Another case as to why I oppose the death penalty

[Yurt]

Man cleared of NYC murder after 25 years in prison

From the start, Fleming told authorities he had been in Orlando when a friend, Darryl "Black" Rush, was shot to death in Brooklyn early on Aug. 15, 1989. Authorities suggested the shooting was motivated by a dispute over money.

Fleming had plane tickets, videos and postcards from his trip, said his lawyers, Anthony Mayol and Taylor Koss. But prosecutors at the time suggested he could have made a quick round-trip plane jaunt to be in New York, and a woman testified that she had seen him shoot Rush. He was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison and was due to have his first parole hearing soon.

The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals.

Man cleared of NYC murder after 25 years in prison

this is without a doubt egregious prosecutorial misconduct. the DA who handled the case should be criminally charged. in fact, in any case like this the DA should be criminally charged.

 

[rightwinger]

The death penalty is barbaric

Most of the world has abandoned it

 

[martybegan]

Man cleared of NYC murder after 25 years in prison

From the start, Fleming told authorities he had been in Orlando when a friend, Darryl "Black" Rush, was shot to death in Brooklyn early on Aug. 15, 1989. Authorities suggested the shooting was motivated by a dispute over money.

Fleming had plane tickets, videos and postcards from his trip, said his lawyers, Anthony Mayol and Taylor Koss. But prosecutors at the time suggested he could have made a quick round-trip plane jaunt to be in New York, and a woman testified that she had seen him shoot Rush. He was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison and was due to have his first parole hearing soon.

The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals.

Man cleared of NYC murder after 25 years in prison

this is without a doubt egregious prosecutorial misconduct. the DA who handled the case should be criminally charged. in fact, in any case like this the DA should be criminally charged.

Playing devil's advocate, considering the amount of attention placed on DP cases, would this information have come to light sooner if he was on Death Row?

 

[martybegan]

The death penalty is barbaric

Most of the world has abandoned it

For some crimes life in prison is just not enough.

 

[Yurt]

Man cleared of NYC murder after 25 years in prison

From the start, Fleming told authorities he had been in Orlando when a friend, Darryl "Black" Rush, was shot to death in Brooklyn early on Aug. 15, 1989. Authorities suggested the shooting was motivated by a dispute over money.

Fleming had plane tickets, videos and postcards from his trip, said his lawyers, Anthony Mayol and Taylor Koss. But prosecutors at the time suggested he could have made a quick round-trip plane jaunt to be in New York, and a woman testified that she had seen him shoot Rush. He was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison and was due to have his first parole hearing soon.

The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals.

Man cleared of NYC murder after 25 years in prison

this is without a doubt egregious prosecutorial misconduct. the DA who handled the case should be criminally charged. in fact, in any case like this the DA should be criminally charged.

Playing devil's advocate, considering the amount of attention placed on DP cases, would this information have come to light sooner if he was on Death Row?

possibly. i don't know how they handled DP in NY back then. also, there have been numerous DP inmates exonerated.

 

[martybegan]

Man cleared of NYC murder after 25 years in prison

From the start, Fleming told authorities he had been in Orlando when a friend, Darryl "Black" Rush, was shot to death in Brooklyn early on Aug. 15, 1989. Authorities suggested the shooting was motivated by a dispute over money.

Fleming had plane tickets, videos and postcards from his trip, said his lawyers, Anthony Mayol and Taylor Koss. But prosecutors at the time suggested he could have made a quick round-trip plane jaunt to be in New York, and a woman testified that she had seen him shoot Rush. He was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison and was due to have his first parole hearing soon.

The eyewitness recanted her testimony soon after Fleming's 1990 conviction, saying she had lied so police would cut her loose for an unrelated arrest, but Fleming lost his appeals.

Man cleared of NYC murder after 25 years in prison

this is without a doubt egregious prosecutorial misconduct. the DA who handled the case should be criminally charged. in fact, in any case like this the DA should be criminally charged.

Playing devil's advocate, considering the amount of attention placed on DP cases, would this information have come to light sooner if he was on Death Row?

possibly. i don't know how they handled DP in NY back then. also, there have been numerous DP inmates exonerated.

And that is part of the process. Honestly is there really so much of a difference between taking someones life and taking 25 years of someones life in error?

Considering DP cases take at least 10 years to resolve, that is plenty of time to find any error.

 

[rightwinger]

The death penalty is barbaric

Most of the world has abandoned it

For some crimes life in prison is just not enough.

We demonstrate that murder is wrong by murdering people

Why would a society sink to killing people?

Lead by example

 

[Pennywise]

The death penalty is barbaric

Most of the world has abandoned it

For some crimes life in prison is just not enough.

We demonstrate that murder is wrong by murdering people

Why would a society sink to killing people?

Lead by example

Childish reasoning.

Justice is to be meted out, and some people do not deserve to live. Unless, as a society we are willing to treat prison as true penal colonies once again, and give out appropriate punishments and living conditions for the convicts.

 

[natstew]

The death penalty is barbaric

Most of the world has abandoned it

Murder is barbaric.

The problem as I see it is not the death penalty, it's the justice system. A trial should be to discover the truth, not to 'CONVICT' by the prosecutor and to 'GET OFF' by the defense lawyer.

Prosecutors convict people they know are innocent and defense lawyers get people off they know are guilty, i.e. Johnny Cochran.

The change needs to start at the beginning, in Law School. The curriculum needs to be totally reformed.

As it is, I have 0, that's a big ZEE E ARE OH, confidence in the U.S. Justice system.

 

[rightwinger]

For some crimes life in prison is just not enough.

We demonstrate that murder is wrong by murdering people

Why would a society sink to killing people?

Lead by example

Childish reasoning.

Justice is to be meted out, and some people do not deserve to live. Unless, as a society we are willing to treat prison as true penal colonies once again, and give out appropriate punishments and living conditions for the convicts.

We are judged as a society by how we treat our prisoners. We have a larger percent of our population in prison than anywhere in the world. The rest of the world considers us barbaric because along with China, N Korea, Pakistan and Muslim theocracies, we still execute prisoners

Our justice system is broken

 

[natstew]

Far more guilty people get off than innocent people get convicted, but that's no solace for an innocent person on death row.

 

[Pennywise]

We demonstrate that murder is wrong by murdering people

Why would a society sink to killing people?

Lead by example

Childish reasoning.

Justice is to be meted out, and some people do not deserve to live. Unless, as a society we are willing to treat prison as true penal colonies once again, and give out appropriate punishments and living conditions for the convicts.

We are judged as a society by how we treat our prisoners. We have a larger percent of our population in prison than anywhere in the world. The rest of the world considers us barbaric because along with China, N Korea, Pakistan and Muslim theocracies, we still execute prisoners

Our justice system is broken

I don't lose sleep worrying about what 'the world' thinks of the US.

One thing I really love is how convicts are given access to weight lifting equipment. It's a sign of our enlightened attitude that we allow them to bulk up like Mr Universe so when they get out they are ten times as lethal. So awesome.

 

[martybegan]

We demonstrate that murder is wrong by murdering people

Why would a society sink to killing people?

Lead by example

Childish reasoning.

Justice is to be meted out, and some people do not deserve to live. Unless, as a society we are willing to treat prison as true penal colonies once again, and give out appropriate punishments and living conditions for the convicts.

We are judged as a society by how we treat our prisoners. We have a larger percent of our population in prison than anywhere in the world. The rest of the world considers us barbaric because along with China, N Korea, Pakistan and Muslim theocracies, we still execute prisoners

Our justice system is broken

So lets release some of them and have them move in with you. Got an extra bedroom?

And how we treat out prisoners and the number of prisoners in unrelated.

 

[rightwinger]

Childish reasoning.

Justice is to be meted out, and some people do not deserve to live. Unless, as a society we are willing to treat prison as true penal colonies once again, and give out appropriate punishments and living conditions for the convicts.

We are judged as a society by how we treat our prisoners. We have a larger percent of our population in prison than anywhere in the world. The rest of the world considers us barbaric because along with China, N Korea, Pakistan and Muslim theocracies, we still execute prisoners

Our justice system is broken

I don't lose sleep worrying about what 'the world' thinks of the US.

One thing I really love is how convicts are given access to weight lifting equipment. It's a sign of our enlightened attitude that we allow them to bulk up like Mr Universe so when they get out they are ten times as lethal. So awesome.

Actually, most states have either abandoned the death penalty or use it rarely. It is only our god fearing Bible Belt states that still insist on killing. Even the companies that make the chemical used in executions are fefusing to sell it

Time for the US to enter the 21st century and start to lead by example

 

[rightwinger]

Childish reasoning.

Justice is to be meted out, and some people do not deserve to live. Unless, as a society we are willing to treat prison as true penal colonies once again, and give out appropriate punishments and living conditions for the convicts.

We are judged as a society by how we treat our prisoners. We have a larger percent of our population in prison than anywhere in the world. The rest of the world considers us barbaric because along with China, N Korea, Pakistan and Muslim theocracies, we still execute prisoners

Our justice system is broken

So lets release some of them and have them move in with you. Got an extra bedroom?

And how we treat out prisoners and the number of prisoners in unrelated.

Why should we release them? Give them life in prison like most civilized countries do

 

[martybegan]

We are judged as a society by how we treat our prisoners. We have a larger percent of our population in prison than anywhere in the world. The rest of the world considers us barbaric because along with China, N Korea, Pakistan and Muslim theocracies, we still execute prisoners

Our justice system is broken

So lets release some of them and have them move in with you. Got an extra bedroom?

And how we treat out prisoners and the number of prisoners in unrelated.

Why should we release them? Give them life in prison like most civilized countries do

You were complaining about us having the largest percentage of population in prison. A simple solution is to let them go. I'm sure your neighborhood would be perfect for that.

 

[Yurt]

Playing devil's advocate, considering the amount of attention placed on DP cases, would this information have come to light sooner if he was on Death Row?

possibly. i don't know how they handled DP in NY back then. also, there have been numerous DP inmates exonerated.

And that is part of the process. Honestly is there really so much of a difference between taking someones life and taking 25 years of someones life in error?

Considering DP cases take at least 10 years to resolve, that is plenty of time to find any error.

ask the guy in the OP or just read the story and see how happy he and his mother are that he has finally been released. i would dare say they would emphatically state there is a huge difference between DP and losing 25 years of your life behind bars. if he had been executed, there would be no joyful reunion and no further time to spend together, something they can now enjoy.

again, DP inmates have been exonerated, some posthumously.

 

[natstew]

We are judged as a society by how we treat our prisoners. We have a larger percent of our population in prison than anywhere in the world. The rest of the world considers us barbaric because along with China, N Korea, Pakistan and Muslim theocracies, we still execute prisoners

Our justice system is broken

So lets release some of them and have them move in with you. Got an extra bedroom?

And how we treat out prisoners and the number of prisoners in unrelated.

Why should we release them? Give them life in prison like most civilized countries do

Life in prison?? Then the Left Wing bleating heart Liberals whine about how they're being denied their 'human rights' and the prisons become Country Clubs with fences around them, Oh..........but many are already that..............j

A supervised drug overdose is not murder, it's mercy compared to what many of these animals do to their victims.

 

[martybegan]

possibly. i don't know how they handled DP in NY back then. also, there have been numerous DP inmates exonerated.

And that is part of the process. Honestly is there really so much of a difference between taking someones life and taking 25 years of someones life in error?

Considering DP cases take at least 10 years to resolve, that is plenty of time to find any error.

ask the guy in the OP or just read the story and see how happy he and his mother are that he has finally been released. i would dare say they would emphatically state there is a huge difference between DP and losing 25 years of your life behind bars. if he had been executed, there would be no joyful reunion and no further time to spend together, something they can now enjoy.

again, DP inmates have been exonerated, some posthumously.

When was the last one that was exonerated totally after execution? Are you going back to the 60's or 50's for that one?

 

[Yurt]

We are judged as a society by how we treat our prisoners. We have a larger percent of our population in prison than anywhere in the world. The rest of the world considers us barbaric because along with China, N Korea, Pakistan and Muslim theocracies, we still execute prisoners

Our justice system is broken

I don't lose sleep worrying about what 'the world' thinks of the US.

One thing I really love is how convicts are given access to weight lifting equipment. It's a sign of our enlightened attitude that we allow them to bulk up like Mr Universe so when they get out they are ten times as lethal. So awesome.

Actually, most states have either abandoned the death penalty or use it rarely. It is only our god fearing Bible Belt states that still insist on killing. Even the companies that make the chemical used in executions are fefusing to sell it

Time for the US to enter the 21st century and start to lead by example

why do you have to be so ignorant and turn this into a christian bashing thread?

CA, hardly bible thumping state, is the nation's number one DP executioner.