level, military grade anthax sent only to liberals who were against the idea of invading Iraq. I wonder who would do that?

Now don't forget the DC Madam threatened to release her client list. ABC was going to report that Dick Chaney was on her list, but the show never aired. Then the lady mysteriously ends up committing suicide after she is convicted. If you look at the facts like, how she killed herself, how long she was going to be in prison and what her family says about her being the type of person to kill herself, it seems fishy. Ok, so now 7 years after the anthrax thing, today they announce that the suspect in that case committed suicide. If it doesn’t smell funny to you, then you have absolutely zero imagination.

Think Progress ABC’s Ross: DC Madam’s List Includes White House & Pentagon Officials, Prominent Lawyers

On Deadline - Monthly Archives - USATODAY.com

Remember this?

A Ukrainian opposition leader and presidential candidate is recovering in hospital in Vienna after an alleged attempt to poison him.

But I guess you are right that no American could ever possibly do something like this, or let 9-11 happen so we could start a war for money/oil, which killed 4000 plus soldiers, injured 100,000 more, killed 1 million Iraqi’s, etc….. Even though the evidence suggests that we did.

"A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies," Cheney told Americans just after 9/11. He warned the public that the government would have to operate on the "dark side."

great article.