An Ancient Palestinian Civilization? Where?

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    The so-called Palestinians claim to have an ancient civilization in historic Israel even preceding the Jews who have inhabited and ruled in Israel dating back 3000 years, however, such a Palestinian past is difficult to actually verify. In fact, it's impossible to do so based on a complete absence of an archaeological record of any Palestinian civilization.

    Pulitzer Prize-Winning writer Charles Krauthammer...
    Arab historians concede the point that Palestinians are a modern construct and say attempts to create a link to the past are ahistorical...

    Rashid Khalidi, Professor of Middle East history, Columbia University, professor of Middle East history and director of the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago, Advisor to Arab groups...
    So, too, does eminent Middle East historian and scholar Bernard Lewis say so-called Palestine and so-called Palestinians are a modern invention...

    Bernard Lewis...
    While there is zero archaeological evidence of a Palestinian civilization, has anyone conducted any excavations and discovered an alleged Palestinian civilization in Israel?
     
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    The palestinians wouldn't be lying would they? Say it is not so.
     
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    there were ancient civilizations all over the middle east-----the overwhelming majority are no longer extant The middle east has nice weather----once the primates stopped swinging from the trees---and walking upright-----the LIVING WAS EASY amongst the date palms and fig trees There was---LONG LONG LONG ago even a civilized people living in what is now saudi arabia -----civilization in saudi arabia came to an end 1400 years ago-----WITH THE EXCEPTION of a whole bunch of hindus who live there now------unfortunately with no power to INFLICT civilization on the presently BRUTALIZED population
     
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    I studied about Palestine, in one of the first books I encountered in my life, the Christian Bible.

    I do believe in that Bible, and I do not beleieve the Palestine of Jesus was a lie!

    Books about the Bible, you find pages and pages of maps of Palestine when Jesus lived there, there is no Israel, though!

    I say what is good enough for Jesus, a land called Palestine, well, that is certainly good enough for me!

    Of course, Palestine was spoken of long before that, by the first Historian, Herodotus, he did not mention an Israel either!

    Sherri
     
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    try again codger----- the only crude and vulgar piece of stinking crap on this thread is
    you go right ahead and promulgate your silly lies ----for the benefit of what
    ever filth is your creed or your background or your interests

    whatever you are ----you demonstrate daily ----that it stinks

    THE ONLY PALESTINIANS THAT EXISTED UNTIL THE
    1960s WERE JEWS LIVING IN PALESTINE---PALESTINE
    IS THE NAME USED BY ROMAN INVADERS INTO JEWISH
    JUDEA/ISRAEL FOR JUDEA/ISRAEL---STARTING A BIT
    MORE THAN 2000 YEARS AGO 65 YEARS AGO LOTS
    OF PEOPLE CALLED ISRAELIS ----WERE CALLED
    PALESTINIANS 65 YEARS AGO NONE OF THE
    PEOPLE CALLED PALESTINIANS TODAY----WERE
    CALLED PALESTINIANS BACK THEN
     
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    Who was the first king of 'Palestine'

    What were 'Palestines' borders?
     
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    JStone,

    I must disagree with your Torah of Jewish Nationalism version of History.

    Shlomo Sands (who has become referred to as the man that Zionists love to hate), wrote a book about how the Jewish people and the alleged ties to the land of Palestine are an invention, it is called The Invention of the Jewish People, and he is an Israeli Jewish Professor and Historian(one can even purchase a Kindle Edition of this book on Amazon, as I have).

    He discusses the claimed Exodus, in the 13th Century BC and how archaelogical evidence has uncovered no evidence it happened, ie no evidence of a people roaming the desert for 40 years.. A further problem, archaelogical discoveries have established Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land then, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time.

    He discusses there is no archaelogical evidence of the magnificent kingdoms of David and Solomon. Recent discoveries show two small kingdoms, Israel and Judah. The general population of Judah did not go into 6th century BC exile, only the political and intellectual elite were forced to settle into Babylon. The encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism. The exile of 70 AD, the so called cause of the diaspora, there is no evidence it happened. The Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. The population of Judea continued to live on their land, with the exception of those prisoners Romans enslaved, even after the destruction of the Second Temple. Some converted to Christianity, the majority embraced Islam in the 7th Century.

    You see where this is going, the Palestinian people, many of them are even descendants of Jews who lived in the land centuries before and converted to other religions, and they are descendants of many different peoples who had lived in the land for the past thousands of years, as well, Caaananites, Samaritans, etc.

    The diaspora was not the consequence of expulsion of Jews from Palestine, it was the consequence of proselytizing across north Africa, southern Europe, and the Middle East. Judaism was spread by missionaries through the Hellenistic world. What is Judaism today first emerged out of the universalist and monotheist ferment of Persia and was opposed to the exclusionist sect founded by Ezra and Nehemiah, with books like Isaiah and Ruth originally written as polemics against this sect. The height of Jeewish expansion was in the third century, long after the alleged exile and at the time of the completion of the Mishnah. Judaism remained an active proselytizing religion well after Christianity's rise, focusing itself on the periphery of the Christian world.

    Three separate Jewish kingdoms took hold, born of proselytizing, the Himyar of Yemen, the Kahina of Berber North Africa, and and the Khazaria, that extended at its height across the Russian steppe from Crimea to the Aral Sea. The rulers of the Khazar Empire converted to Judaism in 740 AD, and the fall of this kingdom did not occur until the internal sacking in the 10th Century and its last remnants were swept away by the Golden Horde.

    The Khazarian Jews were the ancestors of East European Jews, German Jewry largely descended from the the westward migration of Khazars into central Europe in the 10th and 11th centuries. (That presumably includes my own German ancestors, through my mother's father's side of the family, surname Schafer, who at some point converted to Catholicism and moved to the US in the early 1800s.)

    Look what the Torah of Jewish Nationalism is ignoring, a great pluralistic empire the size of India or Brazil that lasted four times longer than the Hasmonean Kingdom of less than a century (interesting, that Hasmonean Kingdom lasted about the same length of time the modern nation of Israel has been in existence). And it is this Khazarian Kingdom from which Ashkenazi Jews were descended.There is no genetic links to the people of Palestine, the Khazeria Kingdom became Jewish through conversion.

    Conclusion: The Palestinians, who have been ethnically clensed from Palestine since 1947 are the true indigenous peoples of Palestine.

    I am not making these comments to suggest Jews should be all kicked out of Palestine, but to respond to your meritless claims there are no Palestinians. The Palestinians are the people with the real and true ties to the land of Palestine, they were living in the land at the time the British Mandate was set up, and the modern day state of Israel has spent the last 70 years trying to ethnically cleanse the true indigenous peoples of the land of Palestine, from their homes and lands.

    You, a Zionist, your allegations that the indigenous Palestinain peoples have no claim to the land of Palestine, after Zionists have engaged in almost 70 years of ethnic cleansing in the land , do not ring true to me. And I reject them.




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    It wasn't called "Palestine" in Jesus' time, you fucking idiot.
     
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    Eh? Over half the Jews in Israel are Jews who are either from the Middle east, or descendants of, DNA test have shown that Jews, whether European or Middle Eastern have a common gene going back thousands of years, that no Muslim or Arab has. The Palestinians who started calling themseves Palestinians as of 1967 are recent Arab invaders from neighboring Arab lands. Their language, culture and DNA are identical to other Arabs from Jordan, Syria, or Egypt.

    In other words you can take your stupid ass Khazar theory from a Nazi website and SHOVE IT. Pig.
     
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