An America Without Unions

[Big Fitz]

He obviously doesn't know the definition of the word. If he did he would know that the Reagan union busting, the tax cuts, the debt increase were the beginning of that redistribution of wealth. When the top get breaks and money is borrowed from foreign banks to cover the shortfall the results are inevitable.

Ahhh the call of Thom Hartmann... it's all Reagan's fault.

Again. Economies are not zero sum games. Also, who are the major winners of redistributed wealth if you want to define it that way? Corporations in bed with government for legislative protectionism. Who's the biggest proponent of that lately? The Obama Admin through Jeffry Immelt.

No..........it's Reagan and the Bushes fault:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86 (Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43 (First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

You and pissychrissy have that crap on speed dial don't you?

How do you rationalize this out of the way? Inherited it I suspect?

CBO says Obama's latest budget would add $3.5 trillion in deficits through 2022 - The Hill's On The Money

And that's ONLY the spending in the 2013 budget they want! Not anything to do with the previous years also racking up a massive bill.

At what point are you guys going to admit Obama's record is one of abject failure and he has made a bad situation much much worse?

 

[Claudette]

Didn't know Wall St. had any Unions to get rid of.

As for car prices it seems to me that without the inflated union wages and legacy HC costs car prices would come down.

Just a natural thought.

 

[Big Fitz]

Didn't know Wall St. had any Unions to get rid of.

As for car prices it seems to me that without the inflated union wages and legacy HC costs car prices would come down.

Just a natural thought.

By about 10-25% depending on the company, poor management, greed of union and bailout money.

 

[Sallow]

Ahhh the call of Thom Hartmann... it's all Reagan's fault.

Again. Economies are not zero sum games. Also, who are the major winners of redistributed wealth if you want to define it that way? Corporations in bed with government for legislative protectionism. Who's the biggest proponent of that lately? The Obama Admin through Jeffry Immelt.

No..........it's Reagan and the Bushes fault:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86 (Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43 (First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

You and pissychrissy have that crap on speed dial don't you?

How do you rationalize this out of the way? Inherited it I suspect?

CBO says Obama's latest budget would add $3.5 trillion in deficits through 2022 - The Hill's On The Money

And that's ONLY the spending in the 2013 budget they want! Not anything to do with the previous years also racking up a massive bill.

At what point are you guys going to admit Obama's record is one of abject failure and he has made a bad situation much much worse?

You actually read these things?

CBO also compares Obama's budget to a different baseline in which the budget office assumes Congress and the administration decides to avoid big tax increases and deep spending cuts, something both branches have repeatedly done in the past.

Part of the spending cuts are in defense..which congress is loathe to partake in. Why? Because it means jobs..across the board for their districts.

So..if no one is going to compromise..yeah..that's what's going to happen.

 

[Sallow]

Didn't know Wall St. had any Unions to get rid of.

As for car prices it seems to me that without the inflated union wages and legacy HC costs car prices would come down.

Just a natural thought.

The NYSE got rid of a Union. They did so by heaping the same sorts of benefits on employees that Union members got. As soon as the last Union guy retired..hear that..RETIRED..the benefits started going away..and the wages stagnated. But CEO compensation? My last year there..the new CEO..who had 3 years under his belt..got more then 10 million. And that's with market share dropping and the NYX price collapsing.

 

[Big Fitz]

No..........it's Reagan and the Bushes fault:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86 (Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43 (First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

You and pissychrissy have that crap on speed dial don't you?

How do you rationalize this out of the way? Inherited it I suspect?

CBO says Obama's latest budget would add $3.5 trillion in deficits through 2022 - The Hill's On The Money

And that's ONLY the spending in the 2013 budget they want! Not anything to do with the previous years also racking up a massive bill.

At what point are you guys going to admit Obama's record is one of abject failure and he has made a bad situation much much worse?

You actually read these things?

CBO also compares Obama's budget to a different baseline in which the budget office assumes Congress and the administration decides to avoid big tax increases and deep spending cuts, something both branches have repeatedly done in the past.

Part of the spending cuts are in defense..which congress is loathe to partake in. Why? Because it means jobs..across the board for their districts.

So..if no one is going to compromise..yeah..that's what's going to happen.

hey, I just saw Paul Ryan's budget. I think it's a great idea.

Then again, I'm at the point of a 20% across the board, cuts to every government program in existence. that's not in the mandated increase, that's in gross total budget and eliminate the inflationary automatic increases forever.

But this is getting far afield of the thread issue.

 

[Sallow]

Didn't know Wall St. had any Unions to get rid of.

As for car prices it seems to me that without the inflated union wages and legacy HC costs car prices would come down.

Just a natural thought.

By about 10-25% depending on the company, poor management, greed of union and bailout money.

 

[Sallow]

You and pissychrissy have that crap on speed dial don't you?

How do you rationalize this out of the way? Inherited it I suspect?

CBO says Obama's latest budget would add $3.5 trillion in deficits through 2022 - The Hill's On The Money

And that's ONLY the spending in the 2013 budget they want! Not anything to do with the previous years also racking up a massive bill.

At what point are you guys going to admit Obama's record is one of abject failure and he has made a bad situation much much worse?

You actually read these things?

CBO also compares Obama's budget to a different baseline in which the budget office assumes Congress and the administration decides to avoid big tax increases and deep spending cuts, something both branches have repeatedly done in the past.

Part of the spending cuts are in defense..which congress is loathe to partake in. Why? Because it means jobs..across the board for their districts.

So..if no one is going to compromise..yeah..that's what's going to happen.

hey, I just saw Paul Ryan's budget. I think it's a great idea.

Then again, I'm at the point of a 20% across the board, cuts to every government program in existence. that's not in the mandated increase, that's in gross total budget and eliminate the inflationary automatic increases forever.

But this is getting far afield of the thread issue.

What's a great idea?

Ryan's budget increases defense spending.

 

[Cammmpbell]

No..........it's Reagan and the Bushes fault:

You're funny.

What was the debt 1-20-2009?
What is it now?

The government runs their fiscal year from Oct. 1 to the next Sept. 30. Bush's last budget ended Sept. 30, 2009. The first year of Obama's budget had to include $450,000,000,000 of interest on the existing debt. Subtract about $1,350,000,000,000 from the Obama debt and add it to the Reagan Bushes because the interest must be paid each year or we go into default.

You people were absent while the major portion of this debt was being created. Since neither party has ever cut a goddam dime of spending I kinda hope the Republicans win a majority in the senate. If they do they will be a majority in both houses and we'll see how far tax cuts go to correct this mess. That's all the damned Republicans have harped on since the late 1970's and let me inform you.....Trickle Down Didn't Work! It Trickled UP

 

[Uncensored2008]

people power is what runs this country

Power to the peep holes.....

 

[M14 Shooter]

No..........it's Reagan and the Bushes fault:

You're funny.

What was the debt 1-20-2009?
What is it now?

The government runs their fiscal year from Oct. 1 to the next Sept. 30. Bush's last budget ended Sept. 30, 2009.

Ok then....

If you're going to blame GWB for all of the debt up to 9-30-09, doesn't that also mean that you also give GWB the credit for the good effect of all of the spending up to that point, including the the Obama's increases in spending thru the various stimulus programs and bailouts? You know - the things that people like you claim saved the economy?

Nah - I didnt think so. Typical partisan bigot.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And Unions, just like Corporations, aren't people now, are they?

Unions, just like corporations, become destructive when they become monopolies.

Such as AFL/CIO, SEIU, NEA, Teamsters.......

Apply anti-trust laws to unions, just as they are applied to corporations.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Get the unions and corporations out of government with public financing of elections. Cheaper in the long run.

Besides, then the party can determine the winners without all that messy campaigning.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Made the middle class.

Hardly.

Unions made the blue collar class, based on automation - the great lever pullers of the past.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Exactly.

Corporations have no interest in paying fare wages or giving benefits. Left on their own they would have slaves. Like Apple does at Foxconn.

Why doesn't Asus, Abit or Intel have slaves? No unions involved with any of them, yet Taiwan pays pretty well.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The American middle class was made by FDR's new deal and Unions.

And the moon is made of green cheese.

You've got it all figured out, Shallow.

Before that? There were the very wealthy..and very poor.

Really?

So all those small share farmers were which?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Gee, how do the 85%+ of us that aren't in unions survive?

We're the rich oppressors, doncha know?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The American middle class was made by FDR's new deal and Unions.
Before that? There were the very wealthy..and very poor.

More unaduterated horseshit, spoon fed to, and then happily swallowed by, the left's Useful Idiot class.

 

[Cammmpbell]

You're funny.

What was the debt 1-20-2009?
What is it now?

The government runs their fiscal year from Oct. 1 to the next Sept. 30. Bush's last budget ended Sept. 30, 2009.

Ok then....

If you're going to blame GWB for all of the debt up to 9-30-09, doesn't that also mean that you also give GWB the credit for the good effect of all of the spending up to that point, including the the Obama's increases in spending thru the various stimulus programs and bailouts? You know - the things that people like you claim saved the economy?

Nah - I didnt think so. Typical partisan bigot.

It is what it is. I need to let you know that Bush financed his wars with emergency spending bills OFF BUDGET

The first time Obama asked congress for military funding he put it back ON BUDGET

You're talking about the very reason I left the Republican party. I voted Republican the first thirty years of my adult life. Voted for Goldwater, Nixon three times and even voted for Reagan in 1984. I wish I could take that one back but the Republican party used to stand for balanced budgets, small government and individual rights. Now they stand for corporations and the wealthy. I'll never vote for another Republican in a national election if I live to 100.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Much like how slavery was abolished without bloodshed in the rest of the world...

You realize that is completely not true at all, right? The British actually had to use Military Force and get their hands pretty bloody to end the slave trade on the world's oceans. Nearly every single country to abolish slavery only did so after numerous very bloody slave revolts.

In general, when people are oppressing other people, that situation can only be redressed by force. People do not easily give up power over others.