America’s Junk Weapons

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    Beautiful aircraft

    Doesn’t mean it was cost effective or practical in military applications
    Many proposed aircraft have not made it to production
     
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    The F-82, an interesting interim aircraft design.

    When the US realized the Soviets were making B-29 clones, they realized that their former ally now had a large heavy bomber of their own. So this strange aircraft (designed to escort bombers in the invasion of Japan) was retained after the war. And if a conflict ever started, they knew US bombers would need fighter escorts of their own. The development of jets was long and slow, and this fit the gap of a long range fighter until they could be fielded.

    These really were interesting. With a range of over 5,200 miles, these could fly from London to Moscow, linger for up to 30 minutes, then return without refueling. And both cockpits were fully functional, so the pilots could take turns controlling the aircraft to reduce fatigue.

    And their ordinance "off the shelf" was 6 .50 machine guns, with hardpoints for bombs and rockets. And it still holds many records for a production aircraft (which excludes those like the Rutan Voyager). It still holds the record for the longest unrefueled flight by a piston aircraft, as well as the only piston powered aircraft to fly from Hawaii to New York without landing (5,051 miles).
     
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    Spy satellites made the SR-71 obsolete.
     
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    mcnamara was an ass, and a fool. How he got his job I have no idea. He was the quintessential "bean counter" and bean counters cost us more lives in Vietnam than any other cause save the enemy themselves.
     
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    Not entirely. There are still missions where no other platform can do the same job as the SR-71.
     
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    The B-70 had a high "dash speed" but the SR-71's speed was a constant. It CRUISED at mach 3.17! Thus the Soviets had little time to acquire, track, and launch. They tried. No one knows how many thousands of missiles were fired at the SR-71s as they overflew the Soviet Union and China.
     
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    They aren't going to penetrate anything against near peer opponent. ..building B21 is even more waste.
     
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    What made the making of the B-2 so expensive was the learning curve to build it. Unlike the F-22 and the F-35, the B-2 is extremely hard to pick up with all bands of Radar and Heat sensors. They cut no corners.

    The B-21 is slightly smaller but the cost of the learning curve has already been paid for. The 2 billion per copy of the B-2 drops to right around 400 to 500 mil per copy for the B-21 and it can fly the same mission. Plus, the lessons learned from the F-35 also goes into it as well as the B-2. You have to understand,it isn't just the design of the stealth that makes the bird, it's also the tolerances. Right now, the only nation with the ability to do the tolerances to actually build a real Stealth AC is the United States. And that price was starting to be paid in the 1970s for the F-117 program and has continued. It peaked for the B-2, F-22 and the F-35. It's been paid in full. To the US, it's a mature technology but to the rest of the world, it's new. And it's price is staggering.
     
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    New radars are going to make stealth useless....not just Russians cracking it. War is speeding up. Need a long range ultra fast strike to roam Pacific for anti ship duty since your carrier strike is inadequate.
     
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    Maybe in 2035 but not today. As it stands today, China has about nil chance of hitting a carrier. Their spiffy new carrier killer missile has so many hoops it has to jump through it just won't make it. I saw the list of things it has to have perfect to make the hit. It was an impossible list. If even one failed the missile would fail. Science Fiction only works in Science Fiction.

    As for the Radar, unless they reinvent Radar, there are only so many bands of radar that can be used. A Fighter has only room to block or supress only X number of them. But a Bomber has the room to block or supress them all. The B-2 has a smaller cross section than even the F-22 has and the B-21 will have even a small on than that. Even in the low bands that can barely track the F-22 and F-35 but can't target them. As for IR, against the B-2 and the B-21, IR detectors are pretty well worthless. They started learning on the F-117 how to disapate the heat out the exhaust and the B-2 has little heat signature there. Like the B-2, the B-21, you will be defending with very short ranged radar and visual against it. This only works if you aren't it's target. If you are, you won't get the chance to defend at all.

    For the High Seas, the Carrier is still King. Over the Land, the USAF is the King. Your Propoganda doesn't change that. The US is the ONLY one that can invade if it wants either China or Russia if it absolutely has to without going nuclear. Neither Russia or China or even both together has a tinker chance in hell of doing the same to the US. As a Mel Brooks Character once said, "It's Good to be the King".
     

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