Anicius Manlius Severinus Boetheus: both reason and faith...

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    I have a habit of knocking faith and religion because of how people usually use them. Yet I have very little issue with the basic premise that faith can be used to explain reality.

    The weird thing is I found an interest in Boetheus and faith when reading, A Confederacy of Dunces.


    Reason and faith may both be equally valid ways of explaining reality, but unlike Boetheus I see others who may share this belief feeling a need to express themselves through faith in the face of adversity and evil.

    How far modern man has fallen from Boetheus. Backwards towards the middle ages.

    How many here or anywhere else have read Consolation of Philosophy, the most widely read and translated work after the Bible for a millennium?

     
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    okay, I hate neocons and liberals suck!!!


    there, that should get a response, after all we all know we are here to post on subjects that interest us and flames and silliness do not really interest us.


    lol
     
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    Stoic acceptance of fate has fallen from favor.

    Pure faith is mocked by those who imagine that their faith is founded upon logic and reason.

    No I have never read this guy's work.

    I'll put it on the list of books I should read if I ever stop wasting my time writing here.
     
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    I do not believe in absolute fate. If Fate runs everything, what point is there to living?

    We have Free Will and we have the ability to use it or not.

    As for reason. Of course REASON does not require religion. Especially man made churches.

    Reason IS. I do not need to even know a God Exists to reason.

    However religion can be a helping tool depending on what you are working on.
     
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    Stoic acceptance of fate has fallen from favor? Maybe, but was it ever in favor? I think it is situational and I have been stoic about my fate when faced with reality.

    Pure faith is so rare I have no idea how it could be mocked, and logic and reason are not really a form of faith.

    That one tome, has influenced most all us more than any other secular book any of us have ever read.

    There are better books to read on philosophy. I am no expert.
     
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    Boetheus' fate was in the context of being imprisoned for his beliefs. I remember the first time I was being detained (lasted months) and having a stoic acceptance to my fate. It made being a MP (took me out of training at the last minute) in training and being locked up easy if not nothing to struggle with.

    I am always fascinated by what people mean when they say we...humans, have free will.
     
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    Free will means no outside force dictates your life , as in fate. Obviously our choices are going to be dependent mostly on our circumstances. BUT we will always have choices.

    You chose to be stoic under the circumstance presented to you. No outside force made that choice for you. Believe me one does not have to be such even in jail.

    I want nothing more than to die. Yet I chose to take medication and see doctors that help me control that urge. I chose to mostly not act even when it was over powering to do so. I have a chemical imbalance of some kind that makes me just about permanently depressed. Have had it my whole life. Until 1994 I controlled it and accepted easily living and participating in life. I was a successful Marine GySgt ( something my Naval Doctor told me I should never have been able to do, according to her I should never have survived boot camp.)

    I chose by free will to live or die. I chose to get up every morning and participate to a small extent in life. Religion helps me at times with my choices. Sometimes though it feeds my problems too. There is no puppet master pulling my strings.

    My survival is partially dependent on my medications. But even that is by CHOICE. I do not have to take those medications. I do not have to go see my doctors every week.
     
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    the stoicism I spoke of comes from acceptance. Do not confuse that with weakness for it is my observation that the weak of will and mind and spirit often fight when acceptance is the better choice or is needed. This is because the weak cannot face things and lack critical thinking faculties. Survival is all, but at what cost? How we survive matters as much as how we live and choose to live.


    It has also been my observation that people who say they want to die really just want the pain (whatever that is) to stop. It is like smokers or drunks or drug addicts. They mostly do not want to kick the habit as much as they want the bad things that come with the habit to go away. That is why I think the failure rate for quitting and recovery is so high.

    When people truly want to quit, they quit, and having been around suicide both failed and successful, I can say people who want to die, die.

    I wonder what you are experiencing. I am of the opinion that depression breeds more depression and that certain forms of talk therapy only feed the beast without addressing the overriding issue

    Drugs? I did a few drug therapy regimens for mental/psychological reasons that came with an infection of the brain and another medical physical issue ---seizures of the temporal lobe. I viewed the regimens as a way to help me navigate the way back to 'normalcy' and that is what (some debate it) has happened.

    I feel chemical reactions in the brain can sometimes be manipulated or suppressed without drugs. I used drugs hoping it would give me the extra power in controlling the reactions and withdrew slowly: drugs used/viewed as training wheels.

    I know a few very depressed people and they depress me.

    good luck.



    See? I wonder if your naval doctor is just telling you what you want to hear? I wonder what other doctors would say?
    I mean NO disrespect at all.

    I did the whole psyche test routine, neurologists, etc. I even looked into OCD and manic depression at one time and got a few of the the docs I went to to admit they thought most of it was hooey. but...

    lol

    If you see a psychiatrist it is different than a therapist which is different than a psychologist, which is different than an analyst. (at least in these here parts)

    almost forgot lcsw...but I have an intense alergic reaction to social workers of any kind.



    you situation is not that unusual and neither is your treatment,.

    how old are you?
     
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    Another reason to despise Islam. Allah wills it, how fatalistic and hopeless can you get?
     
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    ahhh, but one can be stoic without being a fatalist?
     

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