Another Liberal Myth Exploded

[Marxist]

Really, want to debate me? You're a stupid, ignorant, partisan asshole. Pick a topic, and I'll debate you and prove what an ignorant moron you are

Your arguments are based on namecalling. In that respect, you'll have your backside swiftly kicked.

"stupid"

"ignorant"

"partisan"

"asshole"

"moron"

That's your playbook isn't it?

Debate him then.

Gladly. I challenge him to a debate in the Bull Ring.

Wry Catcher

Thanks for that, I'm not necessarily saying he doesn't do this, but it's good to not immediately shut down people.

And who is shutting who down? It only speaks to Wry's cowardice if Wry chooses not to meet my challenge.

Lots of posters on this forum.. come on now.

 

[Marxist]

Nor would I use it to describe you, can't we just be intelligent and actually debate? Put forth a topic for him, instead of being a partisan idiot.

You cannot debate with the left, they lie and twist the truth. You can't take them at their word, you can't negotiate a compromise, they are dishonest. They seek to divide our nation and our people. They foment division, they encourage envy and hate using lies and dishonesty. I see no reason to even speak with the left, our goal is to defeat them, period.

This is the kind of shit he is talking about, you can just as well say you cannot debate with the right and shut down the whole thing, it's dishonesty and bullshit. You should feel ashamed.

Its not my fault the left's chickens have come home to roost. This is what you get, we will not cooperate, we will not compromise, no more talk its time the left was defeated and voted out of power, enough is enough.

We will not compromise.. Yeah, sounds like a typical right wing idiot.

^^^ The left they bad mouth and back stab, lie and demonize conservatives, well fine we hate your guts now isn't that what you wanted? lol

Only response I can give, I'm sorry, but why are you on a debate forum if you won't debate?

 

[BluesLegend]

You cannot debate with the left, they lie and twist the truth. You can't take them at their word, you can't negotiate a compromise, they are dishonest. They seek to divide our nation and our people. They foment division, they encourage envy and hate using lies and dishonesty. I see no reason to even speak with the left, our goal is to defeat them, period.

This is the kind of shit he is talking about, you can just as well say you cannot debate with the right and shut down the whole thing, it's dishonesty and bullshit. You should feel ashamed.

Its not my fault the left's chickens have come home to roost. This is what you get, we will not cooperate, we will not compromise, no more talk its time the left was defeated and voted out of power, enough is enough.

We will not compromise.. Yeah, sounds like a typical right wing idiot.

^^^ The left they bad mouth and back stab, lie and demonize conservatives, well fine we hate your guts now isn't that what you wanted? lol

Only response I can give, I'm sorry, but why are you on a debate forum if you won't debate?

^^^ each insult is proof the left are exactly as I describe them. Sadly this is nothing new, this has been their MO for decades, its kind of boring anymore.

 

[Marxist]

This is the kind of shit he is talking about, you can just as well say you cannot debate with the right and shut down the whole thing, it's dishonesty and bullshit. You should feel ashamed.

Its not my fault the left's chickens have come home to roost. This is what you get, we will not cooperate, we will not compromise, no more talk its time the left was defeated and voted out of power, enough is enough.

We will not compromise.. Yeah, sounds like a typical right wing idiot.

^^^ The left they bad mouth and back stab, lie and demonize conservatives, well fine we hate your guts now isn't that what you wanted? lol

Only response I can give, I'm sorry, but why are you on a debate forum if you won't debate?

^^^ each insult is proof the left are exactly as I describe them. Sadly this is nothing new, this has been their MO for decades, its kind of boring anymore.

Conservatives don't insult? I'm sorry, but please.. quit embarrassing yourself.

 

[SAYIT]

I demonize exploitation and a horrid system that relies on systemic poverty

Not so. You seem to worship the very "horrid system that relies on (even demands) systemic poverty" ... Marist-Leninist-Maoist-Whateverist.
Ironically, half of America's top 10 wealthiest came from modest (even humble) beginnings and the other half are just 1 generation removed from same. How do you explain all that?

It literally relies on systemic poverty, and you need to research what MLM is, instead of spewing ignorant bullshit and failing to understand any context about former socialist states. Oh god, here we go with this shit.. That has nothing do with systemic poverty or the exploitation of workers.

So you can't explain any of that and simply hide behind your dogmatic silliness.

It's what you're doing, maybe you should check out my signature, it's all there so I don't have to bother responding with paragraphs every time someone repeats this bullshit.

Perhaps you should quit dodging the subject and deal with reality. Half of America's top 10 wealthiest came from modest (even humble) beginnings and the other half are just 1 generation removed from same. How does your Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Whateverist BS explain all that?

 

[danielpalos]

1. Liberal elites and their hand-wringing simpleton paracletes have been moaning about 'income inequality' in an attempt to convince those who function via envy and jealousy that they are VICTIMS!

The playbook never changes.

2. And as proof, they point to CEO salaries...and whine about how unfair the disparity is when compared to the 'average worker.'

"Report: CEOs Earn 331 Times As Much As Average Workers, 774 Times As Much As Minimum Wage Earners. With CEO compensation analysis season in full swing, the AFL-CIO released data this morning stating that American CEOs in 2013 earned an average of $11.7 million–an eye-popping 331 times the average worker's$35,293.Apr 15, 2014"
Report: CEOs Earn 331 Times As Much As Average ...
www.forbes.com/.../report-ceos-earn-331-times-as-much-as-average-...

a. Reading further, the report should give one pause:
"...the AFL-CIO released data this morning stating blah blah blah....."

3. "....this frequently cited AFL-CIO analysis of CEO pay is an example of “statistical bait-and-switch.” Or call it a “statistical canard” or a “statistical fallacy.” Here’s why:

The AFL-CIO is comparing: a) the average salary of a small sample (350) of the highest paid US CEOs, out of a total CEO population in 2013 of 248,760 CEOs, according to BLS data here, and b) the average worker pay for production and nonsupervisory workers, which represents only 8.5 million factory workers out of a total of 136.3 million payroll employees nationwide.

a. "...the AFL-CIO’s reported “CEO-to-worker pay ratio” of 331:1 is calculated by ignoring 99.9% of all US CEOs and 93.8% of all US workers.

b....more accurate description would be to call it a ratio of the pay for 350 of the highest-paid US CEOs to the pay of only 6.2% of the American labor force, or a ratio of an unrepresentative, infinitesimally small, and statistically insignificant group of CEOs to a small minority and unrepresentative group of US factory workers. It’s a completely bogus and meaningless comparison.

4. ....a more statistically valid comparison of CEO pay to average worker in the US pay by considering: a) theaverage annual pay of all US CEOs in every year from 2002 to 2013 (data here) and b) theaverage annual pay of all US workers in a comprehensive, national BLS dataset that includes workers in 22 major occupational groups, 94 minor occupational groups, 458 broad occupations, and 821 detailed occupations (132.6 million workers for 2013). Based on those data, the average CEO earned $178,400 last year, the average worker earned $46,440, and the “CEO-to-worker pay ratio” was 3.84:1,

5. ...the real CEO-to-worker pay ratio has not been increasing as is frequently reported, but instead has been remarkably constant over the last 12 years, averaging 3.8:1 in a tight range between a maximum of 3.89:1 in 2004 and a minimum of 3.69:1 in both 2005 and 2006.

6. In 2013, a full-time minimum wage worker earned $14,500, and therefore the CEO-to-minimum-wage-worker pay ratio was only 12.3:1 compared to the grossly inflated 774:1 ratio reported by the AFL-CIO."
When we consider all US CEOs and all US workers the CEO-to-worker pay ratio falls from 331 1 to below 4 1

Liberal and 'Liar" both begin with "L."
Coincidence?
Hardly.


So sorry that the above post involved numbers, facts, and logic.....

....which, of course, removes said content from the interests of Liberals, Progressives, and Democrats.

sold any used bridges, chic?

sounds like mere, special pleading.

 

[BluesLegend]

I demonize exploitation and a horrid system that relies on systemic poverty

Not so. You seem to worship the very "horrid system that relies on (even demands) systemic poverty" ... Marist-Leninist-Maoist-Whateverist.
Ironically, half of America's top 10 wealthiest came from modest (even humble) beginnings and the other half are just 1 generation removed from same. How do you explain all that?

It literally relies on systemic poverty, and you need to research what MLM is, instead of spewing ignorant bullshit and failing to understand any context about former socialist states. Oh god, here we go with this shit.. That has nothing do with systemic poverty or the exploitation of workers.

So you can't explain any of that and simply hide behind your dogmatic silliness.

It's what you're doing, maybe you should check out my signature, it's all there so I don't have to bother responding with paragraphs every time someone repeats this bullshit.

Perhaps you should quit dodging the subject and deal with reality. Half of America's top 10 wealthiest came from modest (even humble) beginnings and the other half are just 1 generation removed from same. How does your Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Whateverist BS explain all that?

Well that throws a monkey wrench into their rhetoric so they lie, twist, and distort the truth.

 

[BluesLegend]

Do you think we want more people on the dole? No. We want people to earn a living wage. We want them to have educational opportunities that don't involve them becoming indentured servants for the rest of their natural lives. We want them to have the tools to be productive.

At who's expense? Do you think money grows on trees? Do you think business has a bottomless chest of money you can dip into? Are you a cause and effect deniar where labor costs go up without any ill effects?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Really, want to debate me? You're a stupid, ignorant, partisan asshole. Pick a topic, and I'll debate you and prove what an ignorant moron you are

Your arguments are based on namecalling. In that respect, you'll have your backside swiftly kicked.

"stupid"

"ignorant"

"partisan"

"asshole"

"moron"

That's your playbook isn't it?

Only in your head.

 

[Agit8r]

Do you think we want more people on the dole? No. We want people to earn a living wage. We want them to have educational opportunities that don't involve them becoming indentured servants for the rest of their natural lives. We want them to have the tools to be productive.

At who's expense? Do you think money grows on trees? Do you think business has a bottomless chest of money you can dip into? Are you a cause and effect deniar where labor costs go up without any ill effects?

in constant dollars, the minimum wage has historically been over $9/hr in today's dollars. That isn't going to solve the problem, but its a start. As far as paying for educational opportunities, those can be paid for with tax reform. Closing loopholes and limiting refundable deductions would get us there. It's the teach a person to fish instead of giving the person a fish annually for years on end.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Really, want to debate me? You're a stupid, ignorant, partisan asshole. Pick a topic, and I'll debate you and prove what an ignorant moron you are

Your arguments are based on namecalling. In that respect, you'll have your backside swiftly kicked.

"stupid"

"ignorant"

"partisan"

"asshole"

"moron"

That's your playbook isn't it?

Only in your head.

Really? At least my head is full of something.

Anyway, if you want to prove your mettle, meet me in the ring.

 

[Flash]

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Well, you hit the talking points - now tell us oh wise one, what would likely be the cost-benefits and cost-deficits as well as the impact on unemployment in America?

You don't have a clue, do you?

The money is not lost to the economy when the people that earn spend it instead of the government, Mr Silly. You just cut out the waste, inefficiency and corruption that happens when some stupid bureaucrat (like Obama), elected by special interest, gets the money.

Stop giving welfare, subsidies, bailouts, entitlements and worthless pork projects and the money will be used to produce real market driven jobs that will increase employment not to mention having more money available for capital and business expansion.

These are things most people learn in Econ 101. You must have not ever taken a course in economics not to know those things.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Liberal elites and their hand-wringing simpleton paracletes have been moaning about 'income inequality' in an attempt to convince those who function via envy and jealousy that they are VICTIMS!

The playbook never changes.

2. And as proof, they point to CEO salaries...and whine about how unfair the disparity is when compared to the 'average worker.'

"Report: CEOs Earn 331 Times As Much As Average Workers, 774 Times As Much As Minimum Wage Earners. With CEO compensation analysis season in full swing, the AFL-CIO released data this morning stating that American CEOs in 2013 earned an average of $11.7 million–an eye-popping 331 times the average worker's$35,293.Apr 15, 2014"
Report: CEOs Earn 331 Times As Much As Average ...
www.forbes.com/.../report-ceos-earn-331-times-as-much-as-average-...

a. Reading further, the report should give one pause:
"...the AFL-CIO released data this morning stating blah blah blah....."

3. "....this frequently cited AFL-CIO analysis of CEO pay is an example of “statistical bait-and-switch.” Or call it a “statistical canard” or a “statistical fallacy.” Here’s why:

The AFL-CIO is comparing: a) the average salary of a small sample (350) of the highest paid US CEOs, out of a total CEO population in 2013 of 248,760 CEOs, according to BLS data here, and b) the average worker pay for production and nonsupervisory workers, which represents only 8.5 million factory workers out of a total of 136.3 million payroll employees nationwide.

a. "...the AFL-CIO’s reported “CEO-to-worker pay ratio” of 331:1 is calculated by ignoring 99.9% of all US CEOs and 93.8% of all US workers.

b....more accurate description would be to call it a ratio of the pay for 350 of the highest-paid US CEOs to the pay of only 6.2% of the American labor force, or a ratio of an unrepresentative, infinitesimally small, and statistically insignificant group of CEOs to a small minority and unrepresentative group of US factory workers. It’s a completely bogus and meaningless comparison.

4. ....a more statistically valid comparison of CEO pay to average worker in the US pay by considering: a) theaverage annual pay of all US CEOs in every year from 2002 to 2013 (data here) and b) theaverage annual pay of all US workers in a comprehensive, national BLS dataset that includes workers in 22 major occupational groups, 94 minor occupational groups, 458 broad occupations, and 821 detailed occupations (132.6 million workers for 2013). Based on those data, the average CEO earned $178,400 last year, the average worker earned $46,440, and the “CEO-to-worker pay ratio” was 3.84:1,

5. ...the real CEO-to-worker pay ratio has not been increasing as is frequently reported, but instead has been remarkably constant over the last 12 years, averaging 3.8:1 in a tight range between a maximum of 3.89:1 in 2004 and a minimum of 3.69:1 in both 2005 and 2006.

6. In 2013, a full-time minimum wage worker earned $14,500, and therefore the CEO-to-minimum-wage-worker pay ratio was only 12.3:1 compared to the grossly inflated 774:1 ratio reported by the AFL-CIO."
When we consider all US CEOs and all US workers the CEO-to-worker pay ratio falls from 331 1 to below 4 1

Liberal and 'Liar" both begin with "L."
Coincidence?
Hardly.


So sorry that the above post involved numbers, facts, and logic.....

....which, of course, removes said content from the interests of Liberals, Progressives, and Democrats.

sold any used bridges, chic?

sounds like mere, special pleading.

Clearly, this is the part that applies to you:

So sorry that the above post involved numbers, facts, and logic.....

....which, of course, removes said content from the interests of Liberals, Progressives, and Democrats.

 

[zeke]

Stop giving welfare, subsidies, bailouts, entitlements and worthless pork projects and the money will be used to produce real market driven jobs that will increase employment not to mention having more money available for capital and business expansion.

The government does not create jobs. Haven't you learned ANYTHING from your time on these message boards.

Seeing as how YOU must believe that the government does create jobs, how do they do that? Especially jobs for people who were on welfare or so old they receive government entitlements.

And why will the corporations of the country be so glad that they have lost their bailouts and subsidy money. Why will corporations support that idea?

 

[gipper]

Stop giving welfare, subsidies, bailouts, entitlements and worthless pork projects and the money will be used to produce real market driven jobs that will increase employment not to mention having more money available for capital and business expansion.

The government does not create jobs. Haven't you learned ANYTHING from your time on these message boards.

Seeing as how YOU must believe that the government does create jobs, how do they do that? Especially jobs for people who were on welfare or so old they receive government entitlements.

And why will the corporations of the country be so glad that they have lost their bailouts and subsidy money. Why will corporations support that idea?

Government should offer jobs to the 90 million plus working age Americans not working. Then we would instantly have full employment.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stop giving welfare, subsidies, bailouts, entitlements and worthless pork projects and the money will be used to produce real market driven jobs that will increase employment not to mention having more money available for capital and business expansion.

The government does not create jobs. Haven't you learned ANYTHING from your time on these message boards.

Seeing as how YOU must believe that the government does create jobs, how do they do that? Especially jobs for people who were on welfare or so old they receive government entitlements.

And why will the corporations of the country be so glad that they have lost their bailouts and subsidy money. Why will corporations support that idea?

Government should offer jobs to the 90 million plus working age Americans not working. Then we would instantly have full employment.

Uh oh.....careful here:

 

[SAYIT]

Do you think we want more people on the dole? No. We want people to earn a living wage. We want them to have educational opportunities that don't involve them becoming indentured servants for the rest of their natural lives. We want them to have the tools to be productive.

At who's expense? Do you think money grows on trees? Do you think business has a bottomless chest of money you can dip into? Are you a cause and effect deniar where labor costs go up without any ill effects?

in constant dollars, the minimum wage has historically been over $9/hr in today's dollars...

So what? There are only a few million MW earners and the majority are entry (lacking skills) level kids between 16 and 24 yrs of age. Anyone with marketable skills or a solid work ethic or a lick of sense is already getting more than MW. Natural labor market forces are causing many of our largest MW employers to raise their bottom wages well above the gov't mandated $7.25/hr. There is no need for Washington to meddle in that market.

U.S. jobless claims wages data point to tightening market Reuters

U.S. firms raising wages skills gap in goods producing sector survey Reuters

RPT-INSIGHT-Pay rises for low-wage US workers gain speed support recovery Reuters

 

[Marxist]

Do you think we want more people on the dole? No. We want people to earn a living wage. We want them to have educational opportunities that don't involve them becoming indentured servants for the rest of their natural lives. We want them to have the tools to be productive.

At who's expense? Do you think money grows on trees? Do you think business has a bottomless chest of money you can dip into? Are you a cause and effect deniar where labor costs go up without any ill effects?

in constant dollars, the minimum wage has historically been over $9/hr in today's dollars...

So what? There are only a few million MW earners and the majority are entry (lacking skills) level kids between 16 and 24 yrs of age. Anyone with marketable skills or a solid work ethic or a lick of sense is already getting more than MW. Natural labor market forces are causing many of our largest MW employers to raise their bottom wages well above the gov't mandated $7.25/hr. There is no need for the Washington to meddle in that market.

U.S. jobless claims wages data point to tightening market Reuters

U.S. firms raising wages skills gap in goods producing sector survey Reuters

RPT-INSIGHT-Pay rises for low-wage US workers gain speed support recovery Reuters

Yeah, that keeps out 7.35, 7.45.... Another loon sucking the corporate cocks.

 

[SAYIT]

Stop giving welfare, subsidies, bailouts, entitlements and worthless pork projects and the money will be used to produce real market driven jobs that will increase employment not to mention having more money available for capital and business expansion.

The government does not create jobs. Haven't you learned ANYTHING from your time on these message boards.

Seeing as how YOU must believe that the government does create jobs, how do they do that? Especially jobs for people who were on welfare or so old they receive government entitlements.

Evidently the Gipper not only believes the gov't creates jobs, he insists gov't should: "Government should offer jobs to the 90 million plus working age Americans not working. Then we would instantly have full employment."
See how easy that is?

 

[SAYIT]

Do you think we want more people on the dole? No. We want people to earn a living wage. We want them to have educational opportunities that don't involve them becoming indentured servants for the rest of their natural lives. We want them to have the tools to be productive.

At who's expense? Do you think money grows on trees? Do you think business has a bottomless chest of money you can dip into? Are you a cause and effect deniar where labor costs go up without any ill effects?

in constant dollars, the minimum wage has historically been over $9/hr in today's dollars...

So what? There are only a few million MW earners and the majority are entry (lacking skills) level kids between 16 and 24 yrs of age. Anyone with marketable skills or a solid work ethic or a lick of sense is already getting more than MW. Natural labor market forces are causing many of our largest MW employers to raise their bottom wages well above the gov't mandated $7.25/hr. There is no need for the Washington to meddle in that market.

U.S. jobless claims wages data point to tightening market Reuters

U.S. firms raising wages skills gap in goods producing sector survey Reuters

RPT-INSIGHT-Pay rises for low-wage US workers gain speed support recovery Reuters

Yeah, that keeps out 7.35, 7.45.... Another loon sucking the corporate cocks.

I was the corporate cock you so resent, Princess, and even in retirement I continue to reap the rewards.
The average wage of all U.S. cashiers was $11.22 an hour, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's Current Population Survey. Wal-Mart's average for hourly workers is $11.81/hr.
Should we insist they be decreased to MW?