Anniversary of terrible tragedy in Odessa. Western authorities keep silent.

[ChrisL]

Really? How many Nazis do you know? I know a total of 0.

Me? 0 Chris

My Dad, quite a few via the battle of the budge ,rather nasty sorts i'm told

But then, that wasn't my point, was it?

~S~

What exactly IS your point? Do you have one?

 

[ChrisL]

The word Nazi, like the word racist, is thrown around with such reckless abandon, to use as a tool to shut down the opposition. Well guess what? It's not fucking working and NEVER will.

 

[Eugene]

well make no mistake , we do have and you are allowed to BE a nazi in America

They're just not allowed to practice genocide anymore....

~S~

You see, it's quite ok for Americans to express their ideology.

And your country provides nazism ideology in foreign affairs.
Remember Obama's speech "...we are exceptional nation..."
Hitler said "Deutchland uber alez", you say: "America first".

 

[ChrisL]

well make no mistake , we do have and you are allowed to BE a nazi in America

They're just not allowed to practice genocide anymore....

~S~

You see, it's quite ok for Americans to express their ideology.

And your country provides nazism ideology in foreign affairs.
Remember Obama's speech "...we are exceptional nation..."
Hitler said "Deutchland uber alez", you say: "America first".

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

 

[Eugene]

well make no mistake , we do have and you are allowed to BE a nazi in America

They're just not allowed to practice genocide anymore....

~S~

You see, it's quite ok for Americans to express their ideology.

And your country provides nazism ideology in foreign affairs.
Remember Obama's speech "...we are exceptional nation..."
Hitler said "Deutchland uber alez", you say: "America first".

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

Your way of thinking is sick.
Why cannot some nation live in respect to other nations?

If we take Russia as an example, we have more than 200 nations here each kept own traditions, languages, way of living, confessions. But you Americans killed original population of your continent, you Europeans eliminated all nations...few remained the strongest in middle ages. It was you who started confessional wars, who burnt people...scientists calling them witches or heretics. You, European "civilized" people used slavery and took everything you could from your colonies. You play with other countries' territories for several centuries...

And you try to say you are those the whole earth should believe and follow?
You must be cured. Your master ideology is cancer.

 

[Eugene]

[Q


Nazism is your American ideology.

LOL!

Tell that to my Dad and uncle who fought the real Nazis. Of course you can't ask my uncle because he gave his life fighting the Nazis at the Hurtgen Forrest.

MANY great and brave Americans lost their lives fighting the Nazis. The fact that these people would associate others with such is just as ridiculous as anything else on this message board. Most of these people would be walking around carrying signs about Nazis and babbling incoherently 20 years ago before they had the internet as a platform to spew their BS.

Many great Americans fought... but your authorities had bus6with Hitler until 1943.

And if we say about "many fought" try to remember who really won that war! And who lost more than anyone else...and who killed most germans, who won the most important battles...

 

[ChrisL]

well make no mistake , we do have and you are allowed to BE a nazi in America

They're just not allowed to practice genocide anymore....

~S~

You see, it's quite ok for Americans to express their ideology.

And your country provides nazism ideology in foreign affairs.
Remember Obama's speech "...we are exceptional nation..."
Hitler said "Deutchland uber alez", you say: "America first".

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

Your way of thinking is sick.
Why cannot some nation live in respect to other nations?

If we take Russia as an example, we have more than 200 nations here each kept own traditions, languages, way of living, confessions. But you Americans killed original population of your continent, you Europeans eliminated all nations...few remained the strongest in middle ages. It was you who started confessional wars, who burnt people...scientists calling them witches or heretics. You, European "civilized" people used slavery and took everything you could from your colonies. You play with other countries' territories for several centuries...

And you try to say you are those the whole earth should believe and follow?
You must be cured. Your master ideology is cancer.

You are the one calling US Nazis. Duh. You come to an American message board and start calling Americans Nazis and you expect to be treated nicely or with respect? Good Lord. You are not only a foreigner but you are also socially retarded.

 

[Eugene]

well make no mistake , we do have and you are allowed to BE a nazi in America

They're just not allowed to practice genocide anymore....

~S~

You see, it's quite ok for Americans to express their ideology.

And your country provides nazism ideology in foreign affairs.
Remember Obama's speech "...we are exceptional nation..."
Hitler said "Deutchland uber alez", you say: "America first".

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

Your way of thinking is sick.
Why cannot some nation live in respect to other nations?

If we take Russia as an example, we have more than 200 nations here each kept own traditions, languages, way of living, confessions. But you Americans killed original population of your continent, you Europeans eliminated all nations...few remained the strongest in middle ages. It was you who started confessional wars, who burnt people...scientists calling them witches or heretics. You, European "civilized" people used slavery and took everything you could from your colonies. You play with other countries' territories for several centuries...

And you try to say you are those the whole earth should believe and follow?
You must be cured. Your master ideology is cancer.

You are the one calling US Nazis. Duh. You come to an American message board and start calling Americans Nazis and you expect to be treated nicely or with respect? Good Lord. You are not only a foreigner but you are also socially retarded.

Americans are different and even facing to someone thinking oppositevely we may discuss. Such as you is insane...only insults, no discussion. You ignore my statements and proves... when you have nothing to answer you start insulting. Well known model of behavior.

 

[Camp]

well make no mistake , we do have and you are allowed to BE a nazi in America

They're just not allowed to practice genocide anymore....

~S~

You see, it's quite ok for Americans to express their ideology.

And your country provides nazism ideology in foreign affairs.
Remember Obama's speech "...we are exceptional nation..."
Hitler said "Deutchland uber alez", you say: "America first".

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

Your way of thinking is sick.
Why cannot some nation live in respect to other nations?

If we take Russia as an example, we have more than 200 nations here each kept own traditions, languages, way of living, confessions. But you Americans killed original population of your continent, you Europeans eliminated all nations...few remained the strongest in middle ages. It was you who started confessional wars, who burnt people...scientists calling them witches or heretics. You, European "civilized" people used slavery and took everything you could from your colonies. You play with other countries' territories for several centuries...

And you try to say you are those the whole earth should believe and follow?
You must be cured. Your master ideology is cancer.

You are the one calling US Nazis. Duh. You come to an American message board and start calling Americans Nazis and you expect to be treated nicely or with respect? Good Lord. You are not only a foreigner but you are also socially retarded.

Americans are different and even facing to someone thinking oppositevely we may discuss. Such as you is insane...only insults, no discussion. You ignore my statements and proves... when you have nothing to answer you start insulting. Well known model of behavior.

You are making so many misleading and false statements that you have no credibility. You are being insulted because you are insulting America with your lies.

 

[Eugene]

You see, it's quite ok for Americans to express their ideology.

And your country provides nazism ideology in foreign affairs.
Remember Obama's speech "...we are exceptional nation..."
Hitler said "Deutchland uber alez", you say: "America first".

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

Your way of thinking is sick.
Why cannot some nation live in respect to other nations?

If we take Russia as an example, we have more than 200 nations here each kept own traditions, languages, way of living, confessions. But you Americans killed original population of your continent, you Europeans eliminated all nations...few remained the strongest in middle ages. It was you who started confessional wars, who burnt people...scientists calling them witches or heretics. You, European "civilized" people used slavery and took everything you could from your colonies. You play with other countries' territories for several centuries...

And you try to say you are those the whole earth should believe and follow?
You must be cured. Your master ideology is cancer.

You are the one calling US Nazis. Duh. You come to an American message board and start calling Americans Nazis and you expect to be treated nicely or with respect? Good Lord. You are not only a foreigner but you are also socially retarded.

Americans are different and even facing to someone thinking oppositevely we may discuss. Such as you is insane...only insults, no discussion. You ignore my statements and proves... when you have nothing to answer you start insulting. Well known model of behavior.

You are making so many misleading and false statements that you have no credibility. You are being insulted because you are insulting America with your lies.

Which is misleading and false?

Coup in Ukraine organized by USA is false? Nazi government of Ukraine supported by USA is false?

"Deutchland uber alez" = "America first" is false?
"Exceptional nation" is false?

Killed Indians and most terrible slavery in humans' history is false?

Burnt by USA Middle East is false? Terrorists grown up by USA for fight against USSR is false?

Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and many others are all false...

Right! I simply insult holy america!

 

[irosie91]

USA is not controlling anything but they set the world on fire.

American officials said they spent more than 5 billions usd for "development of democracy in Ukraine".
All leaders of Maidan visited US embassy while making coup in 2014...

Ukraine and Russia is the same country, the same nation. They never had anything to conflict for. But there were nazists since ww2 financed by Brits and USA in 1950s. And they were organized in 1990s.
Very sneaky and smart activity of USA allowed Ukraine to be torn from Russia.

I live in a city with a large population of people who were born and raised in Russia and in the Ukraine- I have never met any Russian who wanted to be confused with a Ukrainian or vice versa.

But thanks again for sharing Putin's propaganda.

I have had the same experience. My history teacher in freshman year college----
(history was a freshman requirement) was UKRAINIAN -------thru and thru-----
He never mentioned "Russia" without scorn

Because a lot of nazists ran to USA, Canada and UK. And many of them were used by your secret services in anti Soviet activities in the USSR and abroad.

Nazism is your American ideology. Exceptional nation having right to do whatever they want while all others must obey and provide your wealth

My Ukrainian history teacher was a "NAZI"?--------uhm-----he would have
been a child during world war II. -------He did DESPISE Stalin. He was
OBSESSED with the genocide of the Kulaks. It is all he spoke about-----
but he also like Russian literature. He was the kind of Ukrainian---I think----
who would have liked to see an independent Ukraine (???) You are a
thoroughly propagandized Ruskie. The History Professor was also a kind of
HARDCORE patriot-----I think he did not like JFK (???)

 

[irosie91]

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

Your way of thinking is sick.
Why cannot some nation live in respect to other nations?

If we take Russia as an example, we have more than 200 nations here each kept own traditions, languages, way of living, confessions. But you Americans killed original population of your continent, you Europeans eliminated all nations...few remained the strongest in middle ages. It was you who started confessional wars, who burnt people...scientists calling them witches or heretics. You, European "civilized" people used slavery and took everything you could from your colonies. You play with other countries' territories for several centuries...

And you try to say you are those the whole earth should believe and follow?
You must be cured. Your master ideology is cancer.

You are the one calling US Nazis. Duh. You come to an American message board and start calling Americans Nazis and you expect to be treated nicely or with respect? Good Lord. You are not only a foreigner but you are also socially retarded.

Americans are different and even facing to someone thinking oppositevely we may discuss. Such as you is insane...only insults, no discussion. You ignore my statements and proves... when you have nothing to answer you start insulting. Well known model of behavior.

You are making so many misleading and false statements that you have no credibility. You are being insulted because you are insulting America with your lies.

Which is misleading and false?

Coup in Ukraine organized by USA is false? Nazi government of Ukraine supported by USA is false?

"Deutchland uber alez" = "America first" is false?
"Exceptional nation" is false?

Killed Indians and most terrible slavery in humans' history is false?

Burnt by USA Middle East is false? Terrorists grown up by USA for fight against USSR is false?

Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and many others are all false...

Right! I simply insult holy america!

yeah-----mostly false. Krushchev banging his shoe on the table in the UN----
screaming "SOVIET COMMUNISM UBER ALLES" is false?------Ivan
Denisovich is false? The genocide of the Kulaks is false? --------
"Terrorist fight against USSR" ????? where? Massive armamemt buildup
on Cuban soil ---FALSE?

 

[irosie91]

there is no question that when there is a wave of immigration----there is lots
of shit mixed in.

 

[irosie91]

The word Nazi, like the word racist, is thrown around with such reckless abandon, to use as a tool to shut down the opposition. Well guess what? It's not fucking working and NEVER will.

the same is true of the word "right" and "left" -------it is true that people should
use language with some degree of precision------but don't

 

[irosie91]

well make no mistake , we do have and you are allowed to BE a nazi in America

They're just not allowed to practice genocide anymore....

~S~

You see, it's quite ok for Americans to express their ideology.

And your country provides nazism ideology in foreign affairs.
Remember Obama's speech "...we are exceptional nation..."
Hitler said "Deutchland uber alez", you say: "America first".

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

Your way of thinking is sick.
Why cannot some nation live in respect to other nations?

If we take Russia as an example, we have more than 200 nations here each kept own traditions, languages, way of living, confessions. But you Americans killed original population of your continent, you Europeans eliminated all nations...few remained the strongest in middle ages. It was you who started confessional wars, who burnt people...scientists calling them witches or heretics. You, European "civilized" people used slavery and took everything you could from your colonies. You play with other countries' territories for several centuries...

And you try to say you are those the whole earth should believe and follow?
You must be cured. Your master ideology is cancer.

Eugene-----cut the BS------there are too many Russian immigrants to the USA----
(make that ESCAPEES) for your idiot words to have any meaning. I was born
in the USA-----as were my parents------but I have lots of RUSSIAN ESCAPEE
ANCESTRY

 

[Flash]

[Q


Nazism is your American ideology.

LOL!

Tell that to my Dad and uncle who fought the real Nazis. Of course you can't ask my uncle because he gave his life fighting the Nazis at the Hurtgen Forrest.

MANY great and brave Americans lost their lives fighting the Nazis. The fact that these people would associate others with such is just as ridiculous as anything else on this message board. Most of these people would be walking around carrying signs about Nazis and babbling incoherently 20 years ago before they had the internet as a platform to spew their BS.

Many great Americans fought... but your authorities had bus6with Hitler until 1943.

And if we say about "many fought" try to remember who really won that war! And who lost more than anyone else...and who killed most germans, who won the most important battles...

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Yea, we know the Soviets also fought, mostly with American supplied equipment. 300,000 Americans, including my uncle died fighting the Nazis.

My father was one of them and for an asshole like you to suggest that he was a Nazi because he came home and voted for Conservative American values and economics is absolute bat shit crazy.

 

[Camp]

So, you think your nation is a shit hole then? Thinking that your country is great is not the same as being a NAZI. Duh.

Your way of thinking is sick.
Why cannot some nation live in respect to other nations?

If we take Russia as an example, we have more than 200 nations here each kept own traditions, languages, way of living, confessions. But you Americans killed original population of your continent, you Europeans eliminated all nations...few remained the strongest in middle ages. It was you who started confessional wars, who burnt people...scientists calling them witches or heretics. You, European "civilized" people used slavery and took everything you could from your colonies. You play with other countries' territories for several centuries...

And you try to say you are those the whole earth should believe and follow?
You must be cured. Your master ideology is cancer.

You are the one calling US Nazis. Duh. You come to an American message board and start calling Americans Nazis and you expect to be treated nicely or with respect? Good Lord. You are not only a foreigner but you are also socially retarded.

Americans are different and even facing to someone thinking oppositevely we may discuss. Such as you is insane...only insults, no discussion. You ignore my statements and proves... when you have nothing to answer you start insulting. Well known model of behavior.

You are making so many misleading and false statements that you have no credibility. You are being insulted because you are insulting America with your lies.

Which is misleading and false?

Coup in Ukraine organized by USA is false? Nazi government of Ukraine supported by USA is false?

"Deutchland uber alez" = "America first" is false?
"Exceptional nation" is false?

Killed Indians and most terrible slavery in humans' history is false?

Burnt by USA Middle East is false? Terrorists grown up by USA for fight against USSR is false?

Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and many others are all false...

Right! I simply insult holy america!

All the things on your list are distorted or false.

 

[sparky]

Which is misleading and false?

I'll meet you 1/2 way ,and say they are debatable issues Eugene

Know that, perspective constitutes the lions share of any debate we may have

For example , we could discuss American Exceptionalism

I won't deny it exists , what may be of interest is why it exists

~S~

 

[Camp]

The tragedy in Odessa happened because the majority of the population feared Odessa would become like Luhansk and Donbass with Russian supported rebels recruited from gangsters, criminals and thugs interspersed with sheep dipped Russian soldiers and mercenaries. Sheep dipped is a term used to describe soldiers who are disguised as civilians or mercenaries. Putin admitted using them in Crimea and Southeastern Ukraine.
Cost of allowing rebels in Odessa would be destruction of infrastructure, thousands of citizens killed and maimed in crossfires, the total destruction of the economy and complete dependence on Russian handouts brought in by sporadic "convoys". This is what happened in Luhansk and Donbass.
People in Odessa were not having it. Russians go and get out of Ukraine if civil war is on your agenda was the message.

 

[Eugene]

The tragedy in Odessa happened because the majority of the population feared Odessa would become like Luhansk and Donbass with Russian supported rebels recruited from gangsters, criminals and...

Majority of Odessa's population was always pro Russian. They hate those who came from the western Ukraine calling them "roguls".

If you constructed your phrase that way try to explain why Donbass (Lugansk is part of Donbass) is in fire while Crimea is not.
My answer is because Russia protected Crimea.

So we can see that Ukrainian army came to Donbass and war began but Russian army came to Crimea and there is no war.
Why? Maybe because of population attitude?

As for Odessa, those killed were all citizens of Odessa while killers were delivered to Odessa by nazi organizations and armed by representatives of new Ukrainian government supported by USA.

Russian supported rebels recruited from gangsters, criminals and thugs interspersed with sheep dipped Russian soldiers and mercenaries. Sheep dipped is a term used to describe soldiers who are disguised as civilians or mercenaries. Putin admitted using them in Crimea and Southeastern Ukraine.

So you are stating it so seriously that all those who protect their land from nazists are gangsters and criminals?
There are absolutely different people fighting in both sides but the main difference is those who protect Donbass are forced to fight while those who attack them came from other western regions of Ukraine. A lot of stolen domestic goods was sent to their houses in western and central Ukraine and it is well known to all Ukraine as it was widely shown on their TV.
I do not deny that there are disguised Russian military consultants in Donbass and there exists some weapon supply channel but there is no Russian army unfortunately.

And Putin never said there are Russian soldiers in Donbass.

This is what happened in Luhansk and Donbass.

It is a real civil war in Donbass. People do not agree to admit new government who came after bloody coup.
So, nazi violated the law and took power in Ukraine, citizens of Donbass were not agree and they were threaten, arrested and killed, so they were forced to protect themselves.
In Odessa the same would happen, that is why the city now is full of nazists from western regions, full of army men and local people are afraid to express their opinion. I know it well as my father lives there.

And all those 4 years huge terrible anti Russian propaganda has been sounding from every device.

I see only 2 ways to solve this problem.
1. The one chosen by Putin: soft, working in legal sphere showing that Russia is right and is developing while west is lying and pro western regions are in poverty deeper and deeper. In about 10 years they will be back with us.
2. The one I prefer more - to enter army to Donbass, and protect those people with official presence. And kicking American asses in Syria so that they stopped interfering Ukraine. One sunk ship, 5 shot down jet will cool them down and peace will come to both Syria and Ukraine.